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iymus

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Why have you ignored all the verses of the Bible I just quoted?

Look at the original language; look up the words, Elohim and Echad.

God gives grace to the humble and resists the proud.
Only covering your first point once again. won't cover any others because chose not to.

The meaning of Deu 6:4 to "Eber/Hebrews" is Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Joh 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

The Father of Spirits is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth.

trinity doctrine of men / trinitatarian creed is not spirit and truth but boasting against the natural branches or foundational truth

Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
 

iymus

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Nothing that you posted contradicts the fact that Jesus is God.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
Joh 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
 

Butterflyyy

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Only covering your first point once again. won't cover any others because chose not to.

The meaning of Deu 6:4 to "Eber/Hebrews" is Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Joh 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

Rom 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

The Father of Spirits is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth.

trinity doctrine of men / trinitatarian creed is not spirit and truth but boasting against the natural branches or foundational truth

Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
You don't understand the Bible... I'm done here sorry.
 

Dino246

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Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
Joh 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
You can quote Scripture all day, and you will not convince me that Jesus is not God. I've done the homework. I know He is.
 

Dino246

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trinity doctrine of men / trinitatarian creed is not spirit and truth but boasting against the natural branches or foundational truth

Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Your interpretation is quite thoroughly incorrect. The "natural branches" are the physical descendants of Israel, not "foundational truth".
 

iymus

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Your interpretation is quite thoroughly incorrect. The "natural branches" are the physical descendants of Israel, not "foundational truth".
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

natural branches are the proper order. when it comes to the Covenant with The God of Abraham Israel is the proper order.

Boast not against the proper order

An instruction in righteousness is that we should cleave to the proper order in all things.

Rom 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 

Dino246

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2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

natural branches are the proper order. when it comes to the Covenant with The God of Abraham Israel is the proper order.

Boast not against the proper order

An instruction in righteousness is that we should cleave to the proper order in all things.

Rom 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Sidestepping the truth isn't going to get you closer to it. Allegorizing it won't either.
 

iymus

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Sidestepping the truth isn't going to get you closer to it. Allegorizing it won't either.
If the natural branches is not the natural order then please feel free to correct me.

Why are you sidestepping that

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

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when you ponder and study on the word and precepts you discern things in relation to universal concepts and life experiences whether good or bad.
 

Dino246

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If the natural branches is not the natural order then please feel free to correct me.

Why are you sidestepping that

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

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when you ponder and study on the word and precepts you discern things in relation to universal concepts and life experiences whether good or bad.
I already told you who the natural branches are. They aren't "the natural order".
 

JaumeJ

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Elohim is one of th etitles of ou Maker. Long befor Yahweh gave Moses thee title of Yahweh for calling upon Him, mankind had driftedd away from our Maker to worhsip only what they wanted to worship. They concocted didols made of metal and of wood and called each a mighty one or el. Elohim means mighty ones and used to refer to gods of any nature.

When those who remained with our Maker called upon HIm they alsoy called Him El, only plural, for somehow, I do not know how, they knew to call Him Elohim, and not simply El. Yeshua, Jesus, on the cross calle Him El, singualar, only with the siffix "i" attchaed makding it tos say My, ergo Mya God, My God He cried.

Mysstery? Yees! To be believed, Yes. We are made in Their image. "Come, let us make man in Our Image." And so in the faith gifted us we can believe until the mystery is revealed.

Those who place human and worldly knowledge may remain perplexed whil the faithful shout Halleluya!
 

Angela53510

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I find conjugating G-d and Christ helps in understanding their combined and separate existence in scriptures;.

G-d always existed...Christ did not.......G-d was not.
Christ gave His life on the cross to save all humanity...G-d did not.
Christ was born of an earthly virgin mother......G-d was not.
Christ arose from the dead....G-d did not.
Christ sent us the HS as The Comforter...G-d did not.
Christ ascended into Heaven...G-d did not.
G-d knows the date of Christs' 2nd advent....... Christ does not.

Another summary;



Conclusion;
G-d and Christ are one.
1, G-d always existed...Christ did not!
"So now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had in your presence before the world existed." John 17:5 Jesus always existed!

2. G-d created all...Christ did not.
"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:" Col 1:15-16
Jesus was the Creator of everything. Because he is God.

3. Christ was born of an earthly virgin mother......G-d was not.
"Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel." Isa 7:9
"The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”)." Matt 1:23

Immanuel literally means "God with us! In Biblical Hebrew.
"Im" = With
"El" = God
"Manu"= is - a poetic way of saying "us"! Therefore, the Son who was prophesied in Isa 7:9, and fulfilled in Matt 1:23, is God is with us! God the Son!

I could do more, but it is late. Suffice it to say, Preston has no knowledge of who God is! Or the Bible!
 

Absolutely

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If the natural branches is not the natural order then please feel free to correct me.

Why are you sidestepping that

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

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when you ponder and study on the word and precepts you discern things in relation to universal concepts and life experiences whether good or bad.
If the natural branches is not the natural order then please feel free to correct me.

Why are you sidestepping that

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

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when you ponder and study on the word and precepts you discern things in relation to universal concepts and life experiences whether good or bad.
The mark of a cult is the reframing of WHO JESUS IS.

You have been duped.

The bible is not a mental book
 

Absolutely

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Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Joh 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
Joh 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
You need to HONESTLY APPROACH what we believe.....not deflect
 

hornetguy

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I have not followed this whole thread... did iymus comment on John 1:1... ? Fairly easy to understand, even for those predisposed to NOT understand.