poll who thinks smoking cigarettes is a temptation of the devil ?

[Icedaisey]

Should Christians smoke? If our body is not our own but is a temple to house holy spirit God, what are we doing but contaminating that temple atmosphere with toxic pollution that will take the life God gave us.

Need motivation to quit smoking? Enter a Hospice that serves the needs of those dying of COPD, lung cancer, Emphysema.
That should do it.

 

[de-emerald]

Fascinating creations indeed. Same with Lobsters.

Another fascinating point about shellfish is the shells and that white "glue" like substance that we see when we're eating lobster, is very effective in the natural healing of arthritic joints. The properties are referred to as glucosamine sulfate and glucosamine hydrochloride.

Having personal experience with these properties I can tell you, it is not a surprise nature is God's medicine cabinet, though it is a wonderful testimony to share just how powerfully effective those particular properties of shellfish work.

And unlike synthetic pharmaceuticals, etc.... have none of their side effects.
Though it need be said those with shellfish allergies should abstain from their use.

thanks ill look into that lol. my doctor told me i will more than likely get arthritic joints, not looking forward to that one, but who knows i may have found a mirracle cure in advance,, ive never tried lobster tho.

 

[de-emerald]

Let's discuss this context rather than some hypothetical one. In this context, it was not a condemnation.

I did not say you are toxic and hypocritical; I called your actions toxic and hypocritical. If you can't distinguish between yourself and your actions, then you need help.

well again if the shoe fits, wear it.

but seariously i know you will have the last word as you aways do and i will let you have it again, as i know you will not back down, your comments will gets more snidey and hiden with more sneeky insults. and you will never admit that you are being insultive, which is why you need help my friend, because you dont know how far gone you are with a hardened heart,

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Titus 1:15 niv uk

15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.



Titus 1:15 living bible



15 A person who is pure of heart sees goodness and purity in everything; but a person whose own heart is evil and untrusting finds evil in everything, for his dirty mind and rebellious heart color all he sees and hears. 16 Such persons claim they know God, but from seeing the way they act, one knows they don’t. They are rotten and disobedient, worthless so far as doing anything good is concerned.



Ok, as we can see from both verses, the heart that is corrupted is also the heart that has been defiled. The heart that is defiled is not pure. But here we see in these two scriptures no mention whatsoever of the real culprit who defiles the heart. (the devil and his demons), As we see also from these passages above its so easy to call a person evil or rotten or worthless, and not notice a person behaving this way has a demon. And for the smoker, he wouldn't know the devil wants him to defile his heart with cigarette smoke.

There's more to this verse than meets the eye. The heart that is unpure is also the heart that has become rotten. From defiling the body with nicotine smoke. From the above passage living bible we see that the devil loves a defiled heart or defiled temple (body) because then the worthless works can flourish with disobedience.



Blessed is the pure heart, who remembers that scripture ? Shall i have faith in my next cigarette, or shall I have faith in Jesus and keep my heart clean? ?



The Roman Catholic Church does not condemn smoking per se, but considers excessive smoking to be sinful, as described in the Catechism (CCC 2290): The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine.



Here is a real eye-opener. The roman Catholic Church is saying it's all right to smoke cigarettes in moderation.
But says excessive smoking is sinful. What a joke... it looks like Satan well and truly runs our world.

Ok, so anything that controls your mood is not Good, because we need to use our own self-control to overcome mood swings. And much more.

“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we want to have a pure heart we have to seek the gospel and rid our hearts of thkngs like love of money , greed, self righteousness , pride , lustful intentions and fantasy, grudge bearing , judgement and condemnation of others ect

cigarette smoking has to do with the flesh it’s a terrible habit and destructive to the body there’s no doubt about that , but I don’t think it is about having an impure and demonically possessed heart

the gospel is about purifying our heart before God thkngs like greed unforgiveness pride , self exaltation , lust ect are the focus of the heart selfishness is our enemy and defiles the heart

 

[de-emerald]

“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we want to have a pure heart we have to seek the gospel and rid our hearts of thkngs like love of money , greed, self righteousness , pride , lustful intentions and fantasy, grudge bearing , judgement and condemnation of others ect

cigarette smoking has to do with the flesh it’s a terrible habit and destructive to the body there’s no doubt about that , but I don’t think it is about having an impure and demonically possessed heart

the gospel is about purifying our heart before God thkngs like greed unforgiveness pride , self exaltation , lust ect are the focus of the heart selfishness is our enemy and defiles the heart

to defile your body means this also.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

to defile your body means this also.

yep I agree smoking is terrible for the body all I was saying was I don’t think it’s a demonic possession and isn’t addressed in the gospel as having any effect of defiling or purifying the heart

but again in no way advocating smoking cigarettes or any other substance the lungs aren’t meant for smoke but clean oxygen

I’m just not thinking it’s a spiritual defect or demonic possession but that’s just one persons opinion

 

[de-emerald]

yep I agree smoking is terrible for the body all I was saying was I don’t think it’s a demonic possession and isn’t addressed in the gospel as having any effect of defiling or purifying the heart

but again in no way advocating smoking cigarettes or any other substance the lungs aren’t meant for smoke but clean oxygen

I’m just not thinking it’s a spiritual defect or demonic possession but that’s just one persons opinion

I dont think smoking has anything to do with denomic possession is just not Good enough friend you should know for sure on this matter not think, i would advice you to read post 30,, its very real my friend happening all over the world, I know the devil inside out friend i have been possessed by him.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I dont think smoking has anything to do with denomic possession is just not Good enough friend you should know for sure on this matter not think, i would advice you to read post 30,, its very real my friend happening all over the world, I know the devil inside out friend i have been possessed by him.

lol I was just responding to your op and it’s obviously good enough for me. Smoking cigarettes is a physical addiction some people fall into. Some kids start at 13 or fourteen and become addicted physically is my point

if it’s about spiritual thkngs it’s going to be addressed in the gospel. But again I didn’t post to argue with you just was stating something sort of obvious. Getting people to smoke a cigarette isn’t what Satan is doing in the world, rather he is trying to turn hearts away from the truth of the gospel which I’m not sure has anything to do with whether someone smoked a cigarette or seems to have more to do with what’s there like

loving money d being greedy towards others in need , lusting in our minds and hearts , holding grudges and judging and condemning people just the many subjects Jesus approaches and began to explain

anyways I do agree that smoking is a bad habit I just don’t see the devil and his angels offering packs of marlboros to people to destroy thier souls I think he’s working in the thkngs jeuss taught us about

 

[de-emerald]

lol I was just responding to your op and it’s obviously good enough for me. Smoking cigarettes is a physical addiction some people fall into. Some kids start at 13 or fourteen and become addicted physically is my point

if it’s about spiritual thkngs it’s going to be addressed in the gospel. But again I didn’t post to argue with you just was stating something sort of obvious. Getting people to smoke a cigarette isn’t what Satan is doing in the world, rather he is trying to turn hearts away from the truth of the gospel which I’m not sure has anything to do with whether someone smoked a cigarette or seems to have more to do with what’s there like

loving money d being greedy towards others in need , lusting in our minds and hearts , holding grudges and judging and condemning people just the many subjects Jesus approaches and began to explain

anyways I do agree that smoking is a bad habit I just don’t see the devil and his angels offering packs of marlboros to people to destroy thier souls I think he’s working in the thkngs jeuss taught us about

Nope i wasnt arguing with you brother its ok, i was on another thread typing when you posted, but thanks for posting, but yes i understand what your saying, but like i said its not just the sinner who defiles his own body with sins you metioned, its the temptataion of the devil also. you can lust over a cigarette if your gasping and craving for one. and this sin is worse because your actualy lusting to defile your body, the devil loves that, and yes much easy if the devil is possessing you, as he wants to make sure you die of bad health and suffer.. where at war you know,, and the devil wants to destroy humanity. and Gods children

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Nope i wasnt arguing with you brother its ok, i was on another thread typing when you posted, but thanks for posting, but yes i understand what your saying, but like i said its not just the sinner who defiles his own body with sins you metioned, its the temptataion of the devil also. you can lust over a cigarette if your gasping and craving for one. and this sin is worse because your actualy lusting to defile your body, the devil loves that, and yes much easy if the devil is possessing you, as he wants to make sure you die of bad health and suffer.. where at war you know,, and the devil wants to destroy humanity. and Gods children

yep it’s definately the devil who tempts us and leads us astray but only if we allow him to do it now that we have access to Christ and his glory

 

[de-emerald]

yep it’s definately the devil who tempts us and leads us astray but only if we allow him to do it now that we have access to Christ and his glory

where at war his object is to go unoticed to let him and we do until we learn his trickery which a lot dont and allow him to lead them astray,, albeit unknowingly for most part. honestly the world is decieved under his trickery

 

[Pilgrimshope]

where at war his object is to go unoticed to let him and we do until we learn his trickery which a lot dont and allow him to lead them astray,, albeit unknowingly for most part. honestly the world is decieved under his trickery

indeed that’s the whole point of us coming to the truth and believing the gospel exposes the enemy for what he is and his scheme for what it is reveals the spiritual warfare we’re engaged in

“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:24-26‬ ‭

mostly Christians when we realize what’s going on are going to repent from serving the enemies will it’s when we don’t hear and believe the truth that causes us problems because we don’t realize we are on his snare and he’s leading us to his place of eternity where we don’t want to go

 

[Aaron56]

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SNIP

I used to think like you. But then I was baptized with the Holy Spirit and with power. That was years ago.

I know those thoughts and the way a religious mind thinks; I know you believe you have the fear of the Lord when it is really the fear of the enemy.

When you see your own desperation and isolation, call on the name of the Lord and He will answer you. Until then, He will keep you in a box to limit your influence. It's for your own benefit: you will have less to repent of after your eyes are opened.

Nevertheless, I wish you well.

Aaron56

 

[pottersclay]

Titus 1:15 niv uk

15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.



Titus 1:15 living bible



15 A person who is pure of heart sees goodness and purity in everything; but a person whose own heart is evil and untrusting finds evil in everything, for his dirty mind and rebellious heart color all he sees and hears. 16 Such persons claim they know God, but from seeing the way they act, one knows they don’t. They are rotten and disobedient, worthless so far as doing anything good is concerned.



Ok, as we can see from both verses, the heart that is corrupted is also the heart that has been defiled. The heart that is defiled is not pure. But here we see in these two scriptures no mention whatsoever of the real culprit who defiles the heart. (the devil and his demons), As we see also from these passages above its so easy to call a person evil or rotten or worthless, and not notice a person behaving this way has a demon. And for the smoker, he wouldn't know the devil wants him to defile his heart with cigarette smoke.

There's more to this verse than meets the eye. The heart that is unpure is also the heart that has become rotten. From defiling the body with nicotine smoke. From the above passage living bible we see that the devil loves a defiled heart or defiled temple (body) because then the worthless works can flourish with disobedience.



Blessed is the pure heart, who remembers that scripture ? Shall i have faith in my next cigarette, or shall I have faith in Jesus and keep my heart clean? ?



The Roman Catholic Church does not condemn smoking per se, but considers excessive smoking to be sinful, as described in the Catechism (CCC 2290): The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine.



Here is a real eye-opener. The roman Catholic Church is saying it's all right to smoke cigarettes in moderation.
But says excessive smoking is sinful. What a joke... it looks like Satan well and truly runs our world.

Ok, so anything that controls your mood is not Good, because we need to use our own self-control to overcome mood swings. And much more.

 

[pottersclay]

Titus 1:15 niv uk

15 To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.



Titus 1:15 living bible



15 A person who is pure of heart sees goodness and purity in everything; but a person whose own heart is evil and untrusting finds evil in everything, for his dirty mind and rebellious heart color all he sees and hears. 16 Such persons claim they know God, but from seeing the way they act, one knows they don’t. They are rotten and disobedient, worthless so far as doing anything good is concerned.



Ok, as we can see from both verses, the heart that is corrupted is also the heart that has been defiled. The heart that is defiled is not pure. But here we see in these two scriptures no mention whatsoever of the real culprit who defiles the heart. (the devil and his demons), As we see also from these passages above its so easy to call a person evil or rotten or worthless, and not notice a person behaving this way has a demon. And for the smoker, he wouldn't know the devil wants him to defile his heart with cigarette smoke.

There's more to this verse than meets the eye. The heart that is unpure is also the heart that has become rotten. From defiling the body with nicotine smoke. From the above passage living bible we see that the devil loves a defiled heart or defiled temple (body) because then the worthless works can flourish with disobedience.



Blessed is the pure heart, who remembers that scripture ? Shall i have faith in my next cigarette, or shall I have faith in Jesus and keep my heart clean? ?



The Roman Catholic Church does not condemn smoking per se, but considers excessive smoking to be sinful, as described in the Catechism (CCC 2290): The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine.



Here is a real eye-opener. The roman Catholic Church is saying it's all right to smoke cigarettes in moderation.
But says excessive smoking is sinful. What a joke... it looks like Satan well and truly runs our world.

Ok, so anything that controls your mood is not Good, because we need to use our own self-control to overcome mood swings. And much more.

I have to admit I smoke...but I've also eaten with dirty hands...which is more offensive?

 

[de-emerald]

I used to think like you. But then I was baptized with the Holy Spirit and with power. That was years ago.

I know those thoughts and the way a religious mind thinks; I know you believe you have the fear of the Lord when it is really the fear of the enemy.

When you see your own desperation and isolation, call on the name of the Lord and He will answer you. Until then, He will keep you in a box to limit your influence. It's for your own benefit: you will have less to repent of after your eyes are opened.

Nevertheless, I wish you well.

Aaron56

Thankyou for the well wishes, most kind of you. I have to say tho, the amount of times i have herd your advice from people who really are not fully wise, to all the ways of our devil, who by the way is highly religious, in the sence he knows how to be all holy whilst leading you into a religious argument, is outstanding, also the amount of people i have come across who are totaly blind to the truth is high to, over and over again i see satan get away with so much and people who have the truth and so much to offer get the door slammed in there face like me, Its oustanding the amount of time the wisdom the truth and the knowledge i have about satan is just shut away by people. with i wish you well but your not making much sence or your eyes are closed or your way to religious or your mentally ill. or your crazy. or your a hiporcrit, Satan really is well and truly defended, But i wont be disheartened, one day the lord will provail in winning the battle with ease. I can see that so many people will just be lead astray for ever and in this very forum to sadly. all tho i will pray for your blindness to and all others who have took part who are very blind too, i can see its really going to be hard for people to keep your there open with what im hearing...and satan will destroy another life befor there eyes, and they wont know

So many good people are leading people astray and it comes from the great deciever being holy inside a person head. im so worried for the future of humanity...... anyhow i wish you well...

Really the the blind will lead the blind i really am at a loss, that not one single christian knows what i know. im so upset its unbelievable.

 

[Aaron56]

Thankyou for the well wishes, most kind of you. I have to say tho, the amount of times i have herd your advice from people who really are not fully wise, to all the ways of our devil, who by the way is highly religious, in the sence he knows how to be all holy whilst leading you into a religious argument, is outstanding, also the amount of people i have come across who are totaly blind to the truth is high to, over and over again i see satan get away with so much and people who have the truth and so much to offer get the door slammed in there face like me, Its oustanding the amount of time the wisdom the truth and the knowledge i have about satan is just shut away by people. with i wish you well but your not making much sence or your eyes are closed or your way to religious or your mentally ill. or your crazy. or your a hiporcrit, Satan really is well and truly defended, But i wont be disheartened, one day the lord will provail in winning the battle with ease. I can see that so many people will just be lead astray for ever and in this very forum to sadly. all tho i will pray for your blindness to and all others who have took part who are very blind too, i can see its really going to be hard for people to keep your there open with what im hearing...and satan will destroy another life befor there eyes, and they wont know

So many good people are leading people astray and it comes from the great deciever being holy inside a person head. im so worried for the future of humanity...... anyhow i wish you well...

Really the the blind will lead the blind i really am at a loss, that not one single christian knows what i know. im so upset its unbelievable.

I get it. I really do. There is an anesthetic quality about the trite sayings and practices of religion. Instead of being still, people feel obligated to do things for God… this is a relic from the Roman gods whereby acts of service would stay their hand of destruction. This was the carnality that Paul warned against: not sin but immaturity, always focused on the flesh. One only has to peruse the conspiracy forum to know carnality is alive and nurtured within the institutional church.

 

[de-emerald]

I have to admit I smoke...but I've also eaten with dirty hands...which is more offensive?

Well this thread was about temptation. so your temptation is valid but not right. but really im so upset here just one disreguard after the next for the truth. im actually crying with upset at the moment. really the devil has got a hold of so many people here. and so many people will die today and be stolen also... and so many people will be lost in pain and grief.

 

[de-emerald]

I get it. I really do. There is an anesthetic quality about the trite sayings and practices of religion. Instead of being still, people feel obligated to do things for God… this is a relic from the Roman gods whereby acts of service would stay their hand of destruction. This was the carnality that Paul warned against: not sin but immaturity, always focused on the flesh. One only has to peruse the conspiracy forum to know carnality is alive and nurtured within the institutional church.

I think people analyze people thoughts and mistake and don't know the devil can also play the good Samaritan and trick their thoughts, The devil is smart. I would say the amount of people that get psychology of the devil without realizing it is quite high, Your psychology and mind analyzing, is typical of the devils' psychology also in this case. It's the classic I care approach followed by once again the truth being lost. or the other way round to is ill lose the truth followed by i care.

First the idea comes into your head i must do something , and I'm obliged and obligated to help God. Which is and can be seen as a good thing in the mind of whom ever thinks it. Then what can follow is Goodness only like actively running a missionary. Or in some case a religious argument can follow, Which one do you think you have Just fallen into ?

You have just fallen into the religious argument. The devil came along planted a good seed followed by a bad seed, and you never saw it.. Just like our friend before @pottersclay. When he said eating your food with dirty hands is more offensive than smoking. He never saw the devil either. But that really is another temptation just like your temptation too. And in your previous post there was a temptation too. I don't think you saw that either.. Regarding an evil mind and a religious mind, The question i ask you is, do you think the two can work together ? For both Good and evil.

 

[de-emerald]

indeed that’s the whole point of us coming to the truth and believing the gospel exposes the enemy for what he is and his scheme for what it is reveals the spiritual warfare we’re engaged in

“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:24-26‬ ‭

mostly Christians when we realize what’s going on are going to repent from serving the enemies will it’s when we don’t hear and believe the truth that causes us problems because we don’t realize we are on his snare and he’s leading us to his place of eternity where we don’t want to go

Good post and good points, the devil would say you have to be cruel to be kind, and some would say yes you do. But who would say that, really ? Would God say that. well here we go again, Some would agree you have to be cruel to be kind. But are you being cruel if you take a packet of cigarettes of your child ?,, now on the other hand, if i took a packet of cigarettes of an a man under a new law of the land, he would no doubt call me Adolf Hitler.

IF I then said IM being cruel to be kind, he would call me the devil. so lets look at it the other way. If I came along and asked kindly please sir that man is dying, and he wants his last cigarettes could you give him your last cigarettes,, he would say no problem.. The smoker is a kind person to really,, but however he's actually being kind to be cruel. Because the last cigarette will finish the dying man of... what he actually needs is oxygen and his heart pumping..

So your last point which ill reverse here,,, knowing that we are in the devil snare is also not a good thing by merit its knowing all the time when he comes to strike again. That's the great thing and i do think it can be achieved, if we beat addiction the will power inside us is strong and good enough to let us know in advance and see the devil coming..