poll who thinks smoking cigarettes is a temptation of the devil ?

[de-emerald]

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Whilst out walking yesterday I saw this long boat on the river, with the hatch open, UMM i thought, it was very quiet, being inquisitive i looked into the boat, and wondered how come the door was open. So i shouted HELLO, no answer, So i shouted HELLO AGAIN still no answer,,

So i was just about to get into the boat when all of a sudden i heard a loud shout which was DONT COME IN HERE, IM ON THE SHITER (toilet) and the fumes are bad. i shouted OK SORRY OK.

So i stepped off the boat and then half a minute later this old guy of about 70 with a big long white beard came out who was now rather grumpy. He looked at me sternly. I said sorry sir I was a bit worried. He noticed I could smell the fumes coming out of the boat which were not too pleasant.

He said well i did warn you,, I said this is one of those days when i shouldn't have packed in smoking.. He laughed at that Anyhow we got talking about the life of living on a long narrow boat, He then told me packing in smoking is just like packing in picking your nose. I said oh right, then he said I just smoke what I want when i want and smoking doesn't control me,, and then he said as long as i die with a pipe smoking golden Virginia tobacco i will be happy. well ok i said, and that was it i said well nice talking to you. As i walked away i thought if smoking doesn't control him what's he doing still smoking it then, i thought we Should die saying our prayers to Jesus.

 

[MatthewWestfieldUK]

I think that government policy needs to to react to the addictive nature of certain drugs and also gambling. Without a government taking some decisions, the corporations will simply push whatever is the most useful. So I guess the devil through the personalities that lead such corporations

 

[de-emerald]

I don't think the Lord likes it much no.

It's pretty fleshly though not necessarily sinful. As in there may be exceptions to it being sinful (certain mindsets/heartsets etc) but for the most part? Also to him who does not know...

Anything that doesn't feed the spirit and simply feeds the flesh like movies, TV, video games etc. of course lends itself to being a tool of the enemy.

It can lead to idolatry, bondage, and sin...and it doesn't exactly lend itself to being edifying to one's walk but much like a coffee habit or a 1-2 drink rule, it "can" stay pretty minimal as far as spiritual damage is concerned for certain people.

For me it's mostly sinful and sometimes neutral. I have had doors open to productive kingdom minded conversations that wouldn't have been had otherwise but in my heart that doesn't give me a green light or anything...it just was a byproduct. I don't think it was BECAUSE of smoking, just that the Lord used that at the time. MOST of the byproduct of smoking or using nicotine without combustion hasn't been Godly but mostly poor stewardship.

There's a lot I can say but it's 3am here and the thread isn't very developed yet with responses.

The "temple" rationale cannot be discouted in my view.


I don't think Spurgeon is a great example of why it's alright for Christians though since that was a different time and even he had reservations when the "ante was upped".

Night.

a lot of intresting points you raised, i dont know who Spurgeon is, so i cant comment on his views or what he stands for. but anything that feeds the flesh in my book is not always bad, the way that i see it is everything has to pass through are flesh anyhow, and we do have to be around and live with people, who we where once like in some bad habits etc.
But certain things that feed the flesh are not as easy to wash of as dirt on your hands as blood on your hands etc, or stained lungs as opposed to dirty hands etc

 

[Icedaisey]

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Whilst out walking yesterday I saw this long boat on the river, with the hatch open, UMM i thought, it was very quiet, being inquisitive i looked into the boat, and wondered how come the door was open. So i shouted HELLO, no answer, So i shouted HELLO AGAIN still no answer,,

So i was just about to get into the boat when all of a sudden i heard a loud shout which was DONT COME IN HERE, IM ON THE SHITER (toilet) and the fumes are bad. i shouted OK SORRY OK.

So i stepped off the boat and then half a minute later this old guy of about 70 with a big long white beard came out who was now rather grumpy. He looked at me sternly. I said sorry sir I was a bit worried. He noticed I could smell the fumes coming out of the boat which were not too pleasant.

He said well i did warn you,, I said this is one of those days when i shouldn't have packed in smoking.. He laughed at that Anyhow we got talking about the life of living on a long narrow boat, He then told me packing in smoking is just like packing in picking your nose. I said oh right, then he said I just smoke what I want when i want and smoking doesn't control me,, and then he said as long as i die with a pipe smoking golden Virginia tobacco i will be happy. well ok i said, and that was it i said well nice talking to you. As i walked away i thought if smoking doesn't control him what's he doing still smoking it then, i thought we Should die saying our prayers to Jesus.

Like unto alcoholics who are in denial. "I don't have a drinking problem. I can stop drinking anytime I want."
" Addiction is a disease."
(Not) Sure, it's the only disease that abates when the "diseased" runs out of money.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Good post and good points, the devil would say you have to be cruel to be kind, and some would say yes you do. But who would say that, really ? Would God say that. well here we go again, Some would agree you have to be cruel to be kind. But are you being cruel if you take a packet of cigarettes of your child ?,, now on the other hand, if i took a packet of cigarettes of an a man under a new law of the land, he would no doubt call me Adolf Hitler.

IF I then said IM being cruel to be kind, he would call me the devil. so lets look at it the other way. If I came along and asked kindly please sir that man is dying, and he wants his last cigarettes could you give him your last cigarettes,, he would say no problem.. The smoker is a kind person to really,, but however he's actually being kind to be cruel. Because the last cigarette will finish the dying man of... what he actually needs is oxygen and his heart pumping..

So your last point which ill reverse here,,, knowing that we are in the devil snare is also not a good thing by merit its knowing all the time when he comes to strike again. That's the great thing and i do think it can be achieved, if we beat addiction the will power inside us is strong and good enough to let us know in advance and see the devil coming..

I think it’s important to realize we’re free and one person doesn’t have any place trying to demand what anyone else does. If someone chose to do anything good or bad it’s an expression of thier God given freedom and choice

one Christian can hate smoking but if they start trying to lord over a smoker and condemn them , they are actually sinning themselves

we don’t have any authority or judgement over another person and if we become judgemental towards others even a smoker that we don’t like smoking , the smoker I assure you doesn’t care if the other guy doesn’t like smoking . Most I’ve noticed if you make the point you don’t want smoke around you will move away and smoke where they aren’t affecting you

but at that point we shouldn’t stand there judging the smoker it’s not any Christians place to have that place of condemning or judging or accusing or any of that people have freedom to do anything they will , and the consequences come with our decisions

 

[rayzor]

I think it’s important to realize we’re free and one person doesn’t have any place trying to demand what anyone else does. If someone chose to do anything good or bad it’s an expression of thier God given freedom and choice

one Christian can hate smoking but if they start trying to lord over a smoker and condemn them , they are actually sinning themselves

we don’t have any authority or judgement over another person and if we become judgemental towards others even a smoker that we don’t like smoking , the smoker I assure you doesn’t care if the other guy doesn’t like smoking . Most I’ve noticed if you make the point you don’t want smoke around you will move away and smoke where they aren’t affecting you

but at that point we shouldn’t stand there judging the smoker it’s not any Christians place to have that place of condemning or judging or accusing or any of that people have freedom to do anything they will , and the consequences come with our decisions

It at lest don't always seem like that.It fills like a nuclear engine that might leak radiations 2 some.One smoker might cause 10 others to smoke that kind of thinking.Like compound interest.Beside we r not to b passive about sin in others....my mom died of cancer from smoking...bet it was based in sin some how,, it always is.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

It at lest don't always seem like that.It fills like a nuclear engine that might leak radiations 2 some.One smoker might cause 10 others to smoke that kind of thinking.Like compound interest.Beside we r not to b passive about sin in others....my mom died of cancer from smoking...bet it was based in sin some how,, it always is.

yeah I agree smoking a a bad thing but people have freedom to choose both good and evil and we are all only accountable for what we choose . We also have no authority over another to choose for them is my point

I’m not advocating smoking cigarettes or any substance always a bad idea in my opinion , but I also understand I’m no one to judge another person.

we seem to be pretty passive about our own sin lol and pretty aggressive against what we perceive in others that we don’t agree with . We need to start judging our own sins and repenting and letting go of our judgement over others is my point

I can hate smoking and perceive it is evil , but my judgement isn’t going upon others it’s for me and what keeps me from those things

we should be non passive against our sin and let God judge the others “sin “ but that’s just my own view and everyone’s” free to choose thiers “ also

 

[rayzor]

yeah I agree smoking a a bad thing but people have freedom to choose both good and evil and we are all only accountable for what we choose . We also have no authority over another to choose for them is my point

I’m not advocating smoking cigarettes or any substance always a bad idea in my opinion , but I also understand I’m no one to judge another person.

we seem to be pretty passive about our own sin lol and pretty aggressive against what we perceive in others that we don’t agree with . We need to start judging our own sins and repenting and letting go of our judgement over others is my point

I can hate smoking and perceive it is evil , but my judgement isn’t going upon others it’s for me and what keeps me from those things

we should be non passive against our sin and let God judge the others “sin “ but that’s just my own view and everyone’s” free to choose thiers “ also

well maybe but r sons, wife, ect god forbid they lose there soul.We seek 2 be affective agaist sin.No one would argue about judgement of others...hate the sin not the sinners...the saints r aggressive against sin that's y they get killed.I know u know this It's not ok just 2 live your life = Luke warm...and yes the battles is with in.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

well maybe but r sons, wife, ect god forbid they lose there soul.We seek 2 be affective agaist sin.No one would argue about judgement of others...hate the sin not the sinners...the saints r aggressive against sin that's y they get killed.I know u know this It's not ok just 2 live your life = Luke warm...and yes the battles is with in.

the saints are aggressive against thier own sin and they don’t judge and condemn others for whatever they perceive to be sin on others a saint will bear Christs judgement out in his life how would Jesus treat a sinner ? Would he aggressively point out thier sin and seperate himself from the sinner ?

“And one of the Pharisees desired him that he would eat with him. And he went into the Pharisee's house, and sat down to meat. And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment, And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment.

Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭7:36-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s how the self righteous looked at sinners this is how Jesus reacted

“And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head.

Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet. My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.

Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.

And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭7:44-48, 50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We should start realizing none is righteous , all are sinners those who come to that realization are going to find a love for Christ I like the disillusioned sinners who think they have some moral high ground over those other sinners who are sinning and are known sinners …..we all are known sinners in Gods sight all we can do now is find Christ and hear him calling us to repentance and eternal
Life part of that is to stop looking at others sins and start ridding our lives of our own sins

she was a sinner who loved Jesus the other was a sinner who was disillusioned to think he was worthy and she wasn’t he was righteous in his judgement but who came away having been saved by faith ?
the known sinner was saved because she came to the savior

 

[Mii]

But certain things that feed the flesh are not as easy to wash of as dirt on your hands as blood on your hands etc, or stained lungs as opposed to dirty hands etc

Sowing and reaping...

I think sometimes believers forget that Jesus didn't ever say within the law of liberty that you no longer reap what you sow. Still do and our body is one of the best "tells" on when this is happening.

I do think God is gracious enough to mitigate some of the worst effects of untoward reaping if we humble and submit ourselves but sometimes it seems that it is part of correction and chastisement so it cannot be lessened.

It all gets pretty complex for me and I love the genius of it but since it's late and I don't care to make a mistake with my words I'll just end here (almost )

poison = poi sin = poised to sin.

Tobacco is a poisonous plant so it can facilitate the "posture" that leads to open doors and we know the enemy is roaring like a lion seeking whom he may devour so...is it foolhardy for some? Most? All? I cannot say for sure. I can say for me that it's distinctly unwise almost all of the time (definitely habitual use is).

 

[de-emerald]

I think it’s important to realize we’re free and one person doesn’t have any place trying to demand what anyone else does. If someone chose to do anything good or bad it’s an expression of thier God given freedom and choice

one Christian can hate smoking but if they start trying to lord over a smoker and condemn them , they are actually sinning themselves

we don’t have any authority or judgement over another person and if we become judgemental towards others even a smoker that we don’t like smoking , the smoker I assure you doesn’t care if the other guy doesn’t like smoking . Most I’ve noticed if you make the point you don’t want smoke around you will move away and smoke where they aren’t affecting you

but at that point we shouldn’t stand there judging the smoker it’s not any Christians place to have that place of condemning or judging or accusing or any of that people have freedom to do anything they will , and the consequences come with our decisions

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Hi to all you beautiful brothers and sisters. Firstly, may the lord bless you and keep you, .

Ok so firstly let me address pilgrims issues with people judging people, or sinners judging sinners, Now firstly because you are a sinner does not mean you have no right to Judge sin.

You must always judge sin. But how you Judge sin without upsetting the sinner comes from the Good work of our lord. I would be interested to hear peoples methods in coping with sinners and how they talk to sinners.

Make no mistake there are thousands of ways a person can sin, so no doubt at some point in the future we will sin. Now personally I think this is one way to judge sin, because it speaks to the sinner with compassion. This is one way to Judge sin. Now there are many other ways we Judge sin. One of those ways we Judge sin, is we say this happens, and we know the enemy can get a hold of people, like when we hear people saying how bad they have messed up, or how they became addicted to an addiction, before they messed up, or how they were misled by people around them, we all forgive them just like Jesus did. Or we once again say sin happens and the enemy can do this to a person. My experience tho until people actually confess their sins and say there sorry a lot of people will not make allowances even tho there a sinner, or they may sin in the future, Now should i dislike that person ?

The other side of our nature can be we only make allowances for sin when people ask for forgiveness. Or we will only come to think the devil has played a hand when the sinner says sorry.

Most people view sin as evil, but yet fail to spot the devil is at work until the sinner repents. Why is this ? Is it because people would think well the devil would never say he was sorry ?..

Well i think that may be true what do you guys think ?

 

[de-emerald]

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As you know, there are none smokers and there are smokers. Now some none smokers hate smoking so bad, that they will not have a relationship with a smoker. Its many a persons' preference on a dating application to not meet a smoker, Now the smoker would probably say well that's their loss and ill find a person who smokes, and just carry on smoking, all i can say to this method is what an absolute shame. Just imagine if he took the approach ill go on the patches for a couple of weeks whilst dating trying to find my ideal match, he could actually meet an ex smoker who could be his ideal match, you know.

But could you imagine if a date was arranged between a none smoker and a smoker and the smoker lit up a cigarette at the dinning table,, It's the same when they first introduced none smoking departments on trains and busses, some people still carried on to smoke in those compartments,, as a young adult i did this too. And one guy grabbed my coat and went absolutely crazy on me, you know,, now me my self at the time did not know just how unpleasant smoke is to none smokers. or ex smokers.. I never knew the smell could carry down the train as I had no smell of it then.. This is what happens when you smoke, you lose smell.

But this guy obviously did not think about Jesus when he grabbed me by the hair and throat. After I told him to mind his own business. I was sitting next to a window that did not have a no smoking sign on,, I thought it was ok to smoke there. This guys method of dealing with sin and sinners is many a persons' method in the world, people ask you stop once and if you don't, they rebuke you sternly. Would you guys think this is a better way to Judge sinners ?

 

[Gardenias]

@de-emerald please stop using my avatar in your post.
First I've said ALL I'm going to say and secondly,I'm not interested.

Thank you!

 

[SalomePortman]

All temptations are from God. God created all things.

 

[de-emerald]

@de-emerald please stop using my avatar in your post.
First I've said ALL I'm going to say and secondly,I'm not interested.

Thank you!

Sorry i dont see what the issue is, if you dont want to join in fine i will stop but you did post in a previous thread about smoking.. This is avery important matter,, i thought you would be intrested. ok well go then goodbye.

 

[de-emerald]

All temptations are from God. God created all things.

Thats only if you believe that satan works for God, which comes from believing Job in the wrong way,, which ive has a massive debate over.. I would favor the lords prayer in the new testament from Jesus which is to deliever us from evil and to lead us not in to temtptation.

The Lord Jesus taught His disciples to ask God, “do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil (Matthew 6:13). If you ask God to help you avoid temptation, then you should also be vigilant to stay away from tempting situations

 

[Gardenias]

Sorry i dont see what the issue is, if you dont want to join in fine i will stop but you did post in a previous thread about smoking.. This is avery important matter,, i thought you would be intrested. ok well go then goodbye.

Don't be petty!
Goodbye!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

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Hi to all you beautiful brothers and sisters. Firstly, may the lord bless you and keep you, .

Ok so firstly let me address pilgrims issues with people judging people, or sinners judging sinners, Now firstly because you are a sinner does not mean you have no right to Judge sin.

You must always judge sin. But how you Judge sin without upsetting the sinner comes from the Good work of our lord. I would be interested to hear peoples methods in coping with sinners and how they talk to sinners.

Make no mistake there are thousands of ways a person can sin, so no doubt at some point in the future we will sin. Now personally I think this is one way to judge sin, because it speaks to the sinner with compassion. This is one way to Judge sin. Now there are many other ways we Judge sin. One of those ways we Judge sin, is we say this happens, and we know the enemy can get a hold of people, like when we hear people saying how bad they have messed up, or how they became addicted to an addiction, before they messed up, or how they were misled by people around them, we all forgive them just like Jesus did. Or we once again say sin happens and the enemy can do this to a person. My experience tho until people actually confess their sins and say there sorry a lot of people will not make allowances even tho there a sinner, or they may sin in the future, Now should i dislike that person ?

The other side of our nature can be we only make allowances for sin when people ask for forgiveness. Or we will only come to think the devil has played a hand when the sinner says sorry.

Most people view sin as evil, but yet fail to spot the devil is at work until the sinner repents. Why is this ? Is it because people would think well the devil would never say he was sorry ?..

Well i think that may be true what do you guys think ?

it’s not an issue I have I don’t judge anyone I leave that to the judge

We need to judge our self not others because the others already have a judge who knows every fiber of thier being . He knows every crack every scar , he knows what stains the world left on the person before they came to him

it’s quite simply not Christians place to jidge another Christian period and that simple no Christian needs to assume the role of the other christians judge.

in order to judge a person you have to know the amount of faith they have and where they are in understanding we don’t and can’t know that Christ does however I think you should consider that no one else is ever going to be judged by the faith you have but by thier own faith they will be judged by Christ alone

“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?

for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:10-14, 19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that doesn’t seem ambiguous but like a pretty sound and clear teaching directly from the gospel . See this part ?

“to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.”

because you see smoking as a terrible sin , if you were to ever start smoking it would be sin for you. But to another who doesn’t esteem it the same in thier own faith it isn’t sin to three because you see it that way our judgement is only for our own self there’s no occasion where any Christian should be looking at what they esteem sin in another because when we all pass away we have to go answer for what we have done not the other guy but he’s only going to be interested in our own deeds for each

we should be looking for peace and edification not bouncing the thkngs others do that we esteem sinful

now we do make judgements about what influences we personally want around us , but it becomes error when we start pointing our and announcing it to others

I’m not sure there’s an argument that Christians are the judge of other Christians but I’m aware some of them do think they are and will argue to the end of the earth for their right to judge others sins

I don’t think they want that responsibility however because it’s healing up judgement for themself

Christ is capable of handling Christians judgement and we wouldn’t want others doing that anyways but that’s only my own understanding

 

[Mii]

Didn't Paul say "what business have I judging those outside the church?" Or some such?

We are to judge those inside the church but not by being "judgmental".


Heinous sin with a pastor and a congregant...no we shouldn't judge. Uh no, that isn't what that means.
No we aren't called to give condemnatory judgment often (if at all) but correction? How are you showing love if you don't correct someone in error? It must of course be done in love and to me it is tricky to make sure your motives are correct but I've also used that as an excuse to say nothing when I feel it's the right thing to do so there is that.

Certainly people that claim no Lordship with Jesus we have no business "judging"...they have a different standard and it doesn't apply. Within the church though? Obviously we should be super careful and make SURE (prayer, supplication, fasting, etc.) that we are right to bring it up.

"apples of gold" is a passage from Proverbs I think that suggests that there is a right time to bring a matter before a brother or sister but "beating them over the head" or being "condemnatory" is what I think "judge lest ye be judged" applies to. There's a tad bit more clarity that is probably necessary when it comes to sin within the church but why is there a system to bring up a matter before a brother, then a group, then the church and then handing them over to Satan if we are "not to judge" LOL.

It is of course imperative to not judge in the flesh and that it is righteous judgment. If it is, I don't see any reason why an individual cannot attempt a consensus with other believers. How would you confront someone with multiple people if there were no Godly consensus?

I'm sure some have had some terribad experiences with people uniting in fleshly judgment...however that doesn't mean "across the board" that no unified judgment can be had within the body for the edification and not division of the church. I don't have a bible within arms reach but I could post the relevant scriptures if someone would like (which I may do anyway a bit later).

Thoughts?

 

[de-emerald]

it’s not an issue I have I don’t judge anyone I leave that to the judge

We need to judge our self not others because the others already have a judge who knows every fiber of thier being . He knows every crack every scar , he knows what stains the world left on the person before they came to him

it’s quite simply not Christians place to jidge another Christian period and that simple no Christian needs to assume the role of the other christians judge.

in order to judge a person you have to know the amount of faith they have and where they are in understanding we don’t and can’t know that Christ does however I think you should consider that no one else is ever going to be judged by the faith you have but by thier own faith they will be judged by Christ alone

“But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?

for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:10-14, 19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that doesn’t seem ambiguous but like a pretty sound and clear teaching directly from the gospel . See this part ?

“to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.”

because you see smoking as a terrible sin , if you were to ever start smoking it would be sin for you. But to another who doesn’t esteem it the same in thier own faith it isn’t sin to three because you see it that way our judgement is only for our own self there’s no occasion where any Christian should be looking at what they esteem sin in another because when we all pass away we have to go answer for what we have done not the other guy but he’s only going to be interested in our own deeds for each

we should be looking for peace and edification not bouncing the thkngs others do that we esteem sinful

now we do make judgements about what influences we personally want around us , but it becomes error when we start pointing our and announcing it to others

I’m not sure there’s an argument that Christians are the judge of other Christians but I’m aware some of them do think they are and will argue to the end of the earth for their right to judge others sins

I don’t think they want that responsibility however because it’s healing up judgement for themself

Christ is capable of handling Christians judgement and we wouldn’t want others doing that anyways but that’s only my own understanding

I seem to recall having this talk with you once before, but anyhow I'm happy to have it again.

Matthew 7 :: NIV. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. Or another translation is

Matthew 7 Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you

(This means if you Judge you will be judged it does not mean you should not judge at all. It means if you judge a sinner wrongly you will be judged ACCORDINGLY, if you have been called to Judge correctly, and you judge correctly by the bible then you must judge, Its also means if you don't want to be judged then don't judge. God appoints men to Judge, I'll tell you that i am not afraid to judge and i will do so. And if my Judgment is wrong, i will be judged. And if my Judgment is right, i will be judged. So once again I will tell you that I am not afraid to Judge sin and I will do so

John 7:24

Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

My thread is about judging the devil. Which nobody can see

Galatians 6

Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you to be tempted.

(Judging a brother caught up in sin with this type of judgment is the correct Judgment.) If you Judge this way, you will not be Judged badly

romans 14 Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother.

If you stop putting a stumbling block in front of your brother, then there is no need to keep judging each other. But if you do put a stumbling block in front of your brother, then a brother should judge you. I will also Judge you if you don't see this point of View.