Pope Calls for Catholics and Charismatics to Unite.

[Dustoffmyfeet]

ok, ok, let's go with the lake of fire.

If our God is a consuming fire, how many fires are there?

 

[crossnote]

Thus bowing his adherents with him?

 

[Vernon]

I am ignorant of the Charismatic church and Copeland. Can someone explain (in simple terms) why the unity of the Catholic church and the Charismatics is a sign?

They are not unifying, they are just talking to one another and not condemning one another.

 

[dcontroversal]

Thus bowing his adherents with him?

I believe so as they see him as the Vicar of God!

 

[Jda016]

If our God is a consuming fire, how many fires are there?

Dust, I believe Crossnote is referring to this:


Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


And this:


Matthew 25:41
New King James Version (NKJV)
41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

These are the fires of judgement.

 

[Vernon]

God is a consuming fire, unless anyone forgets. Deuteronomy 4:24, Hebrews 12:29

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

The Charismatic movement within the Catholic Church is growing fast around the world. Do many Catholic leaders view it as a threat because they don't understand it?

These Catholic charismatics are probably going to be persecuted by the Catholic Church hierarchy in the sense that they will be criticized of turning away from the Virgin Mary and negating the authority of the Pope.

Perhaps some Catholics who have experienced a "Pentecost" will return to tradition and allow their experience to lie dormant while others discover they have centered their lives around the person of Jesus Christ and the fullness of the Holy Spirit and discover a Christian love, fellowship, and spiritual rapport with those Protestants whom are genuinely born again and in God's kingdom.

David Wilkerson and others spoke that a time is coming when many Protestants as well as Catholics must "come out from among them" as the genuine sheep separating themselves from a worldly immoral super church.

 

[Reformedjason]

Two bad theologies unite. Seems about right.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Lolol....

Two bad theologies unite. Seems about right.

 

[crossnote]

Seems what the two have in common is a 'loose' hold on Scripture...the Pentecostal with his over emphasis on the Spirit over the Word; and the Roman Catholic with her over emphasis on Church Tradition over the Word.

 

[1still_waters]

So basically they'll unite around a shared spiritual experience.
Charasmatics: "Hey over there Rome I see you're speaking in tongues and getting liver shivers like us."
Rome: "Why yes we are!"

The Roman Catholic's Council of Trent considers faith alone heretical.

[h=2]THE COUNCIL OF TRENT[/h]Perhaps one of the most important events in the history of the Roman Catholic Church is the Council of Trent (1545–1563). This gathering sought to counter and respond to the Protestant Reformation. It was at this ecumenical meeting that Rome ultimately anathematized, or condemned, the biblical doctrine of justification:

Canon 9: If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone, meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the action of his own will, let him be anathema.1
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Canon 14: If anyone says that man is absolved from his sins and justified because he firmly believes that he is absolved and justified, or that no one is truly justified except him who believes himself justified, and that by this faith alone absolution and justification are effected, let him be anathema.2
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Canon 24: If anyone says that the justice received is not preserved and also not increased before God through good works, but that those works are merely the fruits and signs of justification obtained, but not the cause of its increase, let him be anathema.3
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Canon 30: If anyone says that after the reception of the grace of justification the guilt is so remitted and the debt of eternal punishment so blotted out to every repentant sinner, that no debt of temporal punishment remains to be discharged either in this world or in purgatory before the gates of heaven can be opened, let him be anathema.4
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Canon 33: If anyone says that the Catholic doctrine of justification as set forth by the holy council in the present decree, derogates in some respect from the glory of God or the merits of our Lord Jesus Christ, and does not rather illustrate the truth of our faith and no less the glory of God and of Christ Jesus, let him be anathema.5


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But hey, who cares if one side is preaching works righteousness?
Deeds not creeds right??
Right??

And I mean we all be having the same spiritual experiences and such, it's just that one side is saying grace through faith isn't enough.

*face palm*

 

[Jackson123]

hmmm interesting well it must happen and the time is at hand so these things must come to past, all the denominations gonna fall in one accord with the catholic church, they already have their dogmas and not many realize it, that's how accurate the bible is, everything in the spiritual is manifested in the natural

Revelation 17:5

King James Version (KJV)

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.


…In 1999 the Roman Catholic Church and the Protestant Lutheran Church signed an agreement that brought an end to the protest. Luther believed that we were saved by grace through faith, alone… The Catholic Church believed that we were saved by works. And that was the protest. In 1999 they wrote this together… I’m reading verbatim from the Catholic Vatican website: ‘Justification means that Christ Himself is our righteousness in which we share through the Holy Spirit in accord with the will of the Father. Together, we, Catholics and Protestants – Lutherans – believe and confess that by grace alone in faith in Christ’s saving works, and not because of any merit on our part, we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, Who renews our hearts while equipping and calling us to good works.’ (applause from the audience). Brothers and sisters, Luther’s protest is over; is yours?”

Is that mean catholic doesn't believe in purgatory anymore?

 

[Dustoffmyfeet]

Dust, I believe Crossnote is referring to this:


Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


And this:


Matthew 25:41
New King James Version (NKJV)
41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

These are the fires of judgement.

What do you all think we are in now? Have we not risen with Christ to sit in heavenly places? Has the bible not said that He took captivity captive? It goes to serve then that WE are those that are the fearful. Again we are dying in the midst of a RISEN SAVIOR who says that if one believes in Him, will never die.

Today you have Christians condemning others, yet still calling themselves sinners. We ARE that fearful generation. This way of thinking is burned upon our deaths.

 

[OrthodoxCatholic]

This does not surprise me what the heretical Vatican is up to with its errors and such.

 

[jb]

"Lets bash the Roman Catholics, the Charismatics, the Pentecostals...

AH, that feels better!

Now lets see who else we can bash!"

How Pathetic!

 

[crossnote]

"Lets bash the Roman Catholics, the Charismatics, the Pentecostals...

AH, that feels better!

Now lets see who else we can bash!"

How Pathetic!

Hopefully we are exposing their false teaching not bashing individuals.

 

[Jackson123]

Well, I would say that the end run will be ecumenical unification of so called Christian Entities under one banner!

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Not to mention that the last two Popes bowed to the Koran!

=World wide religious unification!

That is right brother. Look like we are close to so call one world government lead by Antichrist. Pope is Christ representative on earth. Christ is the King of king, and delegate to Pope. ==> King of king rule the world ==> Pope must rule the world. To do so must create one world economic system, one world religion system will enforce the unity of government. This not agenda of one Pope but agenda of Vatican or institution.

These speech below indicate who behind NWO.

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[Jackson123]

in the early 90s I read a book of chick publication, Dr. Alberto Rivera, former Jesuit tell the story, during his school in the vatican in the 60's, one professor, Cardinal Be explain the long-term plan of the Vatican.

Vatican believe Pope is God's representative on earth. The Bible says that God will come to earth and reign over the hill zion. Sion hill located in the old Jerusalem.Therefore Vatican wants the old Jerusalem.

This book was written in the year 72. There was no clue at all that the vatican wants the old Jerusalem.

Let me remind you one more time, This book publish in the year 1972.

Now what happen?

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      Dec 20, 2013 - Skull & Bones in Jesuit shrine Editor's Note... The decades old globalist plot to "internationalize" the Israeli capital city Jerusalem.
      
      
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[john832]

The thread was meant to question the implications of different theological institutions agreeing and cooperating in the end times.

 

[notuptome]

I am looking for rome to agree with islam to form a world church. rome will think they are in charge but islam will overtake them. Together they will then pressure Israel in preparation for the end of the age and Christ's return. rome will play footsies with all the protestant religions but islam will provide the force to obtain compliance.

For the cause of Christ
Roger