Popeless Catholics

[Bladerunner]

I'm not into reading books other people write ABOUT churches.
I'd rather learn about the church on my own and make up my own mind about it.

It's kind of like reading ABOUT the bible
Instead of reading the bible, I'd reather read the bible...

Pope Francis is making a concerted effort (woth other churches) to try and come closer together in doctrineal beliefs.
The Catholic Church is changing a lot. I believe this is why Benedict retired; he did not agree with these changes.

IF the Pope were to become the head of the big one.world church, no one will mind because the Catholic Church will have changed drastically by then. It's not happening in our lifetime.

It took about 40 years for Vatican Council II to really start taking effect. Catholics don't accept change easily.

I'd relax if I were you. I have a feeling the Lord is coming back soon and I also believe the Anti-Christ will be taking over the church. Pope Francis is not the Anti-Christ. He is FOR Christ.

Fran

As far you assumption about the Pope being over a one world Church and no one would mind i. I agree,,, At that time, a great deception will have happen and billions will flock to the RCC. Unfortunately, Jesus' Church will already be gone.

FranC unless you are older than the 1948 timeline, You and I will probably see bible prophecy come to fruition. I don't think the RCC has time to change especially since they have already had almost 2000 years only change when forced to by the reformation.

Again I agree the Pope is not the Anti-Christ nor will he in all likelihood be the false Prophet.

I also saw nothing changed in any serious way when the Vatican Council II announced their new doctrinal beliefs.

 

[Bladerunner]

Good morning Ed The immaculate conception has to do with Mary's sinlessness from conception. They believe God in the flesh could not have been born sinless unless Mary was also sinless. Sounds rather blasphemous to me. The RCC idolatry of Mary is nothing short of disturbing.

Like and agree with what you say Magenta..However, I would like to ask one pertinent question.

Since God placed Jesus within Mary's womb, why would one think that the HE would not make sure that sin was not present.

Only in the case where the "Vicar of Christ" infallible as the Pope allegedly was, could make such a statement as "immaculate conception". Such arrogance?????

 

[AllenW]

 

[Bladerunner]

If a bunch of persons were attacking YOU, I'd also defend the right of YOUR Church to teach what it does,
even though I may not agree with its doctrine.

I like to discuss and debate doctrine,
I DO NOT like to attack people because I think they're in the wrong Church.

Fran

"I DO NOT like to attack people because I think they're in the wrong Church."

I am sorry if you think I was attacking you, it was not my intent. But rather only as a discussion/debate.

Again My apologies

 

[Bladerunner]

Actually, there have been Christian popes in my lifetime. Just not this one.

And, no one is not saved because he loves Jesus. Jesus saves. We love him after being saved. We don't love a caricature of some god we want him to be, like this pope does, name the god we created "Jesus," and then fit into those who love Jesus. It's either the Jesus the Bible talks about, or it's not love for Jesus. It's love for self-inventions.

you said:"And, no one is not saved because he loves Jesus.We love him after being saved "

I loved Jesus long before I repented and ask him to forgive my sins. He did not forgive my sins because I loved Him but rather because I called upon His Name to forgive me. His Love for me started long before I was born and is enough to wash all my sins away. "Yes, Jesus Loves Me" and I still love Him.

 

[Ahwatukee]

As far you assumption about the Pope being over a one world Church and no one would mind i. I agree,,, At that time, a great deception will have happen and billions will flock to the RCC. Unfortunately, Jesus' Church will already be gone.

FranC unless you are older than the 1948 timeline, You and I will probably see bible prophecy come to fruition. I don't think the RCC has time to change especially since they have already had almost 2000 years only change when forced to by the reformation.

Again I agree the Pope is not the Anti-Christ nor will he in all likelihood be the false Prophet.

I also saw nothing changed in any serious way when the Vatican Council II announced their new doctrinal beliefs.

Hello BaldeRunner,

I have believed from the beginning that the office of the pope will be the one who will play the part of the false prophet. Currently, there over 1.2 billion Catholics, who are devout to the pope and the RCC. What do think will happen when that antichrist shows up and the pope of that time begins to perform those miracles, signs and wonders, even causing fire to come down out of heaven in full view of the inhabitants of the earth? Those who were already devout would be even more so and all of those counterfeit religious sects, such as JW,'s, Mormons, Christian science, Scientology, Unification church, etc., etc., would all be sucked in because of those miraculous signs and wonders.

According to the counsels, the dogmas of the RCC, the pope sits in the place of Christ on earth and that all people should come under the authority of the pope and the RCC. The institution of Roman Catholicism considers itself to be the true church, yet it is full of the practices of the mystery religions of Babylon, which is demonstrated in part by their queen of heaven worship and mother and son worship. And lets not forget about the 82 ft. obelisk that sits out in the middle of St. Peter's circle. Mystery Babylon is hiding right out in plain site.

When that antichrist is revealed, he will provide the power to put the pope back into that position of authority (which they are currently unable to enforce), with consequences, as in the past, for those who do not comply. There is no better candidate than the pope who already has over 1.2 billion devotees. The satanic counterfeit, miracles, signs and wonders that will be done for the purpose of giving credibility to the beast in his claim of being God, will increase that number exponentially.

As further proof, Rome was literally built on and is famous for her seven hills upon which the woman sits. It is the woman's religious headquarters with the pope as its leader. If Roman Catholicism is Mystery Babylon, then who better to be the false prophet of that institution than its leader, the pope?

 

[Bladerunner]

Hello BaldeRunner,

I have believed from the beginning that the office of the pope will be the one who will play the part of the false prophet. Currently, there over 1.2 billion Catholics, who are devout to the pope and the RCC. What do think will happen when that antichrist shows up and the pope of that time begins to perform those miracles, signs and wonders, even causing fire to come down out of heaven in full view of the inhabitants of the earth? Those who were already devout would be even more so and all of those counterfeit religious sects, such as JW,'s, Mormons, Christian science, Scientology, Unification church, etc., etc., would all be sucked in because of those miraculous signs and wonders.

According to the counsels, the dogmas of the RCC, the pope sits in the place of Christ on earth and that all people should come under the authority of the pope and the RCC. The institution of Roman Catholicism considers itself to be the true church, yet it is full of the practices of the mystery religions of Babylon, which is demonstrated in part by their queen of heaven worship and mother and son worship. And lets not forget about the 82 ft. obelisk that sits out in the middle of St. Peter's circle. Mystery Babylon is hiding right out in plain site.

When that antichrist is revealed, he will provide the power to put the pope back into that position of authority (which they are currently unable to enforce), with consequences, as in the past, for those who do not comply. There is no better candidate than the pope who already has over 1.2 billion devotees. The satanic counterfeit, miracles, signs and wonders that will be done for the purpose of giving credibility to the beast in his claim of being God, will increase that number exponentially.

As further proof, Rome was literally built on and is famous for her seven hills upon which the woman sits. It is the woman's religious headquarters with the pope as its leader. If Roman Catholicism is Mystery Babylon, then who better to be the false prophet of that institution than its leader, the pope?

Very Good, very Good Ahwatukee!!!!!! Let me add that the Bible speaks of the city with seven Hills. There are several cities around the world that have the famous seven hills. Most cities do not have anything that could ever be considered the Harlot. By reading History of the RCC, one sees that the RCC was perpetuated mostly on the backs of Harlots. History will rule out every other city except the Vatican City in Rome.

 

[AllenW]

Trivia question;
What do end time popes have to do with popeless catholics?
Answer that question and you are still on topic.
Answer differently and you have derailed the thread.

 

[Susanna]

Trivia question;
What do end time popes have to do with popeless catholics?
Answer that question and you are still on topic.
Answer differently and you have derailed the thread.

I wanna derail the thread so I'm saying add the letter "o" in both "popes" and "popeless".

 

[AllenW]

I wanna derail the thread so I'm saying add the letter "o" in both "popes" and "popeless".

popeso and popeslesso?
Yeah, I like that.

 

[Susanna]

popeso and popeslesso?
Yeah, I like that.

I thought I was the one with dyslexia lol.

 

[Depleted]

you said:"And, no one is not saved because he loves Jesus.We love him after being saved "

I loved Jesus long before I repented and ask him to forgive my sins. He did not forgive my sins because I loved Him but rather because I called upon His Name to forgive me. His Love for me started long before I was born and is enough to wash all my sins away. "Yes, Jesus Loves Me" and I still love Him.

Quicky reference:
[FONT=&quot]1) election/predestination (in Christ), 2) Atonement 3) gospel call 4) inward call 5) regeneration, 6) conversion (faith & repentance), 7) justification, 8) sanctification, and 9) glorification. (Rom 8:29-30)[/FONT]

from The Order of Salvation.

 

[dcontroversal]

Hello BaldeRunner,

I have believed from the beginning that the office of the pope will be the one who will play the part of the false prophet.

And lets not forget about the 82 ft. obelisk that sits out in the middle of St. Peter's circle. Mystery Babylon is hiding right out in plain site.

When that antichrist is revealed, he will provide the power to put the pope back into that position of authority (which they are currently unable to enforce), with consequences, as in the past, for those who do not comply. There is no better candidate than the pope who already has over 1.2 billion devotees. The satanic counterfeit, miracles, signs and wonders that will be done for the purpose of giving credibility to the beast in his claim of being God, will increase that number exponentially.

As further proof, Rome was literally built on and is famous for her seven hills upon which the woman sits. It is the woman's religious headquarters with the pope as its leader. If Roman Catholicism is Mystery Babylon, then who better to be the false prophet of that institution than its leader, the pope?

1. Agree the pope will be the false prophet
2. Disagree the biggest one in the world is in the district of Columbia and stands 555 feet tall<--yes hiding in plain sight
3. Sure there is ...the 12th IMAM/MADHI and the Catholics-->last three popes have BOWED to and KISSED the KORAN placing the Catholic church under the authority of ISLAM..if but symbolically for the moment
4. The Greek word is MOUNTAINS....not hills and is in reference to the 7 world powers that would rule over the middle east as in Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and what Rome devolves into 10 toes/10 horns

 

[dcontroversal]

Very Good, very Good Ahwatukee!!!!!! Let me add that the Bible speaks of the city with seven Hills. There are several cities around the world that have the famous seven hills. Most cities do not have anything that could ever be considered the Harlot. By reading History of the RCC, one sees that the RCC was perpetuated mostly on the backs of Harlots. History will rule out every other city except the Vatican City in Rome.

Except for the fact that the Greek word is for Mountains and not HILLS.....

 

[abcdef]

Hello BaldeRunner,

I have believed from the beginning that the office of the pope will be the one who will play the part of the false prophet. Currently, there over 1.2 billion Catholics, who are devout to the pope and the RCC. What do think will happen when that antichrist shows up and the pope of that time begins to perform those miracles, signs and wonders, even causing fire to come down out of heaven in full view of the inhabitants of the earth? Those who were already devout would be even more so and all of those counterfeit religious sects, such as JW,'s, Mormons, Christian science, Scientology, Unification church, etc., etc., would all be sucked in because of those miraculous signs and wonders.

According to the counsels, the dogmas of the RCC, the pope sits in the place of Christ on earth and that all people should come under the authority of the pope and the RCC. The institution of Roman Catholicism considers itself to be the true church, yet it is full of the practices of the mystery religions of Babylon, which is demonstrated in part by their queen of heaven worship and mother and son worship. And lets not forget about the 82 ft. obelisk that sits out in the middle of St. Peter's circle. Mystery Babylon is hiding right out in plain site.

When that antichrist is revealed, he will provide the power to put the pope back into that position of authority (which they are currently unable to enforce), with consequences, as in the past, for those who do not comply. There is no better candidate than the pope who already has over 1.2 billion devotees. The satanic counterfeit, miracles, signs and wonders that will be done for the purpose of giving credibility to the beast in his claim of being God, will increase that number exponentially.

As further proof, Rome was literally built on and is famous for her seven hills upon which the woman sits. It is the woman's religious headquarters with the pope as its leader. If Roman Catholicism is Mystery Babylon, then who better to be the false prophet of that institution than its leader, the pope?

My Brother,

You believe this and yet you do not take your logic to it's practical end ?

CAESAR and the BISHOP of ROME are the ROMAN ANTICHRIST !

The Bishop of Rome is the 8th head !

He lasts until the stone strikes ! Dan 2

Currently more than 1500 years ! !

Where is that shown the the statue ?

He is revealed !

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The Revelation centers on Israel, the wild and natural branches,

Not "planet" Earth,

The world of ISRAEL !

Jerusalem is the center of the world.

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Look at the iron legs of the statue !

The iron is one solid continual nation until the stone strikes, divided, but solid.

WHO IS THE IRON LEGS FOR THE PAST 2000 YEARS ?!?!?

 

[FranC]

As far you assumption about the Pope being over a one world Church and no one would mind i. I agree,,, At that time, a great deception will have happen and billions will flock to the RCC. Unfortunately, Jesus' Church will already be gone.

FranC unless you are older than the 1948 timeline, You and I will probably see bible prophecy come to fruition. I don't think the RCC has time to change especially since they have already had almost 2000 years only change when forced to by the reformation.

Again I agree the Pope is not the Anti-Christ nor will he in all likelihood be the false Prophet.

I also saw nothing changed in any serious way when the Vatican Council II announced their new doctrinal beliefs.

Hi Bladerunner

I hear that human DNA was injected into a pig so as to grow human organs.
Put that alongside cloning and I truly feel we're nearing the end. It's time.

As far as the changing..
The RCC softened up a lot with VCII
All good in my opinion. Opened a lot of doors for change.

Pope Francis has quietly made a Very Big change in his letter Amores Letizia.
Remarried couples can now receive Communion under certain circumstances.
This was unheard of just two years ago.

Why is this important?
It breaks a Catholic doctrine.
If you could break one, you could break them all !

They are becoming more Protestant.
And since you seem like a serious guy, I'll also tell
You that there's talk of changing the words for the consecration of the bread.
Don't know too much about it yet...

Fran

 

[abcdef]

I grew up a Roman Catholic.
It was many years later before I ever entered churches other than Baptist.
Besides, the eastern Orthodox, who claim they are catholics, we have what was called mainstream protestants from Europe.
Episcopalians, Lutherans, Methodists, and Presbyterians.
I've been in each of these churches and they seem so much like a Roman Catholic church.
The old churches, the bells, the candles, and other rituals, I wonder, are they still catholics?
Are they simply popeless catholics?
I've heard people say, "no, they've changed".
Have those people ever been in a Roman catholic church to be qualified to say they've changed?
Are they all ecumenical churches?
How does all this play out in the end times?
Who has the answers?
Who are the experts here?
I'd like to know.

The Bible, like a great spiritual light, was hidden from almost everybody, for over a thousand years.

But when the printing press was developed and the Bible was translated,

Everyone began to read the Bible for themselves.

What they began to understand was that things were not "quite right" with the RCC and their associates.

There was a good reason that the RCC had hidden the truth about Rome and the Bishop of Rome (holy father, man is god).

It was illegal to have a Bible.

Translators and reformers were killed.

Wars were fought, to be free of the Roman Caesar/ BoR.

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As time went by, the light of God's truth in the scriptures became greater.

People didn't really need a priest and a beast between them and God.

Now there are many Bibles,

Many commentaries and viewpoints to be accessed.

The light is shining brightly now,

And we are all walking toward it, by reading the Bible, and by the spirit of love.

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[Bladerunner]

Except for the fact that the Greek word is for Mountains and not HILLS.....

Ah my old friend....hope this finds you well.

I digress a little here. The woman is actually a city. Now what city has been known for 2000 years as the "City on seven Hills' Rome References: "the Woman Rides the Beast", page 67, Revelation, chapter 17: 9,18

rev 17:9 "And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth."

Rev 17:18 " And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth."


Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend) G3735
ὄρος óros, or'-os; probably from an obsolete ὄρω órō (to rise or "rear"; perhaps akin to G142; compare G3733); a mountain (as lifting itself above the plain):—hill, mount(-ain).

The KJV translates Strong's G3735 in the following manner: mountain (41x), mount (21x), hill (3x).





these cities also set on seven hills(mountains): Edinburgh, Scotland; Seattle, Washington USA; Richmond, Virginia USA; Prague, Czech Republic; Moscow, Russia;
Asunción, Paraguay; Dunedin, New Zealand. Only on can fit and that is Rome, Italy

 

[AllenW]

And when is the next ecumenical council taking place?

https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/postpone-ecumenical-council-no-longer

 

[Bladerunner]

It is very likely that any denomanation/church that has accepted any false doctrines of Rome, are daughters of the harlot...

Rev 17:5, "and upon her forehead a name written, a secret: BAḆEL THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF THE WHORES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Not every denomination or church in Rome wears Purple and Gold.

Rev. 17:4 KJV: "And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:"

"golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication"
This cup is full of the 2000 year history of the RCC. It is dead on. there is no doubt.