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Hi FranC... You said that you had rather learn about the church on your own and make up my own mind about it. That is ok but when History is written in many different places, most not available on the Internet, it is hard to get a full picture of something good or bad.
Having said that, The book I recommended, was researched for several years prior to being written and includes excerpts of the actual History. While is is not the only information out there about the RCC, it is a good one to start with. It will give you questions you can answer elsewhere.
WHile the RCC appears to have gone some changing of the guard, it has not really changed its colors. The Pope is the Vicar of Christ and is still infallible. The 950 Million people that are Catholics in the world are at risk because of the teachings of this church. Some see through the veil and turn away from SOME of the teachings. Is this turning away from SOME of teachings enough. Only Jesus Christ Knows.
I agree the Pope will not be the Anti-christ. I do not think he (the pope) will even fit the False Profit position. However, because of the Catholic Churches dealings with outrageous SIN and Abominations since its inception, She (RCC) will qualify it for the "Woman who rides the Beast.' Rem in Rev. this woman is killed of by the beast.
Thank you for the discussion.
D
My brother was married the first time in a Lutheran church. They had two children. Those kids are not bastards, and to say think you (the priest) even has to tell me that, galls me.
It is wrong that only people who can afford $3000 after a marriage goes wrong are embraced back into church. My mother couldn't afford the $3000 so she was denied communion. (She told the bishop in that area where he could shove his decision too, and yet her dying wish was for me to remain a Catholic and raise my little brother as a Catholic. Serious double whammy, since I'm that little brother's godmother and had just become born again. She believed what the church taught her to believe, Catholicism saves.)
Church lawyers? Really? So they make up the rules, and then hire their entire justice system to enforce them? In both cases (brother's and Dad's second marriage), they were already legally not married. (My brother got his divorce. Mom died before hse could divorce Dad.)
Pope Francis wants to include homosexuals now. He would, if he had sole authority. This isn't merely "imperfection." This nullifies the OT and NT.
Honestly? I was both Catholic and born again, so I don't count a Catholic as unable to be a Christian. But what you're teaching is either standing up for a belief system that you don't believe in and then trying to tell people stuff about it that is simply wrong.
As for my meme for DustyRhodes? I read what he said. It's still a pile of cow patties. Especially from someone who says he refuses to associate with such kinds. Really? I don't associate with nomads in the Sahara Desert, but because of that I have no idea what they believe and wouldn't be so bold as to fill in the gapsd, since I don't know. That's exactly what he claimed to do there.
Originally Posted by DustyRhodes
To begin with every denomination sets out to brainwash and the younger they can get them, the better since they are malleable. And they are taught in that denomination that whatever is said there is the final authority on all Christian things. Therefore they get dug in.
It is wrong that only people who can afford $3000 after a marriage goes wrong are embraced back into church. My mother couldn't afford the $3000 so she was denied communion. (She told the bishop in that area where he could shove his decision too, and yet her dying wish was for me to remain a Catholic and raise my little brother as a Catholic. Serious double whammy, since I'm that little brother's godmother and had just become born again. She believed what the church taught her to believe, Catholicism saves.)
Church lawyers? Really? So they make up the rules, and then hire their entire justice system to enforce them? In both cases (brother's and Dad's second marriage), they were already legally not married. (My brother got his divorce. Mom died before hse could divorce Dad.)
Pope Francis wants to include homosexuals now. He would, if he had sole authority. This isn't merely "imperfection." This nullifies the OT and NT.
Honestly? I was both Catholic and born again, so I don't count a Catholic as unable to be a Christian. But what you're teaching is either standing up for a belief system that you don't believe in and then trying to tell people stuff about it that is simply wrong.
As for my meme for DustyRhodes? I read what he said. It's still a pile of cow patties. Especially from someone who says he refuses to associate with such kinds. Really? I don't associate with nomads in the Sahara Desert, but because of that I have no idea what they believe and wouldn't be so bold as to fill in the gapsd, since I don't know. That's exactly what he claimed to do there.
To begin with every denomination sets out to brainwash and the younger they can get them, the better since they are malleable. And they are taught in that denomination that whatever is said there is the final authority on all Christian things. Therefore they get dug in.
My brother was married the first time in a Lutheran church. They had two children. Those kids are not bastards, and to say think you (the priest) even has to tell me that, galls me.
It is wrong that only people who can afford $3000 after a marriage goes wrong are embraced back into church. My mother couldn't afford the $3000 so she was denied communion. (She told the bishop in that area where he could shove his decision too, and yet her dying wish was for me to remain a Catholic and raise my little brother as a Catholic. Serious double whammy, since I'm that little brother's godmother and had just become born again. She believed what the church taught her to believe, Catholicism saves.)
Church lawyers? Really? So they make up the rules, and then hire their entire justice system to enforce them? In both cases (brother's and Dad's second marriage), they were already legally not married. (My brother got his divorce. Mom died before hse could divorce Dad.)
Pope Francis wants to include homosexuals now. He would, if he had sole authority. This isn't merely "imperfection." This nullifies the OT and NT.
Honestly? I was both Catholic and born again, so I don't count a Catholic as unable to be a Christian. But what you're teaching is either standing up for a belief system that you don't believe in and then trying to tell people stuff about it that is simply wrong.
As for my meme for DustyRhodes? I read what he said. It's still a pile of cow patties. Especially from someone who says he refuses to associate with such kinds. Really? I don't associate with nomads in the Sahara Desert, but because of that I have no idea what they believe and wouldn't be so bold as to fill in the gapsd, since I don't know. That's exactly what he claimed to do there.
Originally Posted by DustyRhodes
To begin with every denomination sets out to brainwash and the younger they can get them, the better since they are malleable. And they are taught in that denomination that whatever is said there is the final authority on all Christian things. Therefore they get dug in.
It is wrong that only people who can afford $3000 after a marriage goes wrong are embraced back into church. My mother couldn't afford the $3000 so she was denied communion. (She told the bishop in that area where he could shove his decision too, and yet her dying wish was for me to remain a Catholic and raise my little brother as a Catholic. Serious double whammy, since I'm that little brother's godmother and had just become born again. She believed what the church taught her to believe, Catholicism saves.)
Church lawyers? Really? So they make up the rules, and then hire their entire justice system to enforce them? In both cases (brother's and Dad's second marriage), they were already legally not married. (My brother got his divorce. Mom died before hse could divorce Dad.)
Pope Francis wants to include homosexuals now. He would, if he had sole authority. This isn't merely "imperfection." This nullifies the OT and NT.
Honestly? I was both Catholic and born again, so I don't count a Catholic as unable to be a Christian. But what you're teaching is either standing up for a belief system that you don't believe in and then trying to tell people stuff about it that is simply wrong.
As for my meme for DustyRhodes? I read what he said. It's still a pile of cow patties. Especially from someone who says he refuses to associate with such kinds. Really? I don't associate with nomads in the Sahara Desert, but because of that I have no idea what they believe and wouldn't be so bold as to fill in the gapsd, since I don't know. That's exactly what he claimed to do there.
To begin with every denomination sets out to brainwash and the younger they can get them, the better since they are malleable. And they are taught in that denomination that whatever is said there is the final authority on all Christian things. Therefore they get dug in.
And I 'd like to say, at this point, that DustyRhodes has 1,000X more spirituality
than you do.
And this is the FIRST TIME I've ever commented on someones' walk with the Lord.
Your hated is too obvious.
Have you read Mathew 5:43-48?
Fran
I agree.
But know what's funny?
The Catholic Church, at least here by me, has begun to say that we are all priests. I was pretty shocked when
I heard this from friends who heard the priest that said it.
Now this is spoken of in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (the CCC) paragraphs nos. 1546 and 1547, but it
was never actually taught before.
Fran
But know what's funny?
The Catholic Church, at least here by me, has begun to say that we are all priests. I was pretty shocked when
I heard this from friends who heard the priest that said it.
Now this is spoken of in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (the CCC) paragraphs nos. 1546 and 1547, but it
was never actually taught before.
Fran
Both are doctrines- human rules (false doctrine) and the doctrine of Christ (New Testament). We see this in 1 Timothy 4. They abandoned THE Faith (God's doctrine/New Testament) to follow deceiving spirits. These false doctrines included forbidding people to marry, and to abstain from certain foods.
Now they followed these things as a way to serve God- so they stilled believed in God- they did not abandon faith in God, but more specifically THEE Faith (the doctrine of God/belief/practice in the truth).
If false doctrine wasn't a doctrine at all, God would not have said "Their doctrine is merely human rules." Not all human rules are doctrines, but if you tell somebody you must obey them in order to go to heaven- then it becomes a doctrine.
Now they followed these things as a way to serve God- so they stilled believed in God- they did not abandon faith in God, but more specifically THEE Faith (the doctrine of God/belief/practice in the truth).
If false doctrine wasn't a doctrine at all, God would not have said "Their doctrine is merely human rules." Not all human rules are doctrines, but if you tell somebody you must obey them in order to go to heaven- then it becomes a doctrine.
J
the church of England and Catholicism were pretty much the same, same traditions, rituals, doctrines and beliefs. what hurts your spirit is how much these two were bitter enemies that hated each other. lots of death and destruction between these two especially in Ireland, the Irish were made 2nd class citizens in their own home because of their faith. the root of all the problems were these two churches and the substance of both churches were the same. makes no sense at all.
Timeline, please do not think I am attacking you or FranC. I just do not know where you are coming from. Are you a Catholic Priest, etc.
You last statement is a little more revealing, yet in a previous post (Page 8)
you said: "I have been to a lot more church buildings than I have services at those buildings. None of them, except the RCC, have the tabernacle structure, candle lighting area, statues. They don't have "confessionals", "holy water", priests (for we are a holy priesthood - not just a few select men).
But, for example, the preacher in a lot of churches is not an elder, but holds some kind of unscriptural authority. "
What makes the priest in the Catholic Church more Holy than those non-elder, unscriptural authority type of Preachers, Ministers, etc.? The fact that the Pope THE 'Vicar of Christ' tells them so????????????
In my opinion, a preacher, minister, priest, etc. are all the same IF they are teaching the people (either in a congregation or without) the gospel of Jesus Christ. I am pretty sure Jesus just might agree. Because His Church is the PEOPLE not four walls and all the forced doctrines people must follow before they have any hope of being in heaven.
Again, I am not attacking you just presenting my opinion and thank you for you time and opinion as well.
May your day have an extra measure of Blessings.
You last statement is a little more revealing, yet in a previous post (Page 8)
you said: "I have been to a lot more church buildings than I have services at those buildings. None of them, except the RCC, have the tabernacle structure, candle lighting area, statues. They don't have "confessionals", "holy water", priests (for we are a holy priesthood - not just a few select men).
But, for example, the preacher in a lot of churches is not an elder, but holds some kind of unscriptural authority. "
What makes the priest in the Catholic Church more Holy than those non-elder, unscriptural authority type of Preachers, Ministers, etc.? The fact that the Pope THE 'Vicar of Christ' tells them so????????????
In my opinion, a preacher, minister, priest, etc. are all the same IF they are teaching the people (either in a congregation or without) the gospel of Jesus Christ. I am pretty sure Jesus just might agree. Because His Church is the PEOPLE not four walls and all the forced doctrines people must follow before they have any hope of being in heaven.
Again, I am not attacking you just presenting my opinion and thank you for you time and opinion as well.
May your day have an extra measure of Blessings.
D
Actually, there have been Christian popes in my lifetime. Just not this one.
And, no one is not saved because he loves Jesus. Jesus saves. We love him after being saved. We don't love a caricature of some god we want him to be, like this pope does, name the god we created "Jesus," and then fit into those who love Jesus. It's either the Jesus the Bible talks about, or it's not love for Jesus. It's love for self-inventions.
And, no one is not saved because he loves Jesus. Jesus saves. We love him after being saved. We don't love a caricature of some god we want him to be, like this pope does, name the god we created "Jesus," and then fit into those who love Jesus. It's either the Jesus the Bible talks about, or it's not love for Jesus. It's love for self-inventions.
D
Meh. I don't think that's a point that changes if someone is saved though. Sort of like tongues. If you get it wrong, (and I so get many think there is a right and wrong to tongues), it doesn't affect relationship with Christ. (I also know of some nondenoms who put the pastor in between Christ and the people.)