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AMEN DustyRhodes
Truer words were never spoken!
What's important is to follow God. We'll be judged by what we know and believe, not by any doctrine.
The Catholic Church has really changed a lot and when one knows its doctrine, it's not so bad as it used to be.
Whatever Church one is in, the important thing is that they follow God.
God created the church, the church didn't create God.
Fran
Truer words were never spoken!
What's important is to follow God. We'll be judged by what we know and believe, not by any doctrine.
The Catholic Church has really changed a lot and when one knows its doctrine, it's not so bad as it used to be.
Whatever Church one is in, the important thing is that they follow God.
God created the church, the church didn't create God.
Fran
the services tend to be in the traditional side, though I think that's up to each church.
the Lord's supper is done at nearly every service, it's done much like a Catholic mass.
yes, they pass the offering plate.
yes, a sermon, but it's usually on they short side. It's supposed to be based on the bible readings for that day, which are usually the same as what the rcc reads that day... so it's kind of cool to think 'millions of Christians all over the world are reading these scriptures, too.
they don't do alter calls the away most people think of them... but everyone is 'called to the alter' to partake of communion. They have an open communion, any baptized believer is welcome (compare to rcc or Orthodox, which is not open).
some episcopal churches put their services up on YouTube, so you could check those out. (let me know if you have any trouble finding them)
the Lord's supper is done at nearly every service, it's done much like a Catholic mass.
yes, they pass the offering plate.
yes, a sermon, but it's usually on they short side. It's supposed to be based on the bible readings for that day, which are usually the same as what the rcc reads that day... so it's kind of cool to think 'millions of Christians all over the world are reading these scriptures, too.
they don't do alter calls the away most people think of them... but everyone is 'called to the alter' to partake of communion. They have an open communion, any baptized believer is welcome (compare to rcc or Orthodox, which is not open).
some episcopal churches put their services up on YouTube, so you could check those out. (let me know if you have any trouble finding them)
the services tend to be in the traditional side, though I think that's up to each church.
the Lord's supper is done at nearly every service, it's done much like a Catholic mass.
yes, they pass the offering plate.
yes, a sermon, but it's usually on they short side. It's supposed to be based on the bible readings for that day, which are usually the same as what the rcc reads that day... so it's kind of cool to think 'millions of Christians all over the world are reading these scriptures, too.
they don't do alter calls the away most people think of them... but everyone is 'called to the alter' to partake of communion. They have an open communion, any baptized believer is welcome (compare to rcc or Orthodox, which is not open).
some episcopal churches put their services up on YouTube, so you could check those out. (let me know if you have any trouble finding them)
the Lord's supper is done at nearly every service, it's done much like a Catholic mass.
yes, they pass the offering plate.
yes, a sermon, but it's usually on they short side. It's supposed to be based on the bible readings for that day, which are usually the same as what the rcc reads that day... so it's kind of cool to think 'millions of Christians all over the world are reading these scriptures, too.
they don't do alter calls the away most people think of them... but everyone is 'called to the alter' to partake of communion. They have an open communion, any baptized believer is welcome (compare to rcc or Orthodox, which is not open).
some episcopal churches put their services up on YouTube, so you could check those out. (let me know if you have any trouble finding them)
Is it true that the majority is now in Africa and the African church rules policy?
These two doctrines are required to be believed by Catholics. If they don't believe them, they're required to keep earnestly trying.
Jesus was born sinless. How could a sinless being be carried by a sinful person?
So Mary had to be made sinless. In Luke, Gabriel salutes her as "full of grace". The RCC understands this to mean that she is more full of grace than any other human person, by reason of the merits of her Son, the Savior of the human race.
1854 AD
Since she had no sin, she could not be suject to bodily corruption.
So she was declared to have been taken bodily to heaven, as was her Son.
Death had no victory over here because of her unique position.
1950 AD
Perpetual virginity because she is the handmaiden of the Lord.
Luke 1:38
All churches twist ideas around to suit what they believe.
This is an example.
Going too far...
Fran
Jesus was born sinless. How could a sinless being be carried by a sinful person?
So Mary had to be made sinless. In Luke, Gabriel salutes her as "full of grace". The RCC understands this to mean that she is more full of grace than any other human person, by reason of the merits of her Son, the Savior of the human race.
1854 AD
Since she had no sin, she could not be suject to bodily corruption.
So she was declared to have been taken bodily to heaven, as was her Son.
Death had no victory over here because of her unique position.
1950 AD
Perpetual virginity because she is the handmaiden of the Lord.
Luke 1:38
All churches twist ideas around to suit what they believe.
This is an example.
Going too far...
Fran
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So just the outer wrappings and no in depth study?
Outwardly most traditional services are very similar. Most contemporary services are similar across denominations.
The doctrines and beliefs and how the churches are organized that is different.
Methodist have conferences. All pastors must uphold the Book of discipline a 500 page book which gets voted upon every 5 or 7 years?
They address issues like baptism, and social principles like stating that homosexuality is against God's plan for humanity but people who declare themselves homosexual should still be treated with respect and love and given food and shelter.
I heard there may be a vote in the next convention about homosexuality which might cause another split soon.
There is more but a single post or thread won't cover it.
It would take years and hours of study to truly grasp church history.
Most people are too lazy or uninterested to care enough to spend time learning.
Fast food theology makes for shallow roots.
Outwardly most traditional services are very similar. Most contemporary services are similar across denominations.
The doctrines and beliefs and how the churches are organized that is different.
Methodist have conferences. All pastors must uphold the Book of discipline a 500 page book which gets voted upon every 5 or 7 years?
They address issues like baptism, and social principles like stating that homosexuality is against God's plan for humanity but people who declare themselves homosexual should still be treated with respect and love and given food and shelter.
I heard there may be a vote in the next convention about homosexuality which might cause another split soon.
There is more but a single post or thread won't cover it.
It would take years and hours of study to truly grasp church history.
Most people are too lazy or uninterested to care enough to spend time learning.
Fast food theology makes for shallow roots.
dcontroversial,
I'm willing to discuss anything with anybody.
Only if it's presented in a serious manner.
If you think I have jokes, am hillarious, and am a big farce,
why would you care about what I have to say?
You've made many incorrect statements. That's all I'll say.
If you really want to discuss, take each number separately and tell what you THINK re the RCC.
Then I'll give you my reply.
Fran
I would like to repeat that I'm Protestant
I'm willing to discuss anything with anybody.
Only if it's presented in a serious manner.
If you think I have jokes, am hillarious, and am a big farce,
why would you care about what I have to say?
You've made many incorrect statements. That's all I'll say.
If you really want to discuss, take each number separately and tell what you THINK re the RCC.
Then I'll give you my reply.
Fran
I would like to repeat that I'm Protestant
A
900 plus pages amended at general conference over 200 years.
Here is an online copy for anyone interested in the current governing version.
https://www.cokesbury.com/forms/DynamicContent.aspx?id=87&pageid=920
Here is an online copy for anyone interested in the current governing version.
https://www.cokesbury.com/forms/DynamicContent.aspx?id=87&pageid=920
I was raised Catholic.
I became born again while going to the Catholic Church but it was something between me and God.
After that I couldn't relate anymore and had to leave the church.
I attended several churches and settled down into a Nazarene Church for about 10 years.
Had the occasion to teach in the Catholic church. Had to learn all the doctrine. I didn't have any real problems except with purgatory and confession, especially purgatory. It didn't present a big problem - I just didn't dwell on it.
Praying to Mary is misunderstood, as are other Catholic doctrine, as I see on these threads.
So, yes, I know both Catholic and Protestant doctrine. And, I must say, when I'm believed to be Catholic I AM attacked.
This is unfortunate since I know many born again Catholics and we are ONE BODY IN CHRIST. Jesus commanded us to love one another and that's how we'd be known to be of Him.
If one believes in Christ as Savior, I don't care what church they belong to. God is everywhere.
(although I won't hesitate debating! with good manners)
Fran
I became born again while going to the Catholic Church but it was something between me and God.
After that I couldn't relate anymore and had to leave the church.
I attended several churches and settled down into a Nazarene Church for about 10 years.
Had the occasion to teach in the Catholic church. Had to learn all the doctrine. I didn't have any real problems except with purgatory and confession, especially purgatory. It didn't present a big problem - I just didn't dwell on it.
Praying to Mary is misunderstood, as are other Catholic doctrine, as I see on these threads.
So, yes, I know both Catholic and Protestant doctrine. And, I must say, when I'm believed to be Catholic I AM attacked.
This is unfortunate since I know many born again Catholics and we are ONE BODY IN CHRIST. Jesus commanded us to love one another and that's how we'd be known to be of Him.
If one believes in Christ as Savior, I don't care what church they belong to. God is everywhere.
(although I won't hesitate debating! with good manners)
Fran
If Jesus needed Mary to be sinless so that He could be sinless, then Mary's ancestral mothers all the way back to Eve would have likewise needed to be sinless in order to bring forth a sinless Mary. Making the sinlessness of Jesus dependent upon Mary is idolatry plain and simple. Yes, the Roman Catholic pontiffs have gone way too far twisting Scripture to make Mary out to be that which she is not nor was not. The sad thing is that they continue to do so. Are you defending the heresies of the RCC?
I don't know, but that wouldn't surprise me.
as I said, imo it's really all about the everybody saying the same thing for Episcopalians. How you apply that to your life is up to you.
You can check what is said in a service here
The Online Book of Common Prayer
as I said, imo it's really all about the everybody saying the same thing for Episcopalians. How you apply that to your life is up to you.
You can check what is said in a service here
The Online Book of Common Prayer