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JaumeJ

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My several posts in this thread have made it clear that it is not suggested but taugth by Jesus Christ that we are now, in faith, children of Abraham, and we share in his faith.

For you to say otherwise is simply a ploy to turn others against this teaching of Jesus Christ. You know it, I know it, and any who know the Word know it.

Cease and desist from this attitude for it is not from ignorance rather from personal willfulness.


Nehemiah6 said:
Well what you are suggesting is a denomination called "The Children of Abraham". That would simply add to all the other denominations. And I don't believe that either Christ or the apostles would be too keen about this.

If Christians are children of God and meant to be disciples of Christ, then "Christian" should suffice. Even Agrippa understood this basic concept.
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JaumeJ

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Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
 
JaumeJ

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Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
 
JaumeJ

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Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Rom 4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
 
JaumeJ

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Do you all not see we are of the faith of Abraham...? Do you yet believe the word, Jew, is just anoter denomination and not the nature of those who believe, that is to say "Praisers of God?"

Jesus teaches us so.......
 
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If we obey the Lord's instruction to love the brethren and love our enemies there will be no war.

If we walk in disobedience we will be wrong with or without denominations!
 
JaumeJ

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When we know Jesus Christ we are aware He belonged to no denomination, not even Judaisms, and there is no denomination wo which we are to bow.........the faith of Abraham has nothing to do with denominations, not under the umbrell of the word, Christianity, nor under the umbrell of teh word, Judaism.
 
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Such a thing as denomination does not exist in Christ, for Christ is not divided: was Catholic crucified for you? or were you baptized in the name of Protestant? for while one says I am of Catholic; and another says I am of Protestant, then are they still carnal, and walk as natural man until now.
 
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Gabriel2020 said:
Our whole life as Christians is based on Abraham. If you don't have Abraham like faith,Then you are in trouble. What was in Abraham is what God had been looking for in a man. That seed of faith he had is what has made us righteous i the sight of God.
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It was the spiritual seed Christ that dwelt in Abraham the faith of God .By that new born again faith that comes from hearing God Abraham believed God just as any Christian...and it was imputed as righteousness.

If we would attribute that which worked in Abraham to both will and do the good pleasure to Abraham Then we have already blasphemed the name by which we are called, just as Abraham was called by the same mutual faith of Christ

In us, not of us lest any man boast in false pride..

2 Corinthians 4:7
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
 
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Abraham was literally the father of many nations. Judah is just one of them. Read Genesis 49 when Jacob is prophesying where his sons will be in the last days. The Assyrians carried the 10 Northern tribes into Central Europe. The Israelites went on to found many other countries from there. Like Zebulun became the Vikings (vs. 13). :cool:
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Eve is the literal mother of all nations as the seeds of mankind . Abraham whose name was changed was used to typify all nations as the seed Christ (one) in respect to our father in heaven .Abraham was the literal father of the Jewish nation .Not the the spiritual fathers of all nation that call on His name In that way we are to call no man on earth father. One is our father in heaven .
 
JaumeJ

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Your adding to any meaning posted by the OP......... Faith is always a gift from our Father. But that does not really matter in this case since Abraham means Honored Father of many pEOPLES (Nations)

garee said:
It was the spiritual seed Christ that dwelt in Abraham the faith of God .By that new born again faith that comes from hearing God Abraham believed God just as any Christian...and it was imputed as righteousness.

If we would attribute that which worked in Abraham to both will and do the good pleasure to Abraham Then we have already blasphemed the name by which we are called, just as Abraham was called by the same mutual faith of Christ

In us, not of us lest any man boast in false pride..

2 Corinthians 4:7
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
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JaumeJ

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Abraham is a reference to God and to the man......take it from there and learn the wonder. As for the Seed, that Is Jesus Christ. As for the nations those are the nations saved by the Gospel given first to Abraham......

garee said:
Eve is the literal mother of all nations as the seeds of mankind . Abraham whose name was changed was used to typify all nations as the seed Christ (one) in respect to our father in heaven .Abraham was the literal father of the Jewish nation .Not the the spiritual fathers of all nation that call on His name In that way we are to call no man on earth father. One is our father in heaven .
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Blain said:
perhaps but as nearly as effectively as we could if the body worked together instead of attacking itself. Do you about a disease called Lupus? It's an illness that has to do with the white blood cells the blood cells instead of helping the body and protecting it actually end up attacking the body causing inflammation to the body tissue and causes all kind of issues with the functionality of the body the arms no loner work as well nor do the legs the lungs and heart don't work right and much more.

Ir's like this disease is a literal image of the how a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand and why the body of Christ does not work as a whole or as well as it could
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Another example is leprosy .The disease of feeling no pain. Usually begins with hands and feet. Which hands represent the will and feet to represent the moving of that will in the bible.

It is used throughout scripture to indicate natural man is not sensitive to the moving of the Spirit.

I am reminded of a verse in Revelation that could speak of losing the taste in order to see God . We taste and see that the lord is good. Hoping that will move us to look up to where our help comes from.

I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.Rev3
 
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JaumeJ said:
Abraham is a reference to God and to the man......take it from there and learn the wonder. As for the Seed, that Is Jesus Christ. As for the nations those are the nations saved by the Gospel given first to Abraham......
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Separate kind of references. One to seeds, many and the other as the things of God,seed, as to one.

Never do the two kinds (fleshly and spiritual ) become one. The corruptible as that of Abraham does not inherit the incorruptible seed (Christ)

I think the gospel was first given to Abel . He had the faith of Christ needed to believe God. His blood still cries out.

We should be careful how we use the word Abraham that we do not have the faith that comes from hearing God in respect to a sinner and not the faith of God by which we can believe God. . The Catholics use the name Peter in the same way the non believing Jew used Abraham as if he was our father in heaven . The faith of Christ is that which mutual works in all believers. if we have our new faith in respect to Abraham we have already blasphemed the holy name by which we are called

The man Abraham has no part of our salvation.
 
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garee said:
Separate kind of references. One to seeds, many and the other as the things of God,seed, as to one.

Never do the two kinds (fleshly and spiritual ) become one. The corruptible as that of Abraham does not inherit the incorruptible seed (Christ)

I think the gospel was first given to Abel . He had the faith of Christ needed to believe God. His blood still cries out.

We should be careful how we use the word Abraham that we do not have the faith that comes from hearing God in respect to a sinner and not the faith of God by which we can believe God. . The Catholics use the name Peter in the same way the non believing Jew used Abraham as if he was our father in heaven . The faith of Christ is that which mutual works in all believers. if we have our new faith in respect to Abraham we have already blasphemed the holy name by which we are called

The man Abraham has no part of our salvation.
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Yet there is a physical side to the blessing of Abraham's descendants. If you dismiss this, you will become confused about some of the prophecy concerning that blessing.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Well what you are suggesting is a denomination called "The Children of Abraham". That would simply add to all the other denominations. And I don't believe that either Christ or the apostles would be too keen about this.

If Christians are children of God and meant to be disciples of Christ, then "Christian" should suffice. Even Agrippa understood this basic concept.
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If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

I believe that jaumj is speaking from the Spirit.

If you are having difficulty hearing.
Just simply take the time to listen.
 
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garee said:
Separate kind of references. One to seeds, many and the other as the things of God,seed, as to one.

Never do the two kinds (fleshly and spiritual ) become one. The corruptible as that of Abraham does not inherit the incorruptible seed (Christ)

I think the gospel was first given to Abel . He had the faith of Christ needed to believe God. His blood still cries out.

We should be careful how we use the word Abraham that we do not have the faith that comes from hearing God in respect to a sinner and not the faith of God by which we can believe God. . The Catholics use the name Peter in the same way the non believing Jew used Abraham as if he was our father in heaven . The faith of Christ is that which mutual works in all believers. if we have our new faith in respect to Abraham we have already blasphemed the holy name by which we are called

The man Abraham has no part of our salvation.
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Not sure exactly what you are trying to convey.

But yochannon (John the forerunner)
Declared boldly I might add.
Raise Up.!?

And what was the very location of this conversation when yochannon
Gives this Prophecy?

And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.
 
7777pinacled

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7777pinacled said:
Not sure exactly what you are trying to convey.

But yochannon (John the forerunner)
Declared boldly I might add.
Raise Up.!?

And what was the very location of this conversation when yochannon
Gives this Prophecy?

And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.
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I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."
 
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JaumeJ said:
When we know Jesus Christ we are aware He belonged to no denomination, not even Judaisms, and there is no denomination wo which we are to bow.........the faith of Abraham has nothing to do with denominations, not under the umbrell of the word, Christianity, nor under the umbrell of teh word, Judaism.
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Well, that 's not right.
All us Baptist know Jesus was a Baptist. He was baptized by John the Baptist and started the First Baptist Church of Jerusalem. :cool:
 
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