Expecting the return of Jesus at any moment is out of the realm of belief for people like Bill Johnson, who believe they have to have world wide revival and take over of governments and institutions. They believe they must exercise dominion in this world before Jesus can return by being jerks to family and loved ones who disagree with that false doctrine. Jesus would call the followers of the NAR movement "hypocrites" Matt 24:51
Postmillennialists (Bill Johnson, Bethel) Can't Reconcile With Matt 24:36-25:30
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No, it is the postmillennialism that is in the Kingdom Now theology. Here is Bill Johnson in his book "God is Good" p55:
One of the tragedies of a weakened identity is how it affects our approach to Scripture. Many, if not most, theologians make the mistake of taking all the good stuff contained in the prophets and sweeping it under that mysterious rug called the Millennium. It is not my desire to debate that subject right now. But I do want to challenge our thinking and deal with our propensity to put off those things that require courage, faith, and action to another period of time. The mistaken idea is this: if it is good, it can’t be for now.
One of the tragedies of a weakened identity is how it affects our approach to Scripture. Many, if not most, theologians make the mistake of taking all the good stuff contained in the prophets and sweeping it under that mysterious rug called the Millennium. It is not my desire to debate that subject right now. But I do want to challenge our thinking and deal with our propensity to put off those things that require courage, faith, and action to another period of time. The mistaken idea is this: if it is good, it can’t be for now.
I used to be premillennial, but recognised its heresy and the unscriptural nature of its teaching and became amillennial (like Martyn Lloyd Jones). Now the whole Bible belongs to me.
Its only you Americans who take these absurd teaching seriously
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Its only you Americans who take these absurd teaching seriously
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Why are Brits so bitter about Americans defeating them in th revolusion, to the point of trying to belittle them? So because you believe in amillennialism the whole Bible belongs to you, that is a very prideful statement, the same prideful state that the Jews were in before the Lord scattered to the four winds.
I love the way amillennist believers make statements with no Scriptual backing, please show us the way of no millennialism. If the whole Bible is yours you will have no pronblem showing how it is Biblical.
I used to be premillennial, but recognised its heresy and the unscriptural nature of its teaching and became amillennial (like Martyn Lloyd Jones). Now the whole Bible belongs to me.
Its only you Americans who take these absurd teaching seriously.
Its only you Americans who take these absurd teaching seriously
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Amillennialism is unscriptural and ridiculous.
Jesus' return is not what most people think it is and it is not an event that people would say "...there or here, let's go.."; Jesus is and was and is to come the Almighty- He has always been coming and even now as we speak, He is coming when He indwells a new believer as the holy spirit.
Jesus comes as the kingdom of God, the only event we are waiting for is the end of age. Read your bible and seek understanding.
Jesus comes as the kingdom of God, the only event we are waiting for is the end of age. Read your bible and seek understanding.
The second coming, the last day as the second and final resurrection is the end of the world. Christ is here working in the hearts of his born again people .The one time demonstration in the corrupted flesh as that seen is over .God is not a man as us
The thousand as a signified language used in parables represents a unknown as it does in most cases. The Amil position (no literal thousand years) works the best for reconciling the end time timing.
On the contrary:
Matt 24:36“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[SUP]f[/SUP] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
The verse above means everything will be as normal as we see them today when the end of age comes. People drinking and eating and marrying and being given to marriage means that no special group will be flying out of earth prior to this day in what they believe is rapture. EVERYTHING WILL BE NORMAL.
It is the end of age that will be a special and a unique day because the wrath of God will be poured. Before the end, majority of the Christians will have perished, only 144k faithful believers will be alive.
Though everything will be normal, people will die from the increasing birth pangs (famine/sword/beasts/pestilences) until their number is complete, then the kingdom of God is said to be born- they will indwell the hearts of the 144k faithful believers (this is the kingdom of God)
Matt 24:36“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[SUP]f[/SUP] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
The verse above means everything will be as normal as we see them today when the end of age comes. People drinking and eating and marrying and being given to marriage means that no special group will be flying out of earth prior to this day in what they believe is rapture. EVERYTHING WILL BE NORMAL.
It is the end of age that will be a special and a unique day because the wrath of God will be poured. Before the end, majority of the Christians will have perished, only 144k faithful believers will be alive.
Though everything will be normal, people will die from the increasing birth pangs (famine/sword/beasts/pestilences) until their number is complete, then the kingdom of God is said to be born- they will indwell the hearts of the 144k faithful believers (this is the kingdom of God)
When i say i believe that Jesus comes back as the kingdom of God, i have scriptural basis and it's not some guesswork.
Luke 17:20Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”[SUP]c[/SUP]22Then he said to his disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. 23People will tell you, ‘There he is!’ or ‘Here he is!’ Do not go running off after them. 24For the Son of Man in his day[SUP]d[/SUP] will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. 25But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.
Note; Jesus is using a similar language to describe His return (v23) to the one He has just used to describe the kingdom of God (v21).
The verses above do not conclusively give us the picture, but when the phrase 'the son of man coming with great power & glory/clouds of heaven' is interchangeably used with 'the kingdom of heaven coming with great power' then we start to have a reason to believe:
Mark 9:1And he said to them, “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.”
Matt 16:28Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
Matthew 10:23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next. Truly I tell you, you will not reach all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
Luke 17:20Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”[SUP]c[/SUP]22Then he said to his disciples, “The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. 23People will tell you, ‘There he is!’ or ‘Here he is!’ Do not go running off after them. 24For the Son of Man in his day[SUP]d[/SUP] will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. 25But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.
Note; Jesus is using a similar language to describe His return (v23) to the one He has just used to describe the kingdom of God (v21).
The verses above do not conclusively give us the picture, but when the phrase 'the son of man coming with great power & glory/clouds of heaven' is interchangeably used with 'the kingdom of heaven coming with great power' then we start to have a reason to believe:
Mark 9:1And he said to them, “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.”
Matt 16:28Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
Matthew 10:23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next. Truly I tell you, you will not reach all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.