Praying in Tongues
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7seasrekeyed, post: 3843047, member: 260610"]"Noose, post: 3842991, member: 238750"]1. I never said people should not pray in private
Noose you are not a very honest person. you said this: 1 Cor 14 gives details of how to use tongues to edify others and any gift that edifies others was not to be forbidden but Paul himself in that very chapter was forbidding something- it is called self edification, there's no love in it because other people are not benefiting.
you have had the word edify explained to you multiple times now so there is no excuse for continuing and deliberate twisting the meaning...you say English is not your first language and that may be, however us first language is English people here have disagreed with your bogus interpretation and straightened you out.
do you actually think anyone is being fooled by what you do? even someone who does believe in the gifts knows the actual meaning, so your ruse serves no purpose other than to illustrate your disdain for the subject matter of the thread as well as your apparent disdain for those of us who patiently bear with your nonsense...for the sake of others reading at this point
so while you now say you never said people should not pray in private...you have stated numerous times there is no such thing as praying in tongues...YET the op is about that very thing. and your emphasis seems to be on accusing people of making a show...however praying in tongues should be done quietly and in order as per scripture
2. Speaking in tongues is not praying in the spirit - and no one said that it was so why are you? praying in tongues is praying in the spirit OR being led to pray by the Holy Spirit with an anointing you would not have if not being led
you have no idea what a spirit is and you also don't know what a prayer is.
well that is an accusation straight from the devil. you need to repent and sanctify your mouth because it is not godly and is actually harming you and will harm anyone who accepts your gibberish. both God's words and the devil's words have power and you are choosing the wrong side
The spirit is the mind and a prayer is a need.
Jesus resurrected did not present a mind with no body. consult scripture.
illustrate that from scripture if you can. I will grant you that many people will only pray when they have a need, but this girl understands there are different kinds of prayer and prayer is basically communication with God. consult your Bible . at this point you are doing God a disservice (more than usual) and it is obvious you have a very dull prayer life.
Pray in the Spirit at all times, with every kind of prayer and petition. To this end, stay alert with all perseverance in your prayers for all the saints. Ephesians 6:18
You can choose to make known your needs by speaking (using an organ called a tongue in your mouth) and this should be directed to those that have ears. A prayer to God is not necessarily spoken, God searches the heart/spirit of a man and He knows your needs before you even speak out.
here you are being slyly sarcastic, which you will deny, but as you say, God knows what is in the heart and mind you walk around with and when you create these caustic posts. He knows. He's got it.
Saying that speaking in tongues is praying in spirit (mind) is an oxymoron.
you cannot evade the truth that you are simply unlearned when it comes to things of God.
3. Anything that is in your mind is what we call understanding, even if it is falsehood. Praying in the spirit only means understanding and has nothing to do with any muscles.
you cannot evade the truth that you are simply unlearned when it comes to things of God.
There's no verse that forbids tongues but a whole chapter (1 Cor 14) forbids gibberish.
well, gibberish is your label for what God gives by His Spirit. how people use it may give a bad impression, but no worse then how little you convey the truth that you do not know nor do you understand the truth
his response? doesn't matter at all. you have not yet responded truthfully anyway so who cares
noose makes many false accusations and twists what people here say
he says pray without ceasing does not mean babble all day. no one said it did, however noose wants to give the impression that is what we are saying
noose has no idea what the greater works are as mentioned by Jesus
it actually is a simple answer, but noose cannot use it because then he cannot make the false claim that all the gifts have ceased
the greatest gift of all has not ceased but it seems folks who deny the Holy Spirit, cannot figure it out.
flesh vs spirit
Noose you are not a very honest person. you said this: 1 Cor 14 gives details of how to use tongues to edify others and any gift that edifies others was not to be forbidden but Paul himself in that very chapter was forbidding something- it is called self edification, there's no love in it because other people are not benefiting.
you have had the word edify explained to you multiple times now so there is no excuse for continuing and deliberate twisting the meaning...you say English is not your first language and that may be, however us first language is English people here have disagreed with your bogus interpretation and straightened you out.
do you actually think anyone is being fooled by what you do? even someone who does believe in the gifts knows the actual meaning, so your ruse serves no purpose other than to illustrate your disdain for the subject matter of the thread as well as your apparent disdain for those of us who patiently bear with your nonsense...for the sake of others reading at this point
so while you now say you never said people should not pray in private...you have stated numerous times there is no such thing as praying in tongues...YET the op is about that very thing. and your emphasis seems to be on accusing people of making a show...however praying in tongues should be done quietly and in order as per scripture
2. Speaking in tongues is not praying in the spirit - and no one said that it was so why are you? praying in tongues is praying in the spirit OR being led to pray by the Holy Spirit with an anointing you would not have if not being led
you have no idea what a spirit is and you also don't know what a prayer is.
well that is an accusation straight from the devil. you need to repent and sanctify your mouth because it is not godly and is actually harming you and will harm anyone who accepts your gibberish. both God's words and the devil's words have power and you are choosing the wrong side
The spirit is the mind and a prayer is a need.
Jesus resurrected did not present a mind with no body. consult scripture.
illustrate that from scripture if you can. I will grant you that many people will only pray when they have a need, but this girl understands there are different kinds of prayer and prayer is basically communication with God. consult your Bible . at this point you are doing God a disservice (more than usual) and it is obvious you have a very dull prayer life.
Pray in the Spirit at all times, with every kind of prayer and petition. To this end, stay alert with all perseverance in your prayers for all the saints. Ephesians 6:18
You can choose to make known your needs by speaking (using an organ called a tongue in your mouth) and this should be directed to those that have ears. A prayer to God is not necessarily spoken, God searches the heart/spirit of a man and He knows your needs before you even speak out.
here you are being slyly sarcastic, which you will deny, but as you say, God knows what is in the heart and mind you walk around with and when you create these caustic posts. He knows. He's got it.
Saying that speaking in tongues is praying in spirit (mind) is an oxymoron.
you cannot evade the truth that you are simply unlearned when it comes to things of God.
3. Anything that is in your mind is what we call understanding, even if it is falsehood. Praying in the spirit only means understanding and has nothing to do with any muscles.
you cannot evade the truth that you are simply unlearned when it comes to things of God.
There's no verse that forbids tongues but a whole chapter (1 Cor 14) forbids gibberish.
well, gibberish is your label for what God gives by His Spirit. how people use it may give a bad impression, but no worse then how little you convey the truth that you do not know nor do you understand the truth
his response? doesn't matter at all. you have not yet responded truthfully anyway so who cares
noose makes many false accusations and twists what people here say
he says pray without ceasing does not mean babble all day. no one said it did, however noose wants to give the impression that is what we are saying
noose has no idea what the greater works are as mentioned by Jesus
it actually is a simple answer, but noose cannot use it because then he cannot make the false claim that all the gifts have ceased
the greatest gift of all has not ceased but it seems folks who deny the Holy Spirit, cannot figure it out.
flesh vs spirit
First, I don't care for your personal comments. They are quite unnecessary, only reflect poorly on you, and add absolutely nothing of value to this discussion. Second, your position on this matter is contrary to clear Scripture.
You are welcome to your narrow view on these things, but they don't align with Scripture. The "mind" of God didn't alight on Christ like a dove at His baptism. The "mind" of God didn't fill Cornelius in Acts 10.
Speaking in tongues is not "speaking meaningless words" despite what your experience has taught you.
1 Cor. 14:2a "For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God." Speaking in tongues is not attempting to convey understanding to other people. Interpretation would be, but that's a separate issue.
Yes, God knows what we need before we ask Him. However, we are still encouraged to express our needs to Him in prayer (active communication). When asked how to pray, Jesus didn't say, "just have a wish or need, and your Father will answer". Prayer encompasses far more than needs or wants. It includes praise, adoration, confession, repentance, and intercession.
You are welcome to your narrow view on these things, but they don't align with Scripture. The "mind" of God didn't alight on Christ like a dove at His baptism. The "mind" of God didn't fill Cornelius in Acts 10.
Speaking in tongues is not "speaking meaningless words" despite what your experience has taught you.
1 Cor. 14:2a "For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God." Speaking in tongues is not attempting to convey understanding to other people. Interpretation would be, but that's a separate issue.
Yes, God knows what we need before we ask Him. However, we are still encouraged to express our needs to Him in prayer (active communication). When asked how to pray, Jesus didn't say, "just have a wish or need, and your Father will answer". Prayer encompasses far more than needs or wants. It includes praise, adoration, confession, repentance, and intercession.
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The greater is in the number influenced by the gospel . There is no greater work than hearing the word of God called the hearing of faith believing a God not seen, called salvation .It delivers those form eternal damnation to eternal life.
What could be greater.? Making a noise without meaning and hope it confirms something?
What could be greater.? Making a noise without meaning and hope it confirms something?
that's funny I asked you to explain what Jesus meant when HE said " Greater works" and you are saying it means "Commit word of God to memory" LOL So the greater work is just remembering the word of God? Not acting on it not obeying, just remember it.
So as long as you remember the word of God you will not end thereof the way of Death? well..... wrong ! and unbiblical.
So as long as you remember the word of God you will not end thereof the way of Death? well..... wrong ! and unbiblical.
You still have no idea of how to address that passage. It is not real difficult. The orthodox understanding is that Jesus is foretelling the evangelistic works that the disciple would do and the generations of born again Christians would do in winning many times the number of souls that Jesus won during His earthly ministry.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Here is your earlier statement: "Whether that is Jesus Christ or Gods perfect word, both have already come...". Jesus had already come, so your statement does not hold water. Half of it may, but half isn't the whole. When you ask for a glass of water, would you like the left half, or the right half? 
So do i.
This does not cancel whatever is written about the mind of God who is the Holy spirit, does it? He is not a dove and He doesn't alight, He anoints and gives understanding, He is the truth- Truth only resides in thoughts (mind), He can not arrive as a dove but you wouldn't understand even if a trumpet was put next to your ears.
The dove was only a physical indication to John (and not other people) because he was told "the one whom the spirit will descend on in the form of a dove...". It had to be something visible, a sign for him to identify the Messiah.
Tongues are not meaningless words because they are supposed to be a language. Modern day tongues are not a language and are meaningless words
1 Cor 14:10Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning.
When it is said 'pray without ceasing' does it mean speak without ceasing?
This does not cancel whatever is written about the mind of God who is the Holy spirit, does it? He is not a dove and He doesn't alight, He anoints and gives understanding, He is the truth- Truth only resides in thoughts (mind), He can not arrive as a dove but you wouldn't understand even if a trumpet was put next to your ears.
The dove was only a physical indication to John (and not other people) because he was told "the one whom the spirit will descend on in the form of a dove...". It had to be something visible, a sign for him to identify the Messiah.
Tongues are not meaningless words because they are supposed to be a language. Modern day tongues are not a language and are meaningless words
1 Cor 14:10Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning.
When it is said 'pray without ceasing' does it mean speak without ceasing?
Hi cd,
Tongues still exist and the perfect isn’t here yet - not till Jesus arrives on planet Earth and sets up His millennial rule physically on the Earth in Jerusalem.
(Kinda wish the Father would hurry up and send Jesus back! But, all in the Father’s timing. He knows best.)
Tongues still exist and the perfect isn’t here yet - not till Jesus arrives on planet Earth and sets up His millennial rule physically on the Earth in Jerusalem.
(Kinda wish the Father would hurry up and send Jesus back! But, all in the Father’s timing. He knows best.
)