Praying in Tongues

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I think, if I am right, then Jesus perform all the miracles to proof what is said of him from the former prophets that he is the messajah.
And for shure of course to proof that the gospel is from God.

And that healings and miracles alone didnt leed to faith in Christ. This we find in the Gospels, too. And today.
The people like the benefits of health and wealth, but not carry their own cross. How many christians suffer, because of persecution and dont expierience health and wealth.
And if you study the NT what Jesus and the Apostels said about persecution. Than we find, that if we want follow Christ, persecution is an normal part of an christian life.
And not a life in peace and health and wealth.

Amen signs did not lead but followed after Christ's work of faith, as a labor of his love. The gospel of our salvation.

Its an evil generation, unconverted mankind that seeks after a sign . But again they have no other recourse other than to look to the things seen the temporal they have no faith as the froward nation.. again called evil generation. He hides his face or understanding from natural man .

Deuteronomy 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
 
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Does speaking unearthly languages using an earthly alphabet qualify ? :unsure:
I have a nephew who used to write poems in tongues . He would close his eyes and hit the keys then try and make words out of them rhyming as poetry.
 

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Amen signs did not lead but followed after Christ's work of faith, as a labor of his love. The gospel of our salvation.

Its an evil generation, unconverted mankind that seeks after a sign . But again they have no other recourse other than to look to the things seen the temporal they have no faith as the froward nation.. again called evil generation. He hides his face or understanding from natural man .

Deuteronomy 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
The people have not changed in 2000 years.
 

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your arrogance is most disappointing. Yes, I can read, yes I do study. If you could read then you would know NOT ALL WERE HEALED. AS it states in the Gospel Matthew 13:58 and Mark 6: 5. SO it was not ALL! NOT ALL! I guess you would not leave the 99 for the one As Jesus did? You will, not you rejoice even if one person was healed by God? it has to be MORE!!!! your opinion about Pentecostals and prayer is foolish. You make things unreasonable Never have ever been taught Christian don not get sick and die. LOL what joke. Yes everyone Jesu healed is dead wow !!! Yep and guess what HE healed them anyway why? because HE loved them. Of course, you would not see it that way Whos is Jesus to know what showing love is when you clearly know more than HE.
In acts 5, 12-16 is reportet that signs and wonder were done through the apostles and that all were healed.
In Acts 6, 6-8 is reportet that that Stephanus did wonder and great deeds.
In acts 8, 5-8 is reportet that Philip first preached the Gospel and the did miracles.
In acts 14, 1-3 is reportet that Paul preached the gospel and then the Gospel was proofed throuh signs and wonder which were performed through the apostle.
In acts 19, 11- 12 is reportet that trough Paul wonders takeing place.

In almost all events i mentioned above. The signs and miracles where not hidden to the folks. They recognize these deeds and praises God ore turned to God.
And they had no newspaper ore tv ore internet

If it if today the same, then why we dont get information about such things. Special in the time of Multimedia ?

You say we have youtube. But do you really can trust what you get to see through the clips?
 

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On the basis of the definition you provided above.
But non of these tongue speakers start by defining the kind of tongues they use and everyone of them including the snake handlers believe they are truly gifted by God.
 

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But non of these tongue speakers start by defining the kind of tongues they use and everyone of them including the snake handlers believe they are truly gifted by God.
Relevance?
 

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Maby you overread that I said. All WHO CAME TO HIM where healed. Matth. 13.58 and Mark 6.5 report the same event in Nazareth. There stand nothing that the came to him.
But several times it is written, that all who came to him where healed.
I base what I have written on the written word, because it stands in this way in the bible.
You cant deney that today it is different to the gospel and apostolic time. Can you tell me why?
If I would tell you, you would again call me arrogante and proud.
Where I have said that Jesus do not love us, his children? Where i have said that every sheep in his stock is not worth in his eyes?If I become sick, I do not doubt that he loves me.

You have not taught that every christian will not get sick.
But you claim that Jesus heales today as he did during his stay on earth and in the apostolic time.
And this is simply not true. Otherwise peolpe which attend the healingmeetings would not leave them still sick and handycapped.

Yes one motiv that Jesus heals us is love. But if he heaks us notvhe loves us in the same way.
John 20,29-30 tells his main reason for his wonderful deeds. And this why you find his power more in the mission ministry then in the church, where the members must not be convinced that he is the Son of God.
It seems doescwe have different understandings from the scripture and this why you cant agree with me and I dont with you.
Well one day this will not seperate us.😊
again I do not claim Jesus can Heal today, the very word of God teaches us healing is done by God. So Yes Jesus does heal today. There are many documented medical testimonies for you to look at and mock and scoff if you do not see healing is done by God . Healing is part of the Nature of God Exd 15: 26 For I am the LORD who heals you." Exd 23:25
2kings 20:5
Ps 6:2
Ps 30:2
Ps41:1-3
Ps 107:20

mal 4:2

New Testament :

Matthews 10 : 7-8
Rom 8:10-11
1cor 6:12-14
james 5:14-16
3John 1:2

Healing is what God has always done and will always do. You attack the very word of God. In fact you did not even prove your assertion by the word of God it is your opinion. "healing meetings" is a name of a service where those who go hope to be healed FYI calling it a healing meeting does not make it so, as calling it a "revival" is not one if people don't get saved. it is not we have difference in scriptural understanding, you have not provided any.
 

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In acts 5, 12-16 is reportet that signs and wonder were done through the apostles and that all were healed.
In Acts 6, 6-8 is reportet that that Stephanus did wonder and great deeds.
In acts 8, 5-8 is reportet that Philip first preached the Gospel and the did miracles.
In acts 14, 1-3 is reportet that Paul preached the gospel and then the Gospel was proofed throuh signs and wonder which were performed through the apostle.
In acts 19, 11- 12 is reportet that trough Paul wonders takeing place.

In almost all events i mentioned above. The signs and miracles where not hidden to the folks. They recognize these deeds and praises God ore turned to God.
And they had no newspaper ore tv ore internet

If it if today the same, then why we dont get information about such things. Special in the time of Multimedia ?

You say we have youtube. But can you really trust what you get to see through the clips?[/QUOTE


it really is simple. You look at the word of God and say God does not heal anymore

I look at the word of God and believe He can and does Heal today. YOU box and limit the Lord God. You place the standard of what is healing is by your own pride. it does not matter what proof you have you do not care. You are in error.
 

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I have a nephew who used to write poems in tongues . He would close his eyes and hit the keys then try and make words out of them rhyming as poetry.
2pet 3:3

"Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,".
 

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In acts 5, 12-16 is reportet that signs and wonder were done through the apostles and that all were healed.
In Acts 6, 6-8 is reportet that that Stephanus did wonder and great deeds.
In acts 8, 5-8 is reportet that Philip first preached the Gospel and the did miracles.
In acts 14, 1-3 is reportet that Paul preached the gospel and then the Gospel was proofed throuh signs and wonder which were performed through the apostle.
In acts 19, 11- 12 is reportet that trough Paul wonders takeing place.

In almost all events i mentioned above. The signs and miracles where not hidden to the folks. They recognize these deeds and praises God ore turned to God.
And they had no newspaper ore tv ore internet

If it if today the same, then why we dont get information about such things. Special in the time of Multimedia ?

You say we have youtube. But do you really can trust what you get to see through the clips?
I could provide story after story of those who testified of healing and gave God all the glory you would attack it.

Lets see if you do really accept God or man:

man has a heart attack, while in the hospital heart stops beating. Doctor performs CPR and uses a defibrillators for 15 minutes the man has stopped breathing and heart has not started beating at the 17 minute mark a heart beat.

who did it ?

was it the Doctor or God
 
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I could provide story after story of those who testified of healing and gave God all the glory you would attack it.

Lets see if you do really accept God or man:

man has a heart attack, while in the hospital heart stops beating. Doctor performs CPR and uses a defibrillators for 15 minutes the man has stopped breathing and heart has not started beating at the 17 minute mark a heart beat.

who did it ?

was it the Doctor or God
God the Doctor . He does not heal by human hands .
But non of these tongue speakers start by defining the kind of tongues they use and everyone of them including the snake handlers believe they are truly gifted by God.
The kind does not matter. Making a noise calling it a wonderment to confirm they are being filled with something is enough to self edify.

Confirming with poison is not a option. The death rate is 100 percent.

Signs follow. Look to the spiritual meaning hid in those parables .(2 Corinthians 4:18) Without parables the signified, poetic language of God as that which reveals the mysteries of God hidden from the lost....Christ spoke not.
 

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I could provide story after story of those who testified of healing and gave God all the glory you would attack it.

Lets see if you do really accept God or man:

man has a heart attack, while in the hospital heart stops beating. Doctor performs CPR and uses a defibrillators for 15 minutes the man has stopped breathing and heart has not started beating at the 17 minute mark a heart beat.

who did it ?

was it the Doctor or God
This is a far cry from .... "take up your mat and walk" ... or ... " Lazarus ... Come forth !". Nevertheless, God always receives and deserves the glory.
 

wolfwint

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again I do not claim Jesus can Heal today, the very word of God teaches us healing is done by God. So Yes Jesus does heal today. There are many documented medical testimonies for you to look at and mock and scoff if you do not see healing is done by God . Healing is part of the Nature of God Exd 15: 26 For I am the LORD who heals you." Exd 23:25
2kings 20:5
Ps 6:2
Ps 30:2
Ps41:1-3
Ps 107:20

mal 4:2

New Testament :

Matthews 10 : 7-8
Rom 8:10-11
1cor 6:12-14
james 5:14-16
3John 1:2

Healing is what God has always done and will always do. You attack the very word of God. In fact you did not even prove your assertion by the word of God it is your opinion. "healing meetings" is a name of a service where those who go hope to be healed FYI calling it a healing meeting does not make it so, as calling it a "revival" is not one if people don't get saved. it is not we have difference in scriptural understanding, you have not provided any.
In post 1477 you claimes that not all we're healed and gave me the Verses we're ihr Lord was in Nazareth.
What I found out is that in the gospels all who came to Him God healed. This is almost all mentioned in the Gospel.

You claimes that it is today as it was in the Time of Jesus and the Apostels.

But in opposit to the apostoilic Time, not all who comes to the healing Meetings and Search physical healing come
out healed.
There is obivious a different! This is simply a fact!

And nowhere i claimes that God not heals today!!!

My Impression is, that you not Read what I am wrote.
 

wolfwint

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I could provide story after story of those who testified of healing and gave God all the glory you would attack it.

Lets see if you do really accept God or man:

man has a heart attack, while in the hospital heart stops beating. Doctor performs CPR and uses a defibrillators for 15 minutes the man has stopped breathing and heart has not started beating at the 17 minute mark a heart beat.

who did it ?

was it the Doctor or God
I nothing said about healing in my Post. I mentioned signs and Miracles which we're performed through the Apostels!
These gifts are different to the Gift of healing!
Show me today the People who are have the Gift to perform signs and miracles/ Wonders like the Apostels did.
 

CS1

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This is a far cry from .... "take up your mat and walk" ... or ... " Lazarus ... Come forth !". Nevertheless, God always receives and deserves the glory.
then don't answer the question as it was not to you anyway.
In post 1477 you claimes that not all we're healed and gave me the Verses we're ihr Lord was in Nazareth.
What I found out is that in the gospels all who came to Him God healed. This is almost all mentioned in the Gospel.

You claimes that it is today as it was in the Time of Jesus and the Apostels.

But in opposit to the apostoilic Time, not all who comes to the healing Meetings and Search physical healing come
out healed.
There is obivious a different! This is simply a fact!

And nowhere i claimes that God not heals today!!!

My Impression is, that you not Read what I am writing.
your issue is with what is said I did not write " HE could no not mighty works because of their unbelief". I did not claim anything are you deaf? I said I believe Jesus heals today. And I did not say anything about "
as it was in the Time of Jesus and the Apostles." BUT I will tell you yes God still heals in that way yes HE does today. You limit God. The Apostles time is over because they are all dead DUH!!! BUT GOD IS NOT DEAD. HE still does what HE did then. AS the word of God states HE does. You are not going to limit the God of the Bible because you have not seen. Get out more guy.
 

CS1

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I nothing said about healing in my Post. I mentioned signs and Miracles which we're performed through the Apostels!
These gifts are different to the Gift of healing!
Show me today the People who are have the Gift to perform signs and miracles/ Wonders like the Apostels did.
healing was a sign Jesus said that raising the dead was a sign the Apostles did that. I see you did not answer my question . I will ask it again

I could provide story after story of those who testified of healing and gave God all the glory you would attack it.

Lets see if you do really accept God or man:

A man has a heart attack, while in the hospital heart stops beating. The doctor performs CPR and uses defibrillators for 15 minutes the man has stopped breathing and his heart has not started beating. At the 17-minute mark a heartbeat.

who did it?

was it the Doctor or God ?
 

wolfwint

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healing was a sign Jesus said that raising the dead was a sign the Apostles did that. I see you did not answer my question . I will ask it again

I could provide story after story of those who testified of healing and gave God all the glory you would attack it.

Lets see if you do really accept God or man:

A man has a heart attack, while in the hospital heart stops beating. The doctor performs CPR and uses defibrillators for 15 minutes the man has stopped breathing and his heart has not started beating. At the 17-minute mark a heartbeat.

who did it?

was it the Doctor or God ?
Why then Paul listet healing and wonder in 1.Cor. 12 as seperate gifts? (1.cor. 9-10.)


But to your question. It can be God alone, but it can also be God through the doctor.
An Unbeliver will say it was the doctor.
As believer I would say it was God.

In the Gospel and in acts the honor always was given to God.

But this has nothing to do with the gifts God gave in the past and today.