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See? God is God and we’re not.

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways my ways, says the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return there until they have watered the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and succeed in the thing for which I sent it.

- Isaiah 55:8-11
 
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Genez said:
You're waiting.

Your only purpose here is to disrupt and distract others away from having a constructive dialogue for better understanding truth of God's Word.

Tell me. Why did you volunteer for the job?
Does Satan pay that well?

I hear his wages are going to cost you more than you bargained for.

You're not even clever.

Maybe clever in the sense like the grinning guy who holds a gun to his head with only one round in the chamber,
pulling the trigger wanting to get people to react to his "bravery."

You may grow up some day. So stick around. You might eventually learn something... if the devil gives you permission to.

Wishing you a nice Day.
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selahsays said:
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

- Acts 10:34-35 (KJV)
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Righteousness has to do with justice. It is the equal treatment under the law. That's what it means that justice is blind and that God is no respecter of persons. Every individual must possess perfect righteousness to enter heaven. No exceptions. Every single person is dealt with exactly the same. Perfectly objective.
Fairness, on the other hand, is subjective. What is fair to one may not be fair to another. Those in the story of the landowner who worked all day thought the landowner had treated them unfairly. Those who started later in the day didn't believe they were treated unfairly. But the landowner never deals with the question of fairness. Why?
 
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selahsays said:
See? God is God and we’re not.

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways my ways, says the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and do not return there until they have watered the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and succeed in the thing for which I sent it.

- Isaiah 55:8-11
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Wonderful scripture, makes you want to call out to God 😊
 
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maxamir said:
everyone is indeed chosen either for salvation or damnation and the seed given is the Gospel which is an aroma of life unto life to some and to others it is an aroma of death unto death (2 Cor 2:14-16).

Before the foundations of the heavens, the earth, the seas and all that is in them which Scripture applies as being before time began (2 Tim 1:9) and before anyone was born.

Rom 9:11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
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yep we still have yet to discuss what God wanted to know before the fall 😊
 
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Cameron143 said:
Righteousness has to do with justice. It is the equal treatment under the law. That's what it means that justice is blind and that God is no respecter of persons. Every individual must possess perfect righteousness to enter heaven. No exceptions. Every single person is dealt with exactly the same. Perfectly objective.
Fairness, on the other hand, is subjective. What is fair to one may not be fair to another. Those in the story of the landowner who worked all day thought the landowner had treated them unfairly. Those who started later in the day didn't believe they were treated unfairly. But the landowner never deals with the question of fairness. Why?
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If I was you, I would not question my Creator. He is omniscient. When we deserved hell, He sent His Son to save us upon repentance. Our Father is oh so merciful. Is He fair? Amazingly so. His grace is all-sufficient.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
yep we still have yet to discuss what God wanted to know before the fall 😊
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God is truth, wisdom and knowledge. He sees, hears, knows and does all things according to His perfectly good will which He decreed before all things were made, so there is nothing that He wanted to know before the Fall, which He also decreed by causing evil to come into this world at the choice of man through the temptation of the devil to demonstrate His holy hatred of evil and to show His holy love in saving His people from that evil in Christ Jesus.

Gen 50:20 But as for you, you meant evil against me; but God meant it for good, in order to bring it about as it is this day, to save many people alive.
 
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maxamir said:
God is truth, wisdom and knowledge. He sees, hears, knows and does all things according to His perfectly good will which He decreed before all things were made, so there is nothing that He wanted to know before the Fall, which He also decreed by causing evil to come into this world at the choice of man through the temptation of the devil to demonstrate His holy hatred of evil and to show His holy love in saving His people from that evil in Christ Jesus.

Gen 50:20 But as for you, you meant evil against me; but God meant it for good, in order to bring it about as it is this day, to save many people alive.
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Hmm so your saying There is nothing that God wants to know.
 
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It is God who appoints people to believe (Acts 13:48), chooses who is to be holy and blameless (Eph. 1:4), chooses us for salvation (2 Thess. 2:13-14), grants the act of believing (Phil. 1:29), grants repentance (2 Tim. 2: 24- 26), causes us to be born again (1Peter 1:3), predestined us to salvation (Rom. 8:29- 30), makes us born again not by our will but by His will (John 1:12-13), It is God who draws people to Himself (John 6:44, 65), works faith in the believer (John 6: 28- 29), chooses who is to be according to His purpose (2 Tim.1:9), and who works all things according to His purpose (Eph. 1:11).
 
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selahsays said:
If I was you, I would not question my Creator. He is omniscient. When we deserved hell, He sent His Son to save us upon repentance. Our Father is oh so merciful. Is He fair? Amazingly so. His grace is all-sufficient.
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I've never questioned God. I believe the Judge of all the earth always does what is right. And you are welcome to give me advice. But Jesus began to DO and then to TEACH.
 
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maxamir said:
Is God omniscient or not?
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thats not the question .

What does this scripture mean



Deuteronomy 29:29

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29 The secret things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
thats not the question .

What does this scripture mean


The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law”
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what does this verse have to do with your statement that God wants to know certain things?

There are things such as why God chooses some and not others that belong to Him but the things He has revealed to His children in His word are sufficient for them this side of eternity.
 
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maxamir said:
what does this verse have to do with your statement that God wants to know certain things?

There are things such as why God chooses some and not others that belong to Him but the things He has revealed to His children in His word are sufficient for them this side of eternity.
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The verse says God only wants you to know, what he wants you to know.

So I'm asking do you know everything about God
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
The verse says God only wants you to know, what he wants you to know.

So I'm asking do you know everything about God
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I have everything that I need to know about God who is revealed in His Word, Christ Jesus who is the express image of the invisible God and the brightness of His glory become flesh to redeem His people and reconcile them unto Himself by His perfect life, death and resurrection and by grace grants them His Holy Spirit to teach and guide them into all truth (John 14:26, 16:13).


2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
 
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Cameron143 said:
I have spent a good deal of time clarifying my position. But given that you consider my communication skills to be deficient, what good would come from it? But having considered your assessment, I've decided to improve myself by working on my communication skills. But just on the off chance, albeit admittedly miniscule, that the problem may be on your end, perhaps you would look into improving your reading comprehension skills.
I'll work on my grunts and, perhaps, you can use your club to loosen a few cobwebs.
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That was unhelpful. I asked which part of my mirroring was incorrect and why. You either cannot, or don't want to, even articulate that to clarify your position. Do you want to be understood?
 
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maxamir said:
I have everything that I need to know about God who is revealed in His Word, Christ Jesus who is the express image of the invisible God and the brightness of His glory become flesh to redeem His people and reconcile them unto Himself by His perfect life, death and resurrection and by grace grants them His Holy Spirit to teach and guide them into all truth (John 14:26, 16:13).


2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
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that's still not the question, the scripture says the secrets belong to God.

I'm asking do you know everything about God
 
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PaulThomson said:
That was unhelpful. I asked which part of my mirroring was incorrect and why. You either cannot, or don't want to, even articulate that to clarify your position. Do you want to be understood?
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I would disagree. I found it very helpful, and insightful. You asserted that my communication skills were wanting. Yet you understood my last post completely. So my communication skills are fine. And you've shown that your reading comprehension skills are fine as well. So the problem lies somewhere else.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
So after a dozen attempts to get you to discuss the original suggestion, and over a dozen diversions from scripture after the fall, where still no nearer to talking about the original suggestion .

I guess we never will be at this rate 😊
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You realize before the Bible you read was translated to the English language it was first the "original Hebrew language" for this specific passage?

So, we do not go by what the English reads like, we go by what the Hebrew original words mean. Therefore, what you claim is wrong based upon what the Hebrew meaning states.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
You realize before the Bible you read was translated to the English language it was first the "original Hebrew language" for this specific passage?

So, we do not go by what the English reads like, we go by what the Hebrew original words mean. Therefore, what you claim is wrong based upon what the Hebrew meaning states.
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So your now saying the English wording of genesis 3 is wrong.

Ok so after all your attempts, like at least 10 or so, probably more to dismiss the suggestion that was made, which is why did God not want to know what Adam and Eve did before the fall,

Which does not stop God from being all knowing.

You finally come up with this. 😂
 
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