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Has nothing to do with me, cant you read ?
They dont believe because Christ didnt die for them as He did His Sheep Jn 10:26
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Believing in Christ comes with the fact He died for you. So if one never believes, its because He never died for them taking away their sins. See His Death takes away sin and its awful consequences 1 Jn 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Unbelief is the consequences of sin
They dont believe because Christ didnt die for them as He did His Sheep Jn 10:26
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Believing in Christ comes with the fact He died for you. So if one never believes, its because He never died for them taking away their sins. See His Death takes away sin and its awful consequences 1 Jn 3:5
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Unbelief is the consequences of sin
Yes I can read
He was talking to a group of people. Not the whole world.
You claim God chose you so you believe
You claim if God did not chose the person next to you, He will never believe
In essence. You say God respects you and not the other person.
You also claim your special. while they are not.
If anyone is having a problem seeing here, it is you my friend.
He was talking to a group of people. Not the whole world.
You claim God chose you so you believe
You claim if God did not chose the person next to you, He will never believe
In essence. You say God respects you and not the other person.
You also claim your special. while they are not.
If anyone is having a problem seeing here, it is you my friend.
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Jesus did not die to redeem all mankind from their sins. He only died for those that his Father gave him and he said that he would not lose any of them, but would raise them up at the last day (John 6: 37-39)
Jesus's sacrifice was to God, for God's acceptance, and not to mankind for their acceptance.
Youare ignoring the context. "Therefore" refers back to what is said before the therefore. What is the "it" that "is of faith, that it might be according to grace"?
Look at the previous few verses to find out.
"For the promise that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect. Because the law worketh wrath: for where there is no law, there is no transgression. Therefore IT is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be [d]sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”)
IT is the thing promised to Abraham, that he would be the father of many nations and heir of the world. It is neither atonement, nor Justification, nor salvation, in this context. The text you are citing here has nothing to do with the topic R C Sproul was discoursing on.
Being redeeemeed, being justrified and being saved are three different things. They are spelt different. They look different. The mean different things.
Look at the previous few verses to find out.
"For the promise that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect. Because the law worketh wrath: for where there is no law, there is no transgression. Therefore IT is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be [d]sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”)
IT is the thing promised to Abraham, that he would be the father of many nations and heir of the world. It is neither atonement, nor Justification, nor salvation, in this context. The text you are citing here has nothing to do with the topic R C Sproul was discoursing on.
Being redeeemeed, being justrified and being saved are three different things. They are spelt different. They look different. The mean different things.
The Bible speaks about believing and falling away under persecution (the seed in the stony soil) and elsewhere. Just because that idea conflicts with your man-made theories on how things work, does not entitle you to deny what the falling away texts say.
The tense of the verbs in the Greek text are very specific and have a pivotal bearing on the meaning of a sentence. You should not brush aside the verb tenses cavalierly, if you want to know what a NT text actually says.
The present tense refers to things that are happening in the present. You cannot apply the past tense meanings to present tense verbs. Present tense participles describe states and actions occurring contemporaneously with their governing verbs, whether past, present or future governing verbs. If one wants to know the timing of actions in a sentence relative to one another and relative to the main action of the sentence, one has to carefully recognise the tenses of all the verbs and participles in the sentence.
Sloppy parsing will produce sloppy interpretation.
The tense of the verbs in the Greek text are very specific and have a pivotal bearing on the meaning of a sentence. You should not brush aside the verb tenses cavalierly, if you want to know what a NT text actually says.
The present tense refers to things that are happening in the present. You cannot apply the past tense meanings to present tense verbs. Present tense participles describe states and actions occurring contemporaneously with their governing verbs, whether past, present or future governing verbs. If one wants to know the timing of actions in a sentence relative to one another and relative to the main action of the sentence, one has to carefully recognise the tenses of all the verbs and participles in the sentence.
Sloppy parsing will produce sloppy interpretation.
1 cor 2:14
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
According to this it doesn't say anything about not being able to ask
In fact it declares the spiritual body that is not saved can still hear God as it quotes he can still consider
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
According to this it doesn't say anything about not being able to ask
In fact it declares the spiritual body that is not saved can still hear God as it quotes he can still consider
Man made? Here we go.
My friend, your the one that says God saves a person KNOWING that person will fall away back to unbelief not me
The person on stony soil was never saved.. They never had true saving faith, hence why they never produced fruit.
They still do nt support you
Anyone reading that passage who is believing has been saved
It says they HAVE eternal life. If they can die for ANY reason, they do not HAVE eternal life.
You can;t have it both ways my friend.
lol. If anyone here is sloppy it is you
believing (present tense) has (present tense) eternal life
How can I have eternal life if I can still die? I can't
so you own argument defeats itself.
My friend, your the one that says God saves a person KNOWING that person will fall away back to unbelief not me
The person on stony soil was never saved.. They never had true saving faith, hence why they never produced fruit.
They still do nt support you
Anyone reading that passage who is believing has been saved
It says they HAVE eternal life. If they can die for ANY reason, they do not HAVE eternal life.
You can;t have it both ways my friend.
lol. If anyone here is sloppy it is you
believing (present tense) has (present tense) eternal life
How can I have eternal life if I can still die? I can't
so you own argument defeats itself.