predestination vs freewill

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OIC1965

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Humility and trust
Re. re Job 32:8…compare with Romans 1:19-22

Point being, ignorance is not the main issue. It’s not that God does not enlighten men, the problem is men hate the Light.
 

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Cconsider Romans 5:14 and 1 Corinthians 15:22
Have you considered?
Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those not having sinned in the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of the coming One.

What is that type? Of the coming One that Paul would refer to in present tense after Jesus had already come and returned home.

1 Corinthians 15:20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him.

Jesus didn't teach that we sleep after death, did he?
 

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See also Psalm 58:3
That is David's Miktam, not God's words, scripture.
Otherwise, if we accept all that David wrote we'd all have to agree we are conceived in sin. Psalm 51:5
 

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Re. re Job 32:8…compare with Romans 1:19-22

Point being, ignorance is not the main issue. It’s not that God does not enlighten men, the problem is men hate the Light.
Why do they hate the light?
 

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Have you considered?
Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those not having sinned in the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of the coming One.

What is that type? Of the coming One that Paul would refer to in present tense after Jesus had already come and returned home.

1 Corinthians 15:20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him.

Jesus didn't teach that we sleep after death, did he?
No, Jesus did not teach soul sleep.

The answers you are asking me for are in those very texts. Every human is either in Adam or in Christ.

If you remain in Adam, you will perish

If you are in Christ, you will never perish.

Federal Headship.
 

OIC1965

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That is David's Miktam, not God's words, scripture.
Otherwise, if we accept all that David wrote we'd all have to agree we are conceived in sin. Psalm 51:5
So you don’t believe David’s words are inspired?
 
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um? we if we be his bride, would be the new eve just as Christ is the new Adam dead to the world reborn in the spirit
 

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um? we if we be his bride, would be the new eve just as Christ is the new Adam dead to the world reborn in the spirit
Not at all the point Paul is making in the text I alluded to. Read 1 Cor. 15:22 in CONTEXT. It’s talking about being in Adam/in the flesh vs being in Christ/ saved/ in the Spirit.
 
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sure context so 3rd grade and that is ok scripture is also to be understood in Totality and even deduction like hidden treasure
Not at all the point Paul is making in the text I alluded to. Read 1 Cor. 15:22
 

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sure context so 3rd grade and that is ok scripture is also to be understood in Totality and even deduction like hidden treasure
Not at all the point Paul is making in the text I alluded to. Read 1 Cor. 15:22
Show me where Paul mention Eve in 1 Corinthians 15, and I’ll discuss it.
 

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It's not a sin to think.
I THINK that I don’t want to add things to a text in the Bible that aren’t there. The purpose and intent of Paul’s words in the passage are clear.
 
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we can be like our master.Afraid of pride?
good in our new form we will be perfect.It is a false doctrine to think we can never be perfected
 
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yea them in the now we simply be gods lips rather our own academic effort
 

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we can be like our master.Afraid of pride?
good in our new form we will be perfect.It is a false doctrine to think we can never be perfected
When did I deny any of that?