Preterism, Futurism, Historicism 3 Schools of Interpretation

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The method of interpretation an author
chooses normally governs the way he or she reads and interprets the
text.



the historicist looks at the course of history, and studies the texts of the prophecies.

Strong evidence must demonstrate that the scenes
and symbols in the text point to events throughout all of history.

The past, the present, and future are all considered but the approach does not change.
You do not become a preterist for past events and a futurist for future prophecy.
People that try to combine their approach end up confussed.
 

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The thing that I find most annoying is that the method of interpretation that so many use today has been invented by a Jesuit for evil purposes and made popular today because people don't understand the past.

The basic teachings of futurism started off as....
• Antichrist is an individual who will appear at the end of the world just before the Second Coming of Christ.
• The evil deeds of the Antichrist have to do with the Jews rather than the Gentiles. In fact, the Antichrist will sit in a rebuilt Jerusalem Temple.
• Antichrist will rule for a period of 1260 literal days.
• The fourth kingdom of Daniel 7 was not the Roman Empire and therefore the ten horns were not fulfilled in the Roman Empire. The fourth kingdom will be established upon the earth at some future period.

The teachings today are simular..

The devil was twisting the truth from the start. And now a huge portion of Christians are following these lies.
 

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Where will the millenium be?

EARTH OR HEAVEN.


Isa 64:4 For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.
The prophet here declares that “since the beginning of the world” men have neither heard nor seen, only seen it Adam and Eve in all its glory.

Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

But the Earth will be restored.
Sin will be fully removed. The exit of sin and Satan, and the removal of the curse is depicted in Revelation 20-22.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

The saved will dwell on a restored Earth with no more sin.

What about Heaven .... Jesus went there....
Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Joh 14:2
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Jesus is preparing a place for us in heaven.

“But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city” (Hebrews 11:16). Here we are told that God is getting a city ready for His people. He is preparing one now.

The fact is that there are 2 resurrections and those that are raised in the first go to dwell with Jesus...

The 2 happens at the end of the millenium and they are lost..

If everyone was raised at the same time it would be one resurrection..
Read Rev 19

When the heavenly city comes down to the Earth it is surrounded by the evil people that the devil has persuaded to attack.

Then the earth and all sin is destroyed and made new....

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
 

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This indicates a judgment at his return.

For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Matthew 16:27
This rewarding at His return requires Jesus to judge the works of the Saints.. This is the type of judgement that will happen upon the first resurrection of the Saints at the time of the return of Jesus when the saints will be resurrected to live and reign with Jesus on earth for 1000 years..

The parable below indicates servants being rewarded in relation to their efforts...

(Luke 19:12-19) "He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. {13} And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come. {14} But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us. {15} And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. {16} Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds. {17} And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities. {18} And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds. {19} And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities."
 
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When the heavenly city comes down to the Earth it is surrounded by the evil people that the devil has persuaded to attack.
Not true. New Jerusalem doesn't descend to earth until all rebellion has been destroyed. Then and only then will God, the father, dwell in our midst
 
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The method of interpretation an author
chooses normally governs the way he or she reads and interprets the
text.



the historicist looks at the course of history, and studies the texts of the prophecies.

Strong evidence must demonstrate that the scenes
and symbols in the text point to events throughout all of history.

The past, the present, and future are all considered but the approach does not change.
You do not become a preterist for past events and a futurist for future prophecy.
People that try to combine their approach end up confussed.
You are right. I try to follow the lead of Paul in 1THS 5:21, “Test everything. Hold on to the good.” I call his method "truthseeking". A truthseeker is guided by the question: What is most true or closest to the truth, especially the Truth of GW. The method for discerning truth is subjective logic that is made as objective as possible by learning from other truthseekers such as Paul, preferably via dialogue when possible.

As a result of seeking ultimate truth, I have come to value two NT teachings as key points from which to triangulate or use to guide my interpretation of the Bible, especially problematic statements.

First, God loves and wants to save everyone (1TM 2:3-4); Christ died to show God’s love and the possible salvation of all (RM 5:6-8) including His enemies (ungodly, atheist, anti-Christ).

Second, God is just (2THS 1:6a, cf. RM 3:25-26 & 9:14, DT 32:4, PS 36:6, LK 11:42, RV 15:3). Explanations of God’s Word should not impugn God’s justice and love for all people (JL 2:13, JN 3:16). I find this hermeneutic affirmed in the OT (PS 145:17): “The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.”
 

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You are right. I try to follow the lead of Paul in 1THS 5:21, “Test everything. Hold on to the good.” I call his method "truthseeking".
Praise God. But be careful, almost all of the most learned man missed the coming of Jesus the first time. They were so educated they could not see past their own veiws. pride and tradition mostly.

The devil is good at decieving people and most of the world will not understand the truth when Jesus comes the second time.

The Futurist teaching is extremely dangerous. When you study the history and how it came to be so popular you can see the devil working.
“Test everything. Hold on to the good.” "truthseeking".
Truth seekers are what the protestant reformers were and they studied the bible with a passion to find the truth.
They came to very simmular beliefs independently all around the world. And they very much rejected the futurist veiws.

They did not believe that the antichrist is an individual who will appear at the end of the world just before the Second Coming of Christ.
They did not believe the evil deeds of the antichrist have to do with the Jews rather than the Gentiles or that the Antichrist will sit in a rebuilt Jerusalem Temple.
They did not believe the antichrist will rule for a period of 1260 literal days.
and they did believe the fourth kingdom of Daniel 7 was the Roman Empire.

how could they have all been so wrong ..? because they weren't wrong they were right.
 

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You are right. I try to follow the lead of Paul in 1THS 5:21, “Test everything. Hold on to the good.” I call his method "truthseeking". A truthseeker is guided by the question: What is most true or closest to the truth, especially the Truth of GW. The method for discerning truth is subjective logic that is made as objective as possible by learning from other truthseekers such as Paul, preferably via dialogue when possible.

As a result of seeking ultimate truth, I have come to value two NT teachings as key points from which to triangulate or use to guide my interpretation of the Bible, especially problematic statements.

First, God loves and wants to save everyone (1TM 2:3-4); Christ died to show God’s love and the possible salvation of all (RM 5:6-8) including His enemies (ungodly, atheist, anti-Christ).

Second, God is just (2THS 1:6a, cf. RM 3:25-26 & 9:14, DT 32:4, PS 36:6, LK 11:42, RV 15:3). Explanations of God’s Word should not impugn God’s justice and love for all people (JL 2:13, JN 3:16). I find this hermeneutic affirmed in the OT (PS 145:17): “The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.”
there are 2

God is Love and mercifull and kind and forgiving..... Loving...
God is Just and true.

All through the ages these do not change.

But how is God able to be just and true to His law and mercifully forgive us at the same time...???

If He removes the law He is not being just. If He stays true to the law it requires all sinners to die.

The answer is in Jesus = Jesus paid the price so that the law did not need to be removed and God is able to forgive us of sin.

Perfect love and justice is found at the cross.
 

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Not true. New Jerusalem doesn't descend to earth until all rebellion has been destroyed. Then and only then will God, the father, dwell in our midst
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
 

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This rewarding at His return requires Jesus to judge the works of the Saints.. This is the type of judgement that will happen upon the first resurrection of the Saints at the time of the return of Jesus when the saints will be resurrected to live and reign with Jesus on earth for 1000 years..

The parable below indicates servants being rewarded in relation to their efforts...

(Luke 19:12-19) "He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. {13} And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come. {14} But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us. {15} And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. {16} Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds. {17} And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities. {18} And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds. {19} And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities."
To undersatnd the judgement you need to see the big picture.
"Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." John 1:29.

Moses was given a miniature blueprint of the great throne room in the heavenly sanctuary. His instructions were, "Let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them. According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle. . . ." Exodus 25:8, 9.
Moses had the exact specifications for constructing a wilderness church where God would commune with His people during their desert sojourn.

The portable tabernacle was roughly fifty-five by eighteen feet in size with a surrounding enclosed courtyard facing the east. The rectangular building was divided into two apartments separated by a heavy veil which extended from near the ceiling to the floor. The larger first room was called the holy place and contained three special articles of furniture -- a candlestand on the left, the table of shewbread on the right, and a golden incense altar directly in front of the veil.
In the second apartment, called the most holy place (or the holy of holies), there was only one article of furniture -- the ark of the covenant. This was a gold-covered chest of acacia wood which was to contain the tables of the Ten-Commandment law. On top of the ark was the mercy seat, representing the corresponding place in heaven where God's presence was manifest. A bright spot of glory called the Shekinah abode in that most sacred of all locations on earth. On either end of the ark were two carved cherubim of gold, one wing of each overarching the mercy seat while they gazed reverently down upon the ark and its contents.

Many say so what !
what has this to do with today....?
The requirements for this temporary structure were so exacting, and God command Moses to make it precisely after the pattern which he was shown in heaven itself?

God wanted us to understand what it was like in Heaven.. "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." John 1:29.

By shedding the blood themselves, they were constantly reminded that sin means death and that they could only be forgiven through the atoning death of another. It all pointed to the coming Messiah..

Then came the annual Day of Atonement when a final disposition was made of their record of sin in the sanctuary. It always fell on the tenth day of the seventh month and was called the "cleansing of the sanctuary." To this day, that solemn observance (Yom Kippur) is regarded by every Jew as a day of judgment. Symbolically a blotting out of the blood-recorded sins took place as the high priest, alone, entered the holy of holies to sprinkle the blood of a goat.

It is all important to help us understand how the heavenly system works. I'll try to explain it in the next....
 

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Daniel 8 opens with a view of the prophet serving as a prisoner of war in Babylon. Jerusalem has been left in ruins and most of Israel have been carried into Babylonian captivity. Although Daniel was forced to serve as a physical slave in Belshazzar's palace, his thoughts are now especially fixed upon the desolated temple in Jerusalem. He recognizes that the prophesied seventy years of exile are almost ended, and his heart yearns to see a restoration of the beautiful temple and its services.

In this setting, Daniel had a vision in which a ram and he-goat were battling to the death. Daniel 8:8.

Next in the vision, Daniel saw a little horn arise. To his amazement, this small horn "waxed exceeding great" and even set itself up against God, casting "down the truth to the ground."

Finally, in the vision, Daniel heard a conversation between two saints. One asked a question, and the other gave an answer which sent a thrill of hope through the captive prophet. The question apparently concerned the very thing Daniel was concerned over -- restoration of the Jerusalem temple. "How long shall be . . . to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?" Daniel 8:13. The answer was, "Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." Daniel 8:14.

When the vision ended, God sent the angel Gabriel to explain the meaning of what Daniel had seen.
Gabriel's explanation of those future developments were of vital interest to Daniel, the statesman, but his deepest concern was for the restoration of the temple. He wanted to hear more about the end of the desolation and the cleansing of the sanctuary. Anxiously he waited for the angel to explain the meaning of that cryptic conversation between the two saints. Imagine his disappointment when Gabriel dismissed the entire matter with these words: "And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days." Daniel 8:26.

"I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it." Daniel 8:27.

So Daniel began to pray for God to satisfy his longing desire to understand that part of the vision, the time period of 2300 days and the implementing of temple worship. Much of chapter 9 is taken up with the prophet's earnest prayer for God to forgive his people of their apostasy and to restore the beloved city and temple. "Cause thy face to shine upon thy sanctuary that is desolate . . . behold our desolation, and the city which is called by thy name." Daniel 9:17, 18.

While he was praying, Gabriel, "whom he had seen in the vision at the beginning," touched him and said, "I am come forth to give thee skill and understanding . . . therefore understand the matter and consider the vision." Daniel 9:22, 23. What vision was Daniel asked to consider? In which one had Gabriel appeared to him earlier? And which part of the vision had been left unexplained? The answers to these questions are obvious. Gabriel was talking about the time element in the vision of Daniel 8. We can now expect him to finish the explanation about the 2300 days, at the end of which the sanctuary will be cleansed.

Daniel was not disappointed this time. Gabriel immediately began to deal with that time prophecy. "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city." Two important facts are revealed in these words of the angel. The word "determined" actually means "cut off" in the original Hebrew. But what were 70 weeks to be cut off of? Remember that this is the explanation of the mysterious conversation about the 2300 days. So the 70 weeks is cut off of the beginning of that time table and is assigned to Daniel's people, the Jews, for a certain purpose. The next words of Gabriel reveal why this particular period was set up for them. "To finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy." Daniel 9:24.

We perceive immediately that all those phrases have to do with the Messiah. He was to come through the chosen people -- Daniel's people -- and the 70 weeks was a probation on the Jewish nation to see what they would do with the Messiah. In order to understand when this probation would begin and end, we must consider an important principle of prophetic interpretation. In symbolic prophecy, a day always represents a year. In Ezekiel 4:6 God said, "I have appointed thee each day for a year." The same principle is repeated again in Numbers 14:34.

This means that we are actually dealing with a time period of 2300 years instead of that many literal days. No wonder the angel told Daniel that these things were for "many days." The fact is that this vision constitutes the longest time prophecy in the entire Bible.

Sorry.... i can't summerize this any more .... if you want to see what the 2300 years means look at the next....
 

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But now we need to find out when this long span of years begins and ends. We already know what happens at the end -- the sanctuary will be cleansed -- and also that the first 70 weeks has been cut off for a Jewish probation. The next words of Gabriel begin to untangle the puzzle, "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and three score and two weeks." Daniel 9:25.

Now we have a specific event to mark the beginning of the prophecy. Gabriel explains that sixty-nine weeks will elapse from the restoration order to the appearance of the Messiah. Here the beginning of the 2300 years is clearly pinned down. The starting point is tied to the command of Artaxerxes recorded in Ezra 7:12, 13: "I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee." The full context of this decree provided for the rebuilding of both the wall and the temple of old Jerusalem. The date of that commandment is historically established at 457 B.C.

A bit of arithmetic will now unveil the actual date for Jesus to begin His ministry. The angel had said the Messiah would appear sixty-nine weeks from the date of 457 B.C. By following the Bible rule of a day for a year, this figures to 483 years and brings us to the year 27 A.D. Did the Messiah appear at that exact time? The word Messiah means "the anointed one," and it was in that very year of 27 A.D. that Jesus received His heavenly anointing after being baptized in the Jordan. The Spirit of God descended upon Him, and He went forth to begin His ministry as the anointed of God. By studying this prophecy, the Jews could have known the very year their Saviour would appear.

Now we notice a very interesting fact. Seventy weeks (or 490 years) had been cut off of the 2300 days/years as a special assignment to the Jews, and sixty-nine weeks (or 483 years) had been predicted for the Messiah to come. The sixty-nine weeks ended in 27 A.D. and one week later (or seven years) the Jews' allotted time expired in 34 A.D. In that very year, probation ended for the nation of Israel. They had rejected the Messiah and stoned Stephen to death. From that scene of martyrdom, a converted Saul was sent forth as the apostle to the Gentiles. Declared he "Seeing ye put it from you . . . lo, we turn to the Gentiles." Acts 13:46

Special attention should now be focused on that seventieth week, the seven-year span from the baptism of the Messiah to the rejection of the Jews. A very significant event was to mark the midpoint of the seventieth week. Gabriel continued his explanation to Daniel by describing when the Messiah would be cut off. He said, "In the midst of the week he shall cause the oblation to cease." Daniel 9:27.

It is recognized by all that the veil of the temple was ripped from top to bottom the very moment Jesus died (Matthew 27:50, 51), thus indicating an end to the sacrificial system. Type had met antitype. The true Lamb had now been offered and no more shadows were needed. So Jesus was to be cut off in the midst of the week to cause the sacrifices to cease. It is not hard to figure that the middle of these seven years would be three and one half years from either end. In other words, it would be exactly halfway between 27 A.D. and 34 A.D. Did Jesus die at that time? It is a fact of history that Christ lived to preach only three and one- half years after His baptism. In 31 A.D. He was crucified. What an amazing fulfillment of one of the most precise prophecies in the scriptures! Just as the prophecy predicted, the anointed One appeared 483 years from the order to rebuild Jerusalem.

Some have tried to separate the seventieth week from the preceding sixty-nine weeks of the prophecy, pushing it into the future and claiming a 2000-year gap between the sixty-nine weeks and the seventieth week. Not only is there no biblical basis for such wresting, but it would render almost meaningless the beautiful Messianic message of this Christ-centered prophecy. The seventieth week has nothing to do with any pre-rapture coming of Christ or the work of the antichrist. As a part of the seventy weeks, it marked off a period of test for national Israel concerning their relation to the Messiah. The assigned years have long ago been fulfilled. The Saviour was cut off in the middle of the seventieth week, and the Jews were rejected as a nation.

Next i will talk about the judgement... the cleansing of the sanctuary....
 

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The cleansing...
We note that a remaining span of 1810 years brings us to the end of the 2300-year prophecy. The terminal year is 1844 A.D. According to Daniel's prophecy, that is the date for the sanctuary to be cleansed. The prophet had eagerly expected the yearly Day of Atonement services to be restored in the Jerusalem temple, but now he could see that Gabriel had properly placed it far into the future. It was obvious that the prophecy extended hundreds of years beyond the coming of the Messiah.

But now we face a perplexing question. How could the record of sin be cleansed from the most holy place of the sanctuary in 1844? History reveals that there was no earthly sanctuary in existence at that time. The temple had been destroyed for the last time in 70 A.D. True! But was there another sanctuary besides the earthly temple? Indeed, Moses had copied the earthly from the pattern in heaven. It was the true tabernacle, and it was just as real as the two-apartment copy which Israel had fabricated in the wilderness. Therefore, it had to be the heavenly sanctuary which was cleansed in 1844. According to the type, or shadow, the high priest was to accomplish a final atonement or a work of judgment during that solemn annual visit into the holy of holies. The antitype fulfillment required the true High Priest, Jesus, to do the same thing in the pattern temple above.

The book of Hebrews assures us that all which was foreshadowed in the earthly sanctuary must be carried out in the heavenly sanctuary by the heavenly High Priest. "We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched and not man." Hebrews 8:1, 2.

Here is an important question: Did the prescribed services in the earthly sanctuary relate to the work Jesus would perform in the true temple in the heavens? Hebrews describes the Levite priests as those "who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God, when he was about to make the tabernacle: for see, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount." Hebrews 8:5.

Here the inspired writer explains why God required Moses to carefully copy the pattern revealed in the mountain. The earthly was to serve as an "example and shadow" of the ministry of Christ before the Father. By observing the work of the priest in the two apartments here on earth, men would understand the special intercessory work of Christ after He ascended back to heaven. In Hebrews 9:1-10 we read in much detail how the daily service and the once-a-year cleansing service was conducted in the earthly sanctuary, which was an example and shadow of the heavenly. Here, after describing the solemn entry of the high priest into the most holy place on the Day of Atonement, Paul wrote: "The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing." Hebrews 9:8.

Clearly, this verse is saying that Christ's ministry in the true heavenly sanctuary would only begin after the earthly had fulfilled its typical role as an example and pattern. When He ascended, Jesus entered the first apartment of the heavenly sanctuary as evidenced by John's description of Him walking among the candlesticks (Revelation 1:13). This fulfills the example of the holy place ministry on earth. When He entered into the heavenly holy place, He did not carry the blood of lambs or goats, "but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us." Hebrews 9:12.

But just as surely as He fulfilled the type of the daily ministry in the holy place, Christ also must fulfill the example of the most holy place mediation. Paul wrote: "Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation." Hebrews 9:25-28.

Do not overlook the connection of that word "judgment" with what Jesus does in the most holy place. He did not need to go in every year but only once "in the end of the world." His work of cleansing the heavenly sanctuary of the record of sin was absolutely necessary to fulfill the example and shadow of the earthly-type Day of Atonement. The biblical statement to this effect is unequivocal and undeniable. "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us." Hebrews 9:22-24,

It all comes together Jesus is the high preist and the lamb and He is judging today.

What was necessary? That the patterns in heaven be cleansed, just as the earthly was cleansed. But cleansed of what? The record of sin, of course. That record was made in the earthly tabernacle through the sprinkled blood. It is made in the heavenly sanctuary through the books described in that great judgment scene of Revelation 20:12, "And the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

When was the earthly record cleansed? On the annual Day of Atonement, or Yom Kippur, and it was called the great judgment day. When is the heavenly sanctuary cleansed? It would be cleansed when Christ our High Priest would pass from the holy into the most holy place of the temple above. When does the prophecy indicate that this cleansing would occur? "Unto two thousand three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." Daniel 8:14. Without question the 2300 day/year prophecy ended in 1844 A.D. What a solemn thought that since that year we have been living in the time of the judgment! Christ has now entered His most-holy-place ministry, and the record of every individual must come into review during this time of judgment ...

Someone might ask why such a pre-advent judgment is necessary. Why did Paul declare that "It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified"? Because the record of sin must be examined to determine who will be saved. Remember that "the dead were judged out of those things written in the books." This investigative judgment must take place before He comes to execute the sentence. At His coming the wicked are slain by His bright glory. A separation is made between the saved and the lost at that moment. Obviously, the books had to be investigated before that time to determine who would be saved and who lost.
 

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When Jesus leaves the most holy place, the final atonement has been made. Probation closes for the world, just as it closed for the Jews on the Day of Atonement after the high priest finished his work in the earthly sanctuary. Then Christ will lay aside His priestly garments and put on His kingly robes. Then the edict goes forth, "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he which is righteous, let him be righteousstill. . . . And behold I come quickly; and my reward is with me to give every man according as his work shall be." Revelation 22:11, 12.

Christ who was "once offered to bear the sins of many . . . shall appear the second time without sin unto salvation." At that time, He will not be our sin-bearer. His work as Mediator will be ended, and He will come "without sin" to bring His rewards and execute the judgment determined by the books.

What, then, has been the work of Christ since 1844? Daniel described the dramatic scene in these words: "I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened." Daniel 7:9, 10.

By studying the sanctuary service we can see how the Heavenly service works.. It all pointed to Jesus

Let us picture the beginning of that judgment as it focuses upon Abel, the first faithful one to die among men. When his name is considered, the record of his sins are exposed in the books, but by each one is found the word "forgiven." Abel had faith in the coming Redeemer and showed that faith by bringing a lamb for a sin offering. Jesus, the Advocate, steps before the Father, extending His hands, and presents His blood in behalf of faithful Abel. The record of his sins are blotted out of the book and his name is retained in the book of life.

The next name called might well be that of Cain, who also made a profession of faith in a Saviour. His sins also are recorded in the book of deeds, but there is no record of forgiveness beside those sins. Cain did not show faith in a divine substitute. Instead of a lamb, he brought fruit from his garden, and "without the shedding of blood there is no remission." The Intercessor longs to step forward in behalf of Cain, but He cannot plead His blood for one who sought acceptance by some other means than the atoning death of a substitute. Sorrowfully, Cain's name is blotted from the book of life and his sins retained in the book of deeds.
 
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Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Read a little further. The new Jerusalem descends after that

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Revelation 21:1-2
 
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Please define that view for readers. Thank you.
I think it means the lord will return to earth after the millennium (which makes no sense) and most prophecies have been fulfilled, but not all have, like a good portion of Revelation and a few OT prophecies about the day of the lord's wrath and some that stretch into the millennium (which makes sense).
 

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Read a little further. The new Jerusalem descends after that

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Revelation 21:1-2
Revelation is not chronological
Research it yourself...
The book is written in a chiastic structure.