PREVENIENT GRACE: AN ARMINIAN ERROR

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
T

throughfaith

Well-known member
#201
Aug 4, 2020
10,467
1,593
113
#201
Magenta said:
We do not have to be a Moses or a Paul to experience God personally. There is no need to assume anything beyond what Scripture tells us, and it tells us God has a plan and a purpose for our lives, and we can know Him personally, which is an inner experience whether you want to admit it or not. That is why confessing with your mouth is not enough; we must believe in our heart.
Click to expand...
I'm saying there are certain things that are given to certain spokespersons for God that are specific. Like Moses , Elijha, Johnah, The Apostkes , Paul , Peter ect . They experienced those things .
 
T

throughfaith

Well-known member
#202
Aug 4, 2020
10,467
1,593
113
#202
Magenta said:
We do not have to be a Moses or a Paul to experience God personally. There is no need to assume anything beyond what Scripture tells us, and it tells us God has a plan and a purpose for our lives, and we can know Him personally, which is an inner experience whether you want to admit it or not. That is why confessing with your mouth is not enough; we must believe in our heart.
Click to expand...
I agree we have to believe from the heart . Believing that results in Receiving Jesus. John 1.12
 
T

throughfaith

Well-known member
#203
Aug 4, 2020
10,467
1,593
113
#203
Magenta said:
He called himself a Pharisee of pharisees. He understood the law and the transition via the new covenant to salvation by grace alone through faith in Christ alone to the glory of God alone better than most.
Click to expand...
Paul does not know those things until taught after by Jesus.
 
Magenta

Magenta

Senior Member
#204
Jul 3, 2015
61,197
30,328
113
#204
throughfaith said:
Which verse says that?
Click to expand...
Acts 22:3
"I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but raised in this city. I was educated at the feet of Gamaliel
in strict conformity to the Law of our fathers. I am just as zealous for God as any of you here today.

Acts 23:6
Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and others Pharisees, called out in the Sanhedrin, "Brothers, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee. It is because of my hope in the resurrection of the dead that I am on trial."
 
Blain

Blain

The Word Weaver
#206
Aug 28, 2012
19,504
2,711
113
#206
Wow you all have been busy I see sorry for needing a break I wanted to keep discussing but I have to squint to read and I guess I over did it so I was getting a massive head ache
 
T

throughfaith

Well-known member
#208
Aug 4, 2020
10,467
1,593
113
#208
Magenta said:
Acts 22:3
"I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but raised in this city. I was educated at the feet of Gamaliel
in strict conformity to the Law of our fathers. I am just as zealous for God as any of you here today.

Acts 23:6
Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and others Pharisees, called out in the Sanhedrin, "Brothers, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee. It is because of my hope in the resurrection of the dead that I am on trial."
Click to expand...
Paul counts everything he knew before as ' dung 💩 Phil 3.8
 
Blain

Blain

The Word Weaver
#209
Aug 28, 2012
19,504
2,711
113
#209
throughfaith said:
After . Not as a pharisee. They didn't understand that .
Click to expand...
I am pretty behind but I believe he was referencing being a hypocryte as the phareses he was actually a very intelligent person he knew the law and was was an expert in greek as well
 
Absolutely

Absolutely

Banned
#213
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
#213
Corban said:
Absolutely! You won a big one there. I assumed something - that to fall to the ground presumes that you are not on the ground, but elevated. But there was no evidence of a horse. Hopefully it is not only a lesson for me, but for all, that we can so easily insert understanding into scripture that is not warranted.

My bad.
Click to expand...
You show quite a bit of character.

Thank you for your example
 
T

throughfaith

Well-known member
#217
Aug 4, 2020
10,467
1,593
113
#217
Corban said:
Absolutely! You won a big one there. I assumed something - that to fall to the ground presumes that you are not on the ground, but elevated. But there was no evidence of a horse. Hopefully it is not only a lesson for me, but for all, that we can so easily insert understanding into scripture that is not warranted.

My bad.
Click to expand...
I'm guilty too . I have my presupposition s I'm trying to constantly trying to recognise and eliminate.
 
Blain

Blain

The Word Weaver
#218
Aug 28, 2012
19,504
2,711
113
#218
throughfaith said:
I'm guilty too . I have my presupposition s I'm trying to constantly trying to recognise and eliminate.
Click to expand...
We all do and it is always wise to to recognize it and when we do God will eliminate it for us
 
Absolutely

Absolutely

Banned
#219
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
#219
Magenta said:
Affirming that God makes it possible for us to believe, which you disagree with, does not make me a Calvinist.

I am not Arminian either ;)
Click to expand...
I kinda see it that way too, purple girl.

Since you are 98.9 % correct 88% of the time, I suppose I am too!

I can call you "purple girl" ...right????
Just playing dude
 
Blain

Blain

The Word Weaver
#220
Aug 28, 2012
19,504
2,711
113
#220
Absolutely said:
I kinda see it that way too, purple girl.

Since you are 98.9 % correct 88% of the time, I suppose I am too!

I can call you "purple girl" ...right????
Just playing dude
Click to expand...
Purple girl:ROFL: Magenta is such a sweet soul she deserves a cute nickname
 
You must log in or register to reply here.