Pro-abortion insanity

[john832]

According to God it's murder or is that just the human word for it? Does God believe nothing else matters?

What a strange and unscriptural outlook. Here is what God says about plantlife and animal life...

Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Deu 12:15 Notwithstanding thou mayest kill and eat flesh in all thy gates, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee: the unclean and the clean may eat thereof, as of the roebuck, and as of the hart.

You may have certain views but don't confuse them with what the Word of God actually says.

 

[john832]

The majority of people have an innate since of what isright and what is wrong. Such as killing, stealing…. Even in the most godless societies throughout time laws were enacted to prevent certain crimes and law abiding people obeyed them. Romans 2:14,15

I just have to disagree here...

Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

 

[john832]

So rape victims are trolls. There's no way that I can read the Bible one way? I'm somehow less of a human being because I was raped? You're a horrible human being.

You are a victim of someone who deserves capital punishment but it is God who takes vengeance...

Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Please not the highlighted part. God will, not may or might, He will repay. Don't hold a grudge or hate in your heart, go to God and ask for the help you need to forgive and forget (sounds easy but I know it is not). We have a High Priest whose job it is to take care of, comfort and nourish us...

Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

 

[john832]

Can you show me the verse where a fetus is declared as alive from the moment of conception? I mean concrete proof that states abortion is against God's law? What Bible verse says "Abortion is murder"? Not guessing that it is because the fetus is "alive" but concrete black and white proof that God says Abortion is murder.

Exo 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
Exo 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,

So if the fruit departs from her body and the child is perfectly alright, then those who cause it will pay whatever is determined. If any problems occur for the child (i.e. the child dies) then life for life. It is a capital crime to commit abortion.

If the child lives but is impaired, as the verses that follow show, there is to be punishment for that.

 

[john832]

So if it's truly "thou shalt not murder", why didn't it just say that? If it says "kill" why wouldn't that mean "kill"? Isn't it just possible that mankind changed the meaning of the word? I mean, come on, we create new words all the time. It's the evolution of human language. Who's to say that the word didn't get changed?

After all the KJV was translated in 1611 and many words used then have different meanings today. Also, these guys were not God, they were fallible men who did their very best but it is not perfect. God, on the other hand has given us the instruments to determine what He really meant...

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

 

[john832]

I know you don't care at all about me or others like myself and that we're not worthy of breathing or learning about the Bible, but I pray that God will open your heart and let you trust others, just like I try to, and get burned still by people like you.

Whoa there, you are very wrong about that. Even though things are posted that might be abrasive to you, I am sure I can speak for the rest here, we care very deeply. You are very special. Your destiny is to be in the family as a sister of Christ.

 

[danschance]

Again, if it comes down to a mother will die during childbirth due to complications, how can you decide who lives or dies? Why does her life mean nothing?

There are always exceptions to any rule. In the case of a mother who is at risk of dying if she keeps the baby has the choice of what to do. When we are talking about abortions, we are talking about a pregnant woman electing to murder her baby because it is inconvenient.

Children are gifts from God.

 

[smithbr8]

There are always exceptions to any rule. In the case of a mother who is at risk of dying if she keeps the baby has the choice of what to do. When we are talking about abortions, we are talking about a pregnant woman electing to murder her baby because it is inconvenient.

Children are gifts from God.

However, to say that there should be NO abortions in ANY circumstance demands that these women die. I agree, it should not be used as regular birth control, but how can we say that all women are damned if they have an abortion or are whores, or are horrible human beings, and that they don't deserve to have an abortion, even if it means saving their lives?

 

[danschance]

However, to say that there should be NO abortions in ANY circumstance demands that these women die. I agree, it should not be used as regular birth control, but how can we say that all women are damned if they have an abortion or are whores, or are horrible human beings, and that they don't deserve to have an abortion, even if it means saving their lives?

For whatever reason, you seem to be attracted to the most extreme cases possible, like not eating animals or plants because that is killing. Here again you bring things into the discussion that are so far out in left field I wonder about your mental state. Women are not damned because they sinned by murdering their baby. They are damned because they rejected Jesus.

1) "I agree, it should not be used as regular birth control," Smithbr8
We can agree on this. I knew a young lady who told me she had 7 abortions and when she told me this she was in her mid twenties. She was upset because the doctor told her she might not be able to carry a baby full term because of all the abortions she had. To this day a woman can use abortions as birth control and the U.S. government will even pay for it.

2) "but how can we say that all women are damned if they have an abortion or are whores, or are horrible human beings, " SMithbr8.
This type of language is so off the wall I serious wonder if your mental state needs some professional adjustment. No one has ever said this about any woman on this thread but you. You either have some mental issues or who knows why. Please stop degrading women but this kind of hateful talk. I don't think it is funny, amusing or productive. Please stop.

3) "and that they don't deserve to have an abortion, even if it means saving their lives?" Smithbr8
I have already stated that if the mother's life is in danger, it should be her right to terminate it. I hope I don't have to repeat this a third time.

 

[ABjerre]

not all pro-choicer's worship satan

Negative. If you are not for God then you are against God by default. There is no middle ground.

Its hard to tell if you're serious, but i have a suspicion that you may be... How is it that you consider that there is no middle ground? That people cant be neutral in the matter of worshiping something?

I for one, am nethier for, nor against the Loch Ness Monster or Unicorns for that matter.

I am however very much in favour of not letting one persons religion limit the number of options avalible to someone else.

 

[Therapon]

Well folks, hailing Satan didn't work. The Texas House passes 20 week abortion ban!

 

[danschance]

Its hard to tell if you're serious, but i have a suspicion that you may be... How is it that you consider that there is no middle ground? That people cant be neutral in the matter of worshiping something?

I for one, am nethier for, nor against the Loch Ness Monster or Unicorns for that matter.

I am however very much in favour of not letting one persons religion limit the number of options avalible to someone else.

I would love to agree with you but those words are not mine. They come from Jesus.

He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters. Matt. 12:30

 

[john832]

I would love to agree with you but those words are not mine. They come from Jesus.

We sometimes disagree but we are in lockstep on this one.

 

[loveme1]

Well folks, hailing Satan didn't work. The Texas House passes 20 week abortion ban!

The difference between aborting at 19 weeks and 21 weeks? 2 weeks.. it is still aborting a baby.

 

[smithbr8]

Well folks, hailing Satan didn't work. The Texas House passes 20 week abortion ban!

Really.....People who consider the life of the mother if it's in danger worship Satan? If a mother will die during childbirth and a person believes that abortions should be legal under these circumstances worship Satan?

To others- THIS is what I mean. Why is it that if I care for a human being, Not saying the fetus is not a human being, but if it comes to choosing which life is saved, why is it "Satan-worship" to allow the person who has been alive on earth already to continue living rather than say "You must die". ? If all abortions become illegal, how many murder cases are there going to be when the mother dies? How will we as a society deal with that? You knew you could get pregnant when you got raped, and sucks for you that you're going to die in childbirth, but it's not our problem? That's more Satan-worship in my opinion. I understand people have different views, but really?

 

[Elizabeth619]

Really.....People who consider the life of the mother if it's in danger worship Satan? If a mother will die during childbirth and a person believes that abortions should be legal under these circumstances worship Satan?

To others- THIS is what I mean. Why is it that if I care for a human being, Not saying the fetus is not a human being, but if it comes to choosing which life is saved, why is it "Satan-worship" to allow the person who has been alive on earth already to continue living rather than say "You must die". ? If all abortions become illegal, how many murder cases are there going to be when the mother dies? How will we as a society deal with that? You knew you could get pregnant when you got raped, and sucks for you that you're going to die in childbirth, but it's not our problem? That's more Satan-worship in my opinion. I understand people have different views, but really?

This scenerio is used often, and it is very real and every pregnancy has a slight risk of this happening.
Tubal(ectopic) pregnancy is where the embryo grows outside the uterus(womb) the
Embryo developed in the Fallopian tube and a woman is at high risk if death if the pregnancy isn't terminated. As a matter of fact it's extremely rare for both mother and child to survive an ectopic pregnancy.

This is a far stretch but when God said "I knew you in the womb" I'm assuming it means uterus. An ectopic pregnancy is not a pregnancy in the womb.
Anyway, this is a very delicate situation where I know women who've gone through this. They all had pregnancies terminated. I don't judge any of them for their decision. If they were wrong to do it then they can be forgiven. I just know that if I was put in that position I possibly would do the same thing.
This is the ONLY situation where I feel termination MAY be acceptable.

 

[danschance]

Really.....People who consider the life of the mother if it's in danger worship Satan? If a mother will die during childbirth and a person believes that abortions should be legal under these circumstances worship Satan?

To others- THIS is what I mean. Why is it that if I care for a human being, Not saying the fetus is not a human being, but if it comes to choosing which life is saved, why is it "Satan-worship" to allow the person who has been alive on earth already to continue living rather than say "You must die". ? If all abortions become illegal, how many murder cases are there going to be when the mother dies? How will we as a society deal with that? You knew you could get pregnant when you got raped, and sucks for you that you're going to die in childbirth, but it's not our problem? That's more Satan-worship in my opinion. I understand people have different views, but really?

I have already answered this twice and now Elizabeth has also answered this. I wonder how many more times you will cart this tired argument out of your broom closet? Maybe I should use a larger font a different shade so you can comprehend it, even for a moment. Please understand this...........please, so I don't have to bring it up a fourth time. No christian here is saying that we should try to keep a baby if it will kill the mother. OK? Do you understand now?

 

[amdg]

The difference between aborting at 19 weeks and 21 weeks? 2 weeks.. it is still aborting a baby.

Yep, but it's progress and it's pretty much all they can legally/politically do.

 

[smithbr8]

I have already answered this twice and now Elizabeth has also answered this. I wonder how many more times you will cart this tired argument out of your broom closet? Maybe I should use a larger font a different shade so you can comprehend it, even for a moment. Please understand this...........please, so I don't have to bring it up a fourth time. No christian here is saying that we should try to keep a baby if it will kill the mother. OK? Do you understand now?

But there ARE Christians here who are saying that, and THAT'S what I'm trying to understand. I understand your point, I'm trying to understand from others.

 

[danschance]

The difference between aborting at 19 weeks and 21 weeks? 2 weeks.. it is still aborting a baby.

It would be great if there was a total ban on all elective abortions, but I will take what I can get. Any restriction is better than none.