problem related to praying in tongues

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Kavik

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the gift of tounges is also about interpreting.


27] If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

How does a person interpret is a more important question
Interpretation of languages ("tongues") is simply the rendering of language X to language Y - interpretation and translation are essentially identical; however, there is a subtle difference: the written word is typically translated, the spoken word is typically interpreted.

It’s one thing to speak another language but another thing altogether to interpret/translate.

If my native language is English and I learn German enough to be able to speak it to get by, it does not necessarily mean I can adequately translate; I may be able to get across the gist of what I’m trying to say, but to express the nuances, particularly with things like prayer, is actually quite a difficult task. From the experience of translating a few meal graces into various First Nations' languages, I can tell you that it seems maddeningly simple, but to get the nuance and feeling right is extremely difficult.

Given then the difficulties faced in translation/interpretation, it is not at all unreasonable for a person in a multi-lingual church situation to ask God for help so that the rest of the church can be edified through their participation.

"Interpretation" of modern tongues-speech however, is a whole other animal...

“Interpretation of tongues”, which goes hand-in-hand with ‘speaking in tongues’, may also be said to be a self-created phenomenon. Interpretation is a ‘spiritual improv’ of sorts, inspired by one’s deep faith and beliefs.

Interpretations are typically characterized by being inordinately longer than the actual glossic utterance, rather generic and non-specific in nature, and perhaps not surprisingly, open to multiple non-related ‘interpretations’. In other words, have ten interpreters listen to a glossic string and you’ll typically get ten different (typically unrelated) “interpretations”. In ‘tongues’, ‘The big brown dog is slow’, can also be ‘The small white cat is quick’. These latter two characteristics (‘generic-ness’ and multiple interpretations) do not suggest anything that is divinely inspired. It fails even the most basic tests and criteria that define ‘communication’ itself.

A common come-back to the multiple interpretation issue is that God/the Holy Spirit gives different interpretations to different people. As one writer put it rather succinctly, “Pentecostal Darwinism does not exist – there’s no mutation or transformation of one message into several for the sake of justifying what is an obvious discrepancy. If this were the case, it would completely eradicate the need for ‘tongues’ in the first place”.

Interestingly, there have been, I hesitate to use the word "studies", but for lack of a better word, that have been done where a (planted) speaker will stand, deliver a rousing paragraph in "tongues" (which was actually a real, rational language - I've heard it having been done using Medieval Welsh, Old English and a very broad Doric (Scots), and sure enough, in every instance someone stood up and offered an 'interpretation' of their 'tongues'.
 

shittim

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They are indeed, and dialects , the ones I know who learned what their language was, and there are several , it was always as a witness and to further growth in Him.:)(y):unsure:
blessings
 

Fundaamental

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Interpretation of languages ("tongues") is simply the rendering of language X to language Y - interpretation and translation are essentially identical; however, there is a subtle difference: the written word is typically translated, the spoken word is typically interpreted.

It’s one thing to speak another language but another thing altogether to interpret/translate.

If my native language is English and I learn German enough to be able to speak it to get by, it does not necessarily mean I can adequately translate; I may be able to get across the gist of what I’m trying to say, but to express the nuances, particularly with things like prayer, is actually quite a difficult task. From the experience of translating a few meal graces into various First Nations' languages, I can tell you that it seems maddeningly simple, but to get the nuance and feeling right is extremely difficult.

Given then the difficulties faced in translation/interpretation, it is not at all unreasonable for a person in a multi-lingual church situation to ask God for help so that the rest of the church can be edified through their participation.

"Interpretation" of modern tongues-speech however, is a whole other animal...

“Interpretation of tongues”, which goes hand-in-hand with ‘speaking in tongues’, may also be said to be a self-created phenomenon. Interpretation is a ‘spiritual improv’ of sorts, inspired by one’s deep faith and beliefs.

Interpretations are typically characterized by being inordinately longer than the actual glossic utterance, rather generic and non-specific in nature, and perhaps not surprisingly, open to multiple non-related ‘interpretations’. In other words, have ten interpreters listen to a glossic string and you’ll typically get ten different (typically unrelated) “interpretations”. In ‘tongues’, ‘The big brown dog is slow’, can also be ‘The small white cat is quick’. These latter two characteristics (‘generic-ness’ and multiple interpretations) do not suggest anything that is divinely inspired. It fails even the most basic tests and criteria that define ‘communication’ itself.

A common come-back to the multiple interpretation issue is that God/the Holy Spirit gives different interpretations to different people. As one writer put it rather succinctly, “Pentecostal Darwinism does not exist – there’s no mutation or transformation of one message into several for the sake of justifying what is an obvious discrepancy. If this were the case, it would completely eradicate the need for ‘tongues’ in the first place”.

Interestingly, there have been, I hesitate to use the word "studies", but for lack of a better word, that have been done where a (planted) speaker will stand, deliver a rousing paragraph in "tongues" (which was actually a real, rational language - I've heard it having been done using Medieval Welsh, Old English and a very broad Doric (Scots), and sure enough, in every instance someone stood up and offered an 'interpretation' of their 'tongues'.
scripture,

who can say they can read the thoughts of a man, unless by the spirit.

So scripture is saying the spirit in you will interpret the language of tounges for you.

In other words you will know it's from the spirit.

Telepathic signals from spirit to spirit.

It's a wonderful concept 🙂
 

Kavik

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No, sorry, it is not. By the very nature modern tongues-speech is produced, no two speakers will ever have the same "tongue". In addition, modern tongues-speech is not language which further makes it virtually impossible that two speakers would have the same 'tongue'.
 
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No, sorry, it is not. By the very nature modern tongues-speech is produced, no two speakers will ever have the same "tongue". In addition, modern tongues-speech is not language which further makes it virtually impossible that two speakers would have the same 'tongue'.
you are the best case example for someone possessed online in modern times.

you claim Holy Spirit does not give utterance in Modern Tongues, but you clearly ARE FILLED with a spirit that controls your mind!
 
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I don't believe you would be able to stand next to me if you were commanded to. them spirits would eat you alive if you got near a temple with GOD inside it!
 
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you think you know about Tongues, but you got no clue about Discernment. ironically, both Tongues and Discernment only can come when one is filled with the Holy Spirit of the Most High God!

something, you are far from!
 
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been here since 2017 and every thread you participate is about Speaking in Tongues.

so, you are not looking for Salvation, but to spread dissension.

interesting, how this SITE has allowed you to roam like this and do this.

that's ok, the leadership has been discerned as well!
 
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No, sorry, it is not. By the very nature modern tongues-speech is produced, no two speakers will ever have the same "tongue". In addition, modern tongues-speech is not language which further makes it virtually impossible that two speakers would have the same 'tongue'.
Both points are false.
 

Kavik

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Both points are false.
Could you provide an example where two people are speaking in the exact same "tongue"? By 'tongue' here, I'm referring to modern tongues-speech.
 
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Could you provide an example where two people are speaking in the exact same "tongue"? By 'tongue' here, I'm referring to modern tongues-speech.
you don't even know what OLD DAY SPEECH was like so how can you ever differ the 2?

you are missing so much and your questions have so many holes in them. it's just obviously STUPID!
 
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Could you provide an example where two people are speaking in the exact same "tongue"? By 'tongue' here, I'm referring to modern tongues-speech.
No. I do not know of any videos where tongues are recorded except for the outrageous examples on Youtube.
 
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LOOK at what Paul is saying here:
37 ...he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord. 38 If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized. 39 So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.


Paul says what he WRITES is a COMMAND from GOD and 1 of those COMMANDS is: and do not forbid speaking in tongues


God Commands us to Speak in Tongues!
 
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God also says: If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.
how many people, Christian people, from then until now, has not recognized that Speaking in Tongues is a Command by God?

I hope that is not a Salvation issue, but some kind of banishment, to not be Recognized by God!
 
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I Never Knew You
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
 
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to those WHO do obey God's Command and Speak in Tongues, we should be Praying for those who fall under the category of: If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized!