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Fundaamental

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I was raised in the Presbyterian Church, which is Trinitarian and Calvinist. I have not believed in either of those theologies for almost five decades.
is Trinitarian and Calvinist
I have not believed
in either of those theologies for almost five decades


so if not JW, Mormon?
 
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For the record, I am neither a JW nor a Mormon.
but you share same beliefs.
is this your own personal doctrine, that just happens to fit nicely between the idealism of JW and Mormonism?
 

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WOW WOW WOW

1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

really guys ?
 
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WOW WOW WOW

1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

really guys ?
why are you shocked?
someone claims Jesus ain't God.
War should have broken loose by now not some idiotic warning!
 
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but you share same beliefs.
I share some beliefs with JWs (so do you, FWIW... JWs trust in the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. So do I, and so do you).
I know very little about the Mormon religion.

is this your own personal doctrine, that just happens to fit nicely between the idealism of JW and Mormonism?
What I believe is straight from the Bible.
 
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1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

really guys ?
Yeah, things kind of got out of hand. Sorry if you're offended.
 
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I share some beliefs with JWs (so do you, FWIW... JWs trust in the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. So do I, and so do you).
I know very little about the Mormon religion.


What I believe is straight from the Bible.
i am just confused.

i get it, the idea of a trinity goes all the way back to the days of pagan sacrifices. the ancient Hebrew word for Elohim is SINGULAR when discussing Yahweh, but PLURAL when discussing pagan gods. i get it how it all points to. then the New Testament. but, in order to not believe Jesus is God, you really don't read a lot of what Paul wrote, do you?

you don't like Paul, do you?

it feels like his writings would conflict your doctrine.
 
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i get it, the idea of a trinity goes all the way back to the days of pagan sacrifices. the ancient Hebrew word for Elohim is SINGULAR when discussing Yahweh, but PLURAL when discussing pagan gods. i get it how it all points to. then the New Testament. but, in order to not believe Jesus is God, you really don't read a lot of what Paul wrote, do you?
I read Paul a lot. His epistles are addressed to the Christian church.

you don't like Paul, do you?
I've never met the man personally, so I really can't say. But I love the scriptures written by him.

Do you?

Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

1 Cor 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

it feels like his writings would conflict your doctrine.
On the contrary....
 
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I read Paul a lot. His epistles are addressed to the Christian church.


I've never met the man personally, so I really can't say. But I love the scriptures written by him.

Do you?

Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

1 Cor 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


On the contrary....
i was waiting for those. give me a sec and i rebut.
 
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Immanuel (which means, God with us)

how can Jesus forgive SINS unless He is God?

you call Jesus the WORD/LOGOS, but it even states the WORD is God

Thomas said, my God! and Jesus never corrected but reaffirmed by saying those who do not see but still Believe...believe what? What Thomas said, Jesus is God!

Peter wrote: To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with outs by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ
 

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i am just confused.

i get it, the idea of a trinity goes all the way back to the days of pagan sacrifices. the ancient Hebrew word for Elohim is SINGULAR when discussing Yahweh, but PLURAL when discussing pagan gods. i get it how it all points to. then the New Testament. but, in order to not believe Jesus is God, you really don't read a lot of what Paul wrote, do you?

you don't like Paul, do you?

it feels like his writings would conflict your doctrine.
another senseless argument.

That you've become highly indoctrinated in.

Which is kinda denominational.

And all be cause you can't accept It's the father who speaks in tounges.
Acts 2
The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
35 until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.”’[f]

The father said to son in heaven sit by my side.

Let's not use you singular abbreviation of a none pluralised word of elohim to denounce this.

Your magic mystery text isn't translated correctly.
 
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i am just tossing this out here because the majority of scholars believe that Enoch, the first couple Chapters could be considered Inspired by God.


Look what Enoch calls Jesus when He Returns:

1 Enoch 1:9 it is the “Great Holy One” (God) who is “coming with myriads of holy ones”

Jude, confirms it: “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones

even Enoch, knew the Messiah was the Great Holy One [GOD]!

Enoch, never died!

when you know the TRUTH, like Enoch did, you don't die!

you have to be good with God for God to give you such insight!
 
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another senseless argument.

That you've become highly indoctrinated in.

Which is kinda denominational.

And all be cause you can't accept It's the father who speaks in tounges.
Acts 2
The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
35 until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.”’[f]

The father said to son in heaven sit by my side.

Let's not use you singular abbreviation of a none pluralised word of elohim to denounce this.

Your magic mystery text isn't translated correctly.
David said that in Psalms!

if you think Jesus was lying to Moses when He said He was ELOHIM, YHWH, MOST HIGH GOD, LORD, YAHWEH, [[TO BE]]...then believe it!
 

Fundaamental

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David said that in Psalms!

if you think Jesus was lying to Moses when He said He was ELOHIM, YHWH, MOST HIGH GOD, LORD, YAHWEH, [[TO BE]]...then believe it!
The father the son and the spirit is equally yolked

The father has higher authority in some regards as the son having higher authority in some regards.

The son has every authority over us and God's creation.

But in heaven it's this

Then, when all things are under his authority, the Son will put himself under God’s authority, so that God, who gave his Son authority over all things, will be utterly supreme over everything everywhere.
 
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if you think Jesus was lying to Moses when He said He was ELOHIM, YHWH, MOST HIGH GOD, LORD, YAHWEH, [[TO BE]]...then believe it!
6 And He said, "I am the Elohim of your father, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob." And Moses hid his face because he was afraid to look toward Elohim. ווַיֹּ֗אמֶר אָֽנֹכִי֙ אֱלֹהֵ֣י אָבִ֔יךָ אֱלֹהֵ֧י אַבְרָהָ֛ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֖ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֣י יַֽעֲקֹ֑ב וַיַּסְתֵּ֤ר משֶׁה֙ פָּנָ֔יו כִּ֣י יָרֵ֔א מֵֽהַבִּ֖יט אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִֽים:

14 Elohim said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'" ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:


2 Elohim spoke to Moses, and He said to him, "I am the Lord. בוַיְדַבֵּ֥ר אֱלֹהִ֖ים אֶל־משֶׁ֑ה וַיֹּ֥אמֶר אֵלָ֖יו אֲנִ֥י יְהֹוָֽה:3I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob with [the name] Almighty God, but [with] My name YHWH, I did not become known to them.