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Tell that to the myriad tongues-speakers who frequently use it as 'evidence' of a heavenly language (i.e. tongues-speech).
Why compound error? You are wrong about much because you have no spiritual understanding and they are misinterpreting and need to do some homework.
 
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Oh no, I cannot agree with you on this point. The Bible is clear on this.

John 1:1-5 says,
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of mankind.


verse 14, “‘And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us; and we saw His glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 10:30 – I and the Father are one. (Jesus says that He is God)
John 20:28 – Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” (Thomas worshiped Jesus as God, Jesus did not rebuke him)


1 Corinthians 8:6 – yet for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. (The Father and Jesus are equally God, they are the same God).

Matthew 1:23 – Behold, the virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son , and they shall name Him Immanuel , which translated means, “God with us .”

2 Peter 1:1 – Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ (Peter says that Jesus is God).


'” John 8:58 “Jesus answered them: 'I solemnly declare it: before Abraham came to be, I AM.” [This was the name God gave himself when he first communicated with Moses, Exodus 3:14 “God replied, 'I am who am. ' Then he added, 'This is what you shall tell the Israelites: I AM sent me to you.

in verse 10 " I and the Father are one.”
31At this, the Jews again picked up stones to stone Him. 32But Jesus responded, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone Me?”
33“We are not stoning You for any good work,” said the Jews, “but for blasphemy, because You, who are a man, declare Yourself to be God.” ( Jesus claimed to be God)


John 5 "
18 The Jews tried all the more to kill Him, not only because He had worked on the Day of Rest, but because He had also called God His Own Father. This made Him the same as God.


Only God accepts worship, only God can heal, Jesus did both.
Thanks. I am very familiar with the Trinitarian proof texts.

I believe the Trinity is read into the Bible, rather than coming from the Bible. People were taught that God is a Trinity, assume it's true, and then shown all the verses that "support" it. But the Bible never teaches that God is a Trinity. Jesus said his Father is "the only true God" (John 17:3), Paul said that "for us there is but one God, the Father (1 Cor 8:6). Peter said Jesus Christ was "a man approved by God" (Acts 2:22). There are many more...

But thanks for the response.
 
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That is not true. CC doesn't ban people who do not hold to the Doctrine of the Trinity; they ban those who speak and teach against the Trinity.
Is a person allowed to present their reasons why they do not think God is a Trinity?

You may disagree, but that is no way to suggest or call the teaching of the Trinity Idolatry or be arrogant as to think you fully know all about the Divine Nature of the living God when no one can.
The ridiculous Honda analogy or those who think they can simply use a hard-boiled egg to explain the Eternal Godhead.

Lack of Reverence and humbleness when Speaking of God, the Holy Spirit, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

They all three are called God in the word of God.

Yet they are one. How can that be? Human reasoning can't comprehend that understanding, so they attack it. Lambast and mock.

Try to act so intellectually sound. What a joke.

and that's why they get banned.
Thanks..
 
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It is a terrible thing when one would try to bring condemnation on you to say it is Idolatry Because You hold to the word of God:

That Jesus is God, The Father is God, and the Holy Spirit is GOD, yet all one.
Again, Jesus Christ himself that his God, the God he has and the God he ascended to (John 20:17) was "the only true God" (John 17:3).
 
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I'm so very sorry but you are not going to correct the truth here. Yes, God is Spirit but He does not give away little pieces or wisps (since we are talking spirit) of Himself. That, is your error and not to be found anywhere in the Bible. There are spirits all around us in this world and we possess one ourself. The Bible also speaks of demons...also spirits. Since those things are true, why put a different spin on what scripture plainly states?
What are you referring to that "scripture plainly states"?

Well I don't think the position is to ban people who do not hold to the doctrine of the Trinity because I know people here who have been here a long time and they do not believe in the Trinity. The thing is, they don't insist everyone else is wrong and talk about it often so they don't seem to be trying to convince everyone else and change views or understandings.
As I asked CS1, to what extent are people allowed to talk about and defend their beliefs?

So you think creating a God different than the One in scripture
That's my point... The God in scripture is not a Trinity.

so people can better grasp His form is the answer to 'mystery'? You have a lot of changing of scripture to do then because mysteries are all over the place. I don't think you might get yourself banned over this if you don't keep harping on it, but the accusations against those who do not agree with you...ie idol worship...might do it.
Noted...
 
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I have personally found the narration concerning Jesus baptism to be plain as day. One, we have Jesus being baptized by His cousin in the Jordan, Two, we have a 'voice from heaven' ~ God the Father ~ saying 'this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased and Three, the Holy Spirit descending upon Jesus in the form of a dove.
You "see" the Trinity there because you're a Trinitarian. I see God, His Son Jesus Christ, the Messiah, and holy spirit FROM God descending on him.

I was not looking for 'proof' but I suppose there it is. According to what you believe though, it would seem God was Himself, Jesus and the Holy Spirit all at the same time.
No, that is not what I believe.

Of course being God, He could do that anyway but that is not what He is doing. Why represent Himself as 3 distinct 'persons' ?
Where does God represent Himself as three distinct "persons"?

Being God He could just have said from the very beginning that He is going to appear as 3 persons but He is only one. Then, there would be no questioning and no one would try to figure out the 'mystery' or be confused.
Yes, it would have helped a LOT if God ever even once described Himself as a Trinity.

Right. So then why didn't He just do that instead of leaving all the little ants on earth to confusion and debate? :unsure:
I think the Bible is very clear on who God is, who Jesus Christ is, and what the holy spirit is. Again, people were TAUGHT that God is a Trinity, assume it's true, THEN go looking for verses that support that belief. I submit that if people had never heard of the Trinity, and started out just reading the Bible, they would not come to the conclusion that God is a Trinity.
 

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From all my research many Christians feal it's heresy to claim Jesus is God the father.

This is a full in depth study.

https://bibleauthenticity.com/refuting-claims-jesus-god/

If anyone wants to argue with me, ask God, read the link and understand the dilemma.

I'm just saying it's unfair to single out one person like va, when by all accounts many Christians feel the same way.

You cannot be a Christian and not believe that Jesus is God. One of the earliest teachings passed down to use from the early church. It is a central doctrine of Christianity and all the church fathers believed in the trinity. When Paul told the lame man to walk watch what happened...

11 When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in the Lycaonian language, “The gods have come down to us in human form!”
13 The priest of Zeus, whose temple was just outside the city, brought bulls and wreaths to the city gates because he and the crowd wanted to offer sacrifices to them.
Acts 14 But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, they tore their clothes and rushed out into the crowd, shouting: 15 “Friends, why are you doing this? We too are only human, like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them. 16 In the past, he let all nations go their own way. 17 Yet he has not left himself without testimony: He has shown kindness by giving you rain from heaven and crops in their seasons; he provides you with plenty of food and fills your hearts with joy.”


When Paul and Barnabas saw they were being worshiped as gods they tore their clothes!! But Jesus accepted worship, why, because He is God!

Peter walked with Jesus on the water and began to sink. Jesus saves him and they get back in the boat and what happens?

32 And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. 33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

According to John in the book of Revelation, the angel that he started worshiping also refused to accept divine obeisance. The angel insisted that John stop and said, “Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God”

Jesus accepted worship, He claimed to be God. Titus 2:13 (NIV) declares that Jesus Christ is God, “We wait for the blessed hope-the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.”

The Jews understood Jesus was claiming to be God, that is why the high priests sought to kill Him and told Him so.

No, one of the earliest and most fundamental doctrines of Christianity has been the trinity. Unless you believe Jesus is God you are believing heresy and putting your soul in danger.
 

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From all my research many Christians feal it's heresy to claim Jesus is God the father.
Who claims that "Jesus is God the Father"? Nobody other than those who hold to Oneness heresy. Christians believe that Jesus is FULLY GOD. Do you?
 

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It is a terrible thing when one would try to bring condemnation on you to say it is Idolatry Because You hold to the word of God:


That Jesus is God, The Father is God, and the Holy Spirit is GOD, yet all one.

You don't win the argument by trying to bring condemnation to those who disagree. Many Oneness types to that. They are (many of them )legalistic, and controlling, and will accuse you of Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, who is God, when you leave their fellowship.
I have a question did God the father write tounges on the wall.

The king couldn't find any translator of any of all the languages, how was it only Dany boy could translate it.
 

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Thanks. I am very familiar with the Trinitarian proof texts.

I believe the Trinity is read into the Bible, rather than coming from the Bible. People were taught that God is a Trinity, assume it's true, and then shown all the verses that "support" it. But the Bible never teaches that God is a Trinity. Jesus said his Father is "the only true God" (John 17:3), Paul said that "for us there is but one God, the Father (1 Cor 8:6). Peter said Jesus Christ was "a man approved by God" (Acts 2:22). There are many more...

But thanks for the response.

No brother, I'm sorry, you're dead wrong on this point. My last post leaves no doubt. Jesus claimed to be God, His followers claimed He was God and worshiped Him as God. I don't know why you hold to this heresy, but you cannot claim to be a Christian and not believe in the deity of Jesus. Jesus was God. Whatever has blinded you I hope you will understand before it's too late.
 

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You cannot be a Christian and not believe that Jesus is God. One of the earliest teachings passed down to use from the early church. It is a central doctrine of Christianity and all the church fathers believed in the trinity. When Paul told the lame man to walk watch what happened...

11 When the crowd saw what Paul had done, they shouted in the Lycaonian language, “The gods have come down to us in human form!”
13 The priest of Zeus, whose temple was just outside the city, brought bulls and wreaths to the city gates because he and the crowd wanted to offer sacrifices to them.
Acts 14 But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of this, they tore their clothes and rushed out into the crowd, shouting: 15 “Friends, why are you doing this? We too are only human, like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them. 16 In the past, he let all nations go their own way. 17 Yet he has not left himself without testimony: He has shown kindness by giving you rain from heaven and crops in their seasons; he provides you with plenty of food and fills your hearts with joy.”


When Paul and Barnabas saw they were being worshiped as gods they tore their clothes!! But Jesus accepted worship, why, because He is God!

Peter walked with Jesus on the water and began to sink. Jesus saves him and they get back in the boat and what happens?

32 And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. 33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

According to John in the book of Revelation, the angel that he started worshiping also refused to accept divine obeisance. The angel insisted that John stop and said, “Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God”

Jesus accepted worship, He claimed to be God. Titus 2:13 (NIV) declares that Jesus Christ is God, “We wait for the blessed hope-the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.”

The Jews understood Jesus was claiming to be God, that is why the high priests sought to kill Him and told Him so.

No, one of the earliest and most fundamental doctrines of Christianity has been the trinity. Unless you believe Jesus is God you are believing heresy and putting your soul in danger.
Jesus is not the father and the father is not Jesus.

And I know I'm a Christians Thankyou very much. Jesus is currently in heaven sitting at the right hand side of the father. Answer that question.
 

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I have a question did God the father write tongues on the wall.
This is totally irrelevant. And it wasn't "tongues" either. It was Farsi, the language of Persia. But focus on the issue being discussed. Are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit all distinct from each other, and each one is FULLY GOD? No one needs to explain this. Simply believe it or disbelieve it. So do you believe it or not?
 

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This is totally irrelevant. And it wasn't "tongues" either. It was Farsi, the language of Persia. But focus on the issue being discussed. Are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit all distinct from each other, and each one is FULLY GOD? No one needs to explain this. Simply believe it or disbelieve it. So do you believe it or not?
You say it's irrelevant, if it was the language of Farsi why couldn't any other translator translate it,
 
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What are you referring to that "scripture plainly states"?
I referred to scripture. Many mentions of spirits. In scripture.

No, that is not what I believe.
You've made that plain enough.

I think the Bible is very clear on who God is, who Jesus Christ is, and what the holy spirit is. Again, people were TAUGHT that God is a Trinity, assume it's true, THEN go looking for verses that support that belief. I submit that if people had never heard of the Trinity, and started out just reading the Bible, they would not come to the conclusion that God is a Trinity.
Sure I was taught that but much further study would have led me to the same conclusion.
 
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26Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.”
27So God created man in His own image;
in the image of God He created him;
male and female He created them.

Who is the US then? Is He talking to Himself?

Not hanging around to debate this over and over. To me and millions of others, it's plain the Trinity is biblical. :giggle:
 

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You say it's irrelevant, if it was the language of Farsi why couldn't any other translator translate it,
I need to make a correction. Belshazzar was a Babylonian, and so were his astrologers. What was written was in Aramaic (not Farsi as I stated before, but then checked the lexicon and noted that it was Aramaic, the language of Daniel).
 
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You cannot be a Christian and not believe that Jesus is God.

Where is that in the Bible?


This is in the Bible:
John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

I believe that from the depths of my soul. Jesus Christ is my Lord, and I believe that God raised him from the dead (Rom 10:9).

One of the earliest teachings passed down to use from the early church. It is a central doctrine of Christianity and all the church fathers believed in the trinity.

That is debatible.

When Paul told the lame man to walk watch what happened...

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When Paul and Barnabas saw they were being worshiped as gods they tore their clothes!! But Jesus accepted worship, why, because He is God!

Jesus Christ is certainly worthy of worship, but not as God. There is one God, the Father (1 Cor 8:6), the one Jesus himself said is "the only true God" (John 17:3).


Do not forget that in the OT the king was worshiped (1 Chr 29:20).

Peter walked with Jesus on the water and began to sink. Jesus saves him and they get back in the boat and what happens?

32 And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. 33 Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

Yes, they were worshiping Jesus as the Son of God. They knew he was the Messiah.


According to John in the book of Revelation, the angel that he started worshiping also refused to accept divine obeisance. The angel insisted that John stop and said, “Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God”
Jesus accepted worship,

He did..


He claimed to be God. Titus 2:13 (NIV) declares that Jesus Christ is God, “We wait for the blessed hope-the glorious appearing
of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.”

This might help: https://www.revisedenglishversion.com/Titus/2/13

The Jews understood Jesus was claiming to be God, that is why the high priests sought to kill Him and told Him so.

No, they wanted to kill Jesus because he claimed to be the Messiah, which he was. If they had thought he was claiming to be God, they would have rightfully written him off as a lunatic.


No, one of the earliest and most fundamental doctrines of Christianity has been the trinity./quote]
The doctrine of the Trinity was developed in the first few centuries after Christ, and was legislated into Christianity at Nicea.

Unless you believe Jesus is God you are believing heresy and putting your soul in danger.
I do appreciate your concern, but I believe Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God (John 20:31). He is my Lord and savior and I believe God raised him from the dead.
 
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Again, Jesus Christ himself that his God, the God he has and the God he ascended to (John 20:17) was "the only true God" (John 17:3).
That does not make any sense; not even from a non-Christian perspective. It's gobbledygook.
 

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26Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it.”
27So God created man in His own image;
in the image of God He created him;
male and female He created them.

Who is the US then? Is He talking to Himself?

Not hanging around to debate this over and over. To me and millions of others, it's plain the Trinity is biblical. :giggle:
if God created mañ in his image then why aren't we invisible 🤔