Profanity from claiming "Christians"

[Runningman]

A lot more factors than just the syllables of the word come into consideration including who is present, the reason the words are being said, how it reflects on Christ, etc.

God might convict people depending what the reasons for something is and then other times not. Here are some considerations below:

If I get angry and start cussing in front of people or alone, have I done wrong?

If I am present with people who use cuss words in place of normal words (I've met people like this) and my only way to communicate with them effectively is to use their language, have I done wrong?

If I quote a laundry list of cuss words for the purpose of identifying which words are cuss words, so that I can teach others to not use them, have I done wrong?

 

[1ofthem]

...and those are some of the very same scriptures that God has used to REPROVE ME when I've gone over the line.

Yep, same here. Scripture is our Guide and God will use it to Reprove all of us if we allow it and don't just try to excuse it off.

Like I stated earlier, I'm not trying to judge others here, I have made plenty of mistakes and still do at times. There have been times that I didn't really want to admit my sin, and tried to excuse myself, but I felt convicted and when I honestly looked into the scriptures then I was rebuked and reproved. So all I could do was admit it, learn from it, and try to move up and away from it.

 

[Live4Him]

Luke chapter 6

[43] For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
[44] For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
[45] A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

 

[CherieR]

Or consciences that are seared with a hot iron, that are not violated by anything.

That would definitely be a problem.

 

[YWPMI]

Thanks! I had a "brain fart" and couldn't remember where that was! lol I'm old! waddya want from me?! ha ha ha

 

[notuptome]

I like the one that says people who use bad words tend to be more honest.

Mt 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

Here is the scripture on the matter.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[YWPMI]

and if we TRULY love Him as we tell others we do, then we wouldn't want to do any of these things. Right? is the point I was trying to make.

God knows I've made "mistakes" and certainly am far from His perfection! I was just trying to point out that IF we love God as we claim to, we would not even want to sin in any way.

 

[JohnDB]

A guy was taking his 3 dogs for a walk and stopped by my daughter's house (she lives across the street from me). I asked Hubby if he knew him, and he said yes, he's acquainted with him... "claims he's a "Christian" yet swears like a sailor".

If we claim to be "Christian's, we should ACT and Speak the part as well. Yeshua tells us to lay off profanity and unclean tongues, etc... and if we TRULY love Him as we tell others we do, then we wouldn't want to do any of these things. Right?

Your thoughts?

One of the few times Jesus was recorded as saying "Do as I say not as I do" was when He cussed out the Pharisees. "You brood of vipers" was not going to get Jesus elected as "Rabbi of the Year" award by any stretch of the imagination.

On top of this...
Most people don't own the hermeneutics to understand completely the explicit nature of Song of Solomon or the coarse nature of the books of Samuel.
Both are written outside the norms of public etiquette.

That being said...guys tend to use salty language for a variety of reasons. Humorous exclamation and nervousness are the customary reasons.

I'm not one to judge people who use such...as a construction worker it kinda goes with the territory. And it's usually my biggest fear on Sunday. Others are quick to condemn me for something that I don't realize I'm doing or think is bad to use.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Mt 15:18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

Here is the scripture on the matter.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

So ya recon that's about vernacular, or lies, hate, malice, lust and greed, which are conditions of the heart rather than white washed social constructs.

 

[Live4Him]

So ya recon that's about vernacular, or lies, hate, malice, lust and greed, which are conditions of the heart rather than white washed social constructs.

The simple answer to your question is this:

If Jesus wouldn't say it, then don't say it yourself.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Worty dirds are a social construct that spill out of pietism; which is a bunch self righteous tie straighteners who whinge on about offensive words while butchering God's word.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

The simple answer to your question is this:

If Jesus wouldn't say it, then don't say it yourself.

So God said ishmael was a wild ass of a man, and Jesus called pharisees white washes tombs, and vipers, and sons of hell, and other lovely things. I guess I'm good then.

 

[Live4Him]

Psalm 12

[1] Help, LORD; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men.
[2] They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.
[3] The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things:
[4] Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?

I get that the immediate context here is in relation to speaking vanity, flattering with one lips, and speaking proud things, but the underlying root problem is that people believe that their lips are their own, with no Lord over the same.

If you're one who professes Jesus as Lord, then give him your lips.

Instead, sad to say, I see some people here giving "a lot of lip" to those who stand for wholesome godly speech.

And so it goes...

 

[Live4Him]

So God said ishmael was a wild ass of a man, and Jesus called pharisees white washes tombs, and vipers, and sons of hell, and other lovely things. I guess I'm good then.

I previously said:

Our underlying motive in everything that we say or do must be to "minister grace unto our hearers", but, again, we oftentimes need to rebuke in order that others might truly repent and be recipients of God's grace.

When it comes to the vocabulary that we employ in this process, we must strive to be careful to stay within the parameters of scripture.

God/Jesus said some pretty strong things throughout scripture in order to hopefully awaken people to their true conditions, and I've similarly employed some pretty strong language in my own dealings with people over the years.

HOWEVER, unlike God/Jesus, I have admittedly crossed the line at times, and I've needed to repent myself after doing so.

If your desire is truly to "minister grace unto your hearers" while staying within the parameters of scripture, then fine.

However, if your desire is simply to justify your foul mouth, well, then that's another thing altogether.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

I previously said:

If your desire is truly to "minister grace unto your hearers" while staying within the parameters of scripture, then fine.

However, if your desire is simply to justify your foul mouth, well, then that's another thing altogether.

My purpose here is to shake off the bondage of false piety and offer the grace of Jesus and the freedom that is in him.

 

[Live4Him]

My purpose here is to shake off the bondage of false piety and offer the grace of Jesus and the freedom that is in him.

Actually, it seems that your purpose here (on this particular thread) is to accuse sincere Christians of "false piety" while seeking to justify your own foul mouth.

To each his own.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Actually, it seems that your purpose here (on this particular thread) is to accuse sincere Christians of "false piety" while seeking to justify your own foul mouth.

To each his own.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. While we are never given a list of words we are told not to judge in the manner in which you just passed judgement upon me.
I never said anything about sincere Christians I mentioned pietist culture.
But well there ya have it.

 

[CS1]

A guy was taking his 3 dogs for a walk and stopped by my daughter's house (she lives across the street from me). I asked Hubby if he knew him, and he said yes, he's acquainted with him... "claims he's a "Christian" yet swears like a sailor".

If we claim to be "Christian's, we should ACT and Speak the part as well. Yeshua tells us to lay off profanity and unclean tongues, etc... and if we TRULY love Him as we tell others we do, then we wouldn't want to do any of these things. Right?

Your thoughts?

AS a former sailor I know full well how to cuss as one. Yet there is a time and place for certain communication. Profanity is aha bit and can be changed in the Christian. Some people I know who have been saved not long ago still have these issues. God will work them out. But we are to ensure our language is seasoned with grace and love.

 

[Deuteronomy]

A guy was taking his 3 dogs for a walk and stopped by my daughter's house (she lives across the street from me). I asked Hubby if he knew him, and he said yes, he's acquainted with him... "claims he's a "Christian" yet swears like a sailor". If we claim to be "Christian's, we should ACT and Speak the part as well. Yeshua tells us to lay off profanity and unclean tongues, etc... and if we TRULY love Him as we tell others we do, then we wouldn't want to do any of these things. Right? Your thoughts?

Hello YMPMI, sadly, there are a lot of folks who "claim" to be Christian but are not. In fact, the Lord tells us that what we say/how we speak can be an indicator of who we really are (or are not) .. e.g. Matthew 12:34-37. That said, the Bible makes it clear that profanity and harsh language is unacceptable for true believers (in most situations anyway) .. e.g. Ephesians 5:4; Colossians 3:8.

Perhaps you should pray for your dog-walking neighbor (and even get to know him if you can), for his sake (so that you'll truly know how to pray for him .. and help him find the Lord if he is CINO).

God bless you!

--David
p.s. - along with my favorite verse concerning this issue .. Ephesians 4:29 (this is a blind post by me, but surely this verse has already been posted in this thread), here's a similar thought from missionary Amy Carmichael.

Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word
as is good for edification, according to the need of the moment,
so that it will give grace to those who hear.
Ephesians 4:29​

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[JohnDB]

AS a former sailor I know full well how to cuss as one. Yet there is a time and place for certain communication. Profanity is aha bit and can be changed in the Christian. Some people I know who have been saved not long ago still have these issues. God will work them out. But we are to ensure our language is seasoned with grace and love.

I know from myself when I was focusing on stopping coarse language that I was being vicious at times with my speech. And that bothered me more than the use of coarse language...

Meaning that coarse language usage doesn't necessarily involve mean spirited speech. A person can use perfectly clean speech but cut people to the bone and then beat the bones to powder...

So I am not going to beat people up for coarse language. Being mean and cutting though is more what Paul was talking about.