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Blain

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Well Scripture calls the fourth creature a "beast": After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth:
True but unlike the other three it isn't likened to an actual animal
 

loveme1

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Yes sister www.beastsmark on the main page click the large central # 666

May God bless you as you study His Word!
Thanks LGF, I was looking for any wisdom regarding the name of the man they will propose to be their king in the last days.. Obviously the evil rebellion is at work always trying to deceive and sun day worship for some really is worshipping the creation and not the Creator...

I still consider a system coming where religion will unite and dissolve itself in to one for it can because evil is one but appears in different places to deceive as many as possible..

The world will be a safer more peaceful place they will proclaim and to be allowed part of it you will pledge an allegiance to Him who will seem like a knight in shining armour at that time because much destruction will have come to pass.. but the Elect will not be deceived if they remember everything they are Taught by their Lord and Saviour unto the end.
 

MarcR

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Daniel 7 speaks of four beast. The first is a lion with eagles wings. Note:always take one statement at a time. Ok tell me how an eagle stays aloft?
Here is an excerpt from my commentary:
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3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

I see a strong parallel between Daniel’s vision here and Nebuchadnezzar’s in chapter 2; and, in light of verses 9-11, there must be both the obvious historical fulfillment, and an end-time fulfillment, which equals or supercedes the historical fulfillment in importance.

4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: The winged lion is a figure of Babylon, as is the gold in Nebuchadnezzar’s vision. Alternately, in modern times the standing lion represents Great Britain, the plucked wings represent the american revolution; and the Eagle represents the USA. (See: Da 2:32, 38, Rv 13:2.)
{Return to: Da 2:38, Da 2:44, Rv 12:3 }

5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

a second, like to a bear The bear is a figure of the Medo-Persian empire as is the silver in Nebuchadnezzar’s vision. The three ribs represent Cyrus’ major conquests: Lydia, Egypt, and Babylon. Alternately the bear in modern times represents Russia, Gog and Magog of Rv 20:8. (See: Da 2:32, 39, Rv 13:2.)
{Return to: Da 2:39, Da 8:3, Rv 12:3 } 6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl The winged leopard represents Greece under Alexander the Great; who was succeeded in part by Seleucus. The winged leopard is a figure of the Greco- Seleucid empire, as is the brass in Nebuchadnezzar’s vision. Alternately, the leopard. In modern times represents Germany, and the fowl represents France. (See: Da 2:32, 39, Rv 13:2.)
the beast had also four heads When Alexander the Great died, his brother and sons were murdered, and he was succeeded by: Seleucus, who ruled Judea, Syria and the East; Cassander, who ruled Europe; Ptolemy, who ruled Egypt and North Africa; and Lisymicus, who ruled what would become the Roman Provence of Asia. It likely also represents the four tetrarchies of the Seleucid Empire in Roman times. I don’t see how the four heads correlate with an end-time fulfillment; but that certainly doesn’t mean that they don’t.
{Return to: Jer 25:26, Da 2:39, Da 2:40, Da 8:5, Da 8:8, Da 8:22, Da 11:4, Da 11:6,
Rv 12:3 }

7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: which is a figure of Rome, as is the iron in Nebuchadnezzar’s vision. (See: Da 2:33, Da 2:40.) {Return to: Da 2:40, Da 7:19, verse 23 }
and it had ten horns, which correspond to the iron mixed with clay in Nebuchadnezzar’s vision. (See: Da 2:33, 41-43.)and, I believe, are a figure of both the ‘Holy Roman Empire’ of Charlemagne, and the charter members of the European Common Market of modern times. {Return to: Da 2:43, Da 7:20 }

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

I do not find a parallel with this in Nebuchadnezzar’s vision; but, I believe it represents the antichrist of (1Jn 2:18, Rv 13:18), and/or the false prophet of
(RV 16:13, Rv 19:20, Rv 20:10).
{Return to: Da 7:20, Da 7:24, Da 11:36, Rv 12:3, Rv 13:1 }

There is a link to my commentary in the about me section of my home page.
 
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You know I am wondering why the first three beasts are likened to an animal of some kind but the fourth isn't, I don't think it's a coincidence.
Do you know who the big three were during WW2?
 
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Here is an excerpt from my commentary:
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3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

I see a strong parallel between Daniel’s vision here and Nebuchadnezzar’s in chapter 2; and, in light of verses 9-11, there must be both the obvious historical fulfillment, and an end-time fulfillment, which equals or supercedes the historical fulfillment in importance.

4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: The winged lion is a figure of Babylon, as is the gold in Nebuchadnezzar’s vision. Alternately, in modern times the standing lion represents Great Britain, the plucked wings represent the american revolution; and the Eagle represents the USA. (See: Da 2:32, 38, Rv 13:2.)
{Return to: Da 2:38, Da 2:44, Rv 12:3 }

5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

a second, like to a bear The bear is a figure of the Medo-Persian empire as is the silver in Nebuchadnezzar’s vision. The three ribs represent Cyrus’ major conquests: Lydia, Egypt, and Babylon. Alternately the bear in modern times represents Russia, Gog and Magog of Rv 20:8. (See: Da 2:32, 39, Rv 13:2.)
{Return to: Da 2:39, Da 8:3, Rv 12:3 } 6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl The winged leopard represents Greece under Alexander the Great; who was succeeded in part by Seleucus. The winged leopard is a figure of the Greco- Seleucid empire, as is the brass in Nebuchadnezzar’s vision. Alternately, the leopard. In modern times represents Germany, and the fowl represents France. (See: Da 2:32, 39, Rv 13:2.)
the beast had also four heads When Alexander the Great died, his brother and sons were murdered, and he was succeeded by: Seleucus, who ruled Judea, Syria and the East; Cassander, who ruled Europe; Ptolemy, who ruled Egypt and North Africa; and Lisymicus, who ruled what would become the Roman Provence of Asia. It likely also represents the four tetrarchies of the Seleucid Empire in Roman times. I don’t see how the four heads correlate with an end-time fulfillment; but that certainly doesn’t mean that they don’t.
{Return to: Jer 25:26, Da 2:39, Da 2:40, Da 8:5, Da 8:8, Da 8:22, Da 11:4, Da 11:6,
Rv 12:3 }

7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: which is a figure of Rome, as is the iron in Nebuchadnezzar’s vision. (See: Da 2:33, Da 2:40.) {Return to: Da 2:40, Da 7:19, verse 23 }
and it had ten horns, which correspond to the iron mixed with clay in Nebuchadnezzar’s vision. (See: Da 2:33, 41-43.)and, I believe, are a figure of both the ‘Holy Roman Empire’ of Charlemagne, and the charter members of the European Common Market of modern times. {Return to: Da 2:43, Da 7:20 }

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

I do not find a parallel with this in Nebuchadnezzar’s vision; but, I believe it represents the antichrist of (1Jn 2:18, Rv 13:18), and/or the false prophet of
(RV 16:13, Rv 19:20, Rv 20:10).
{Return to: Da 7:20, Da 7:24, Da 11:36, Rv 12:3, Rv 13:1 }

There is a link to my commentary in the about me section of my home page.
Have you figured out who the beast is yet? And really I don’t enjoy answers that’d forty miles long.
 

J7

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Does anyone have any wisdom on the 666 clue? If Deacon is genuine then he may reveal something big here to you all, stay tuned.
I doubt it. His historical knowledge is lousy: Russia lost the war with Russo-Japanese war.
 
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Tell tell me you smart bunch of people what was the largest, richest, a most powerful nation on this earth and when did it die.
 
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#69
That head of the dragon has all ready com back to life. But can any of you tell me when it died?
 
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Here is an excerpt from my commentary:
The hyperlinks will not function

3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

I see a strong parallel between Daniel’s vision here and Nebuchadnezzar’s in chapter 2; and, in light of verses 9-11, there must be both the obvious historical fulfillment, and an end-time fulfillment, which equals or supercedes the historical fulfillment in importance.

4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: The winged lion is a figure of Babylon, as is the gold in Nebuchadnezzar’s vision. Alternately, in modern times the standing lion represents Great Britain, the plucked wings represent the american revolution; and the Eagle represents the USA. (See: Da 2:32, 38, Rv 13:2.)
{Return to: Da 2:38, Da 2:44, Rv 12:3 }

5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

a second, like to a bear The bear is a figure of the Medo-Persian empire as is the silver in Nebuchadnezzar’s vision. The three ribs represent Cyrus’ major conquests: Lydia, Egypt, and Babylon. Alternately the bear in modern times represents Russia, Gog and Magog of Rv 20:8. (See: Da 2:32, 39, Rv 13:2.)
{Return to: Da 2:39, Da 8:3, Rv 12:3 } 6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl The winged leopard represents Greece under Alexander the Great; who was succeeded in part by Seleucus. The winged leopard is a figure of the Greco- Seleucid empire, as is the brass in Nebuchadnezzar’s vision. Alternately, the leopard. In modern times represents Germany, and the fowl represents France. (See: Da 2:32, 39, Rv 13:2.)
the beast had also four heads When Alexander the Great died, his brother and sons were murdered, and he was succeeded by: Seleucus, who ruled Judea, Syria and the East; Cassander, who ruled Europe; Ptolemy, who ruled Egypt and North Africa; and Lisymicus, who ruled what would become the Roman Provence of Asia. It likely also represents the four tetrarchies of the Seleucid Empire in Roman times. I don’t see how the four heads correlate with an end-time fulfillment; but that certainly doesn’t mean that they don’t.
{Return to: Jer 25:26, Da 2:39, Da 2:40, Da 8:5, Da 8:8, Da 8:22, Da 11:4, Da 11:6,
Rv 12:3 }

7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: which is a figure of Rome, as is the iron in Nebuchadnezzar’s vision. (See: Da 2:33, Da 2:40.) {Return to: Da 2:40, Da 7:19, verse 23 }
and it had ten horns, which correspond to the iron mixed with clay in Nebuchadnezzar’s vision. (See: Da 2:33, 41-43.)and, I believe, are a figure of both the ‘Holy Roman Empire’ of Charlemagne, and the charter members of the European Common Market of modern times. {Return to: Da 2:43, Da 7:20 }

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

I do not find a parallel with this in Nebuchadnezzar’s vision; but, I believe it represents the antichrist of (1Jn 2:18, Rv 13:18), and/or the false prophet of
(RV 16:13, Rv 19:20, Rv 20:10).
{Return to: Da 7:20, Da 7:24, Da 11:36, Rv 12:3, Rv 13:1 }

There is a link to my commentary in the about me section of my home page.
I am checking you out my friend, who were the big three during WW2?
 

posthuman

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y'all sure this symbol of Babylon, a lion with eagle's wings, from a wall frieze in the citadel at Susa ((where Daniel actually was in ch. 8 v. 2)), has nothing to do with Daniel 7?

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posthuman

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the prolific repetition of this imagery all across the Assyrian/Babylonian empire is probably coincidence eh


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posthuman

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definitely completely unrelated, right?


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I doubt it. His historical knowledge is lousy: Russia lost the war with Russo-Japanese war.
The beast are the seven mountains, this has a tripple meaning: 1. Referring to the seven mountains or hills of Rome, 2. Referring to the seven types of systems of government, 3. Referring to the seven important nations of the world. The best quality of all these nations together mak up the dragon.
 
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#76
The mistake most people make is that to Daniel ch 8 was the present and ch 7 is in the last days, the far future.
 
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#77
I doubt it. His historical knowledge is lousy: Russia lost the war with Russo-Japanese war.
Who were the big three duringWW2. That’s who Daniel’s talking about. And my history is better than yours because I lived through part of it.
 

MarcR

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I am checking you out my friend, who were the big three during WW2?
That depends on perspective.

Without American intervention, England and France would have lost the war. From that perspective USA, Germany and Japan were the 'big three'.

USA Russia and China emerged most powerful. From that perspective they are the 'Big three'

From a cultural perspective England and France were most important to USA. from that perspective they are the 'big three'.

I can't answer from a Russian, German or Japanese perspective but I'm sure they would yield different answers.
 

posthuman

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did anything significant - in terms of whether it might be the sort of thing prophesied about the rise and fall of kingdoms - happen between ~ 700 BC and 1940 AD?
 
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Yes I probably would because I live through that war as a kid, where every thing was rationed, food, gas,and other things