Prophecy: answers to some of your questions
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i think you have some explaining to do first about why the very well known icon of the Assyrian & Babylonian empire - a winged lion with the face of a man - has nothing at all to do with the first beast that Daniel saw: a winged lion that was made to stand as a man.
then you should probably explain why you're asking about something that springs out of the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] beast in the vision as though it is in the past, when at the same time you are telling us that we are only now living in the time of the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] beast.
clearing those things up, which are foundational to what your'e presenting here, could in fact make the subject you're trying to switch to now, moot.
so can we start back there please?
then you should probably explain why you're asking about something that springs out of the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] beast in the vision as though it is in the past, when at the same time you are telling us that we are only now living in the time of the 1[SUP]st[/SUP] beast.
clearing those things up, which are foundational to what your'e presenting here, could in fact make the subject you're trying to switch to now, moot.
so can we start back there please?
the Pandyan empire of India is usually considered the longest-reigning empire in history, although China will argue the point & we'd have a nice long conversation about semantics and the difference between 'civilization' and 'empire' and 'nation' etc.
Quatar is currently the richest nation.
you could make the case that Israel 'died' and came back to life.
lemmee guess -- none of these are the answers you're looking for?
i agree that the prophecies in the Bible are primarily concerned with Israel, and for that reason empires in South/Central America, China & India for example, no matter how great or rich, nor how long they endured, have little or nothing to do with what was shown to Daniel. Jerusalem is always the focal point in scripture.
Attila the Hun and Genghis Khan for example each controlled more territory than Rome ever did, but the Mongols never controlled the Levant - so they are irrelevant in terms of Biblical prophecy. Rome did however - and that's why Rome is relevant, Greece is relevant, Persia is relevant, Chaldea is relevant, Assyria is relevant. if we skip all the way to America, who never yet conquered and occupied Jerusalem, as though all the kingdoms that did do this are irrelevant, are we being true to the Biblical narrative or are we imposing ourselves on it where we don't belong?
please inform us as to why a national symbol of regency for an empire that literally conquered Jerusalem that is literally a lion/eagle/man conglomerate has nothing at all to do with the national symbol of regency for an empire that literally conquers Jerusalem which Daniel describes as literally a lion/eagle/man conglomerate . . . ?
that's kind of a sticking point with me: there is a very obvious answer that fits perfectly. why not accept it?
we're obviously in need of you to impart understanding to us. why withhold it?
that's kind of a sticking point with me: there is a very obvious answer that fits perfectly. why not accept it?
we're obviously in need of you to impart understanding to us. why withhold it?
Jerusalem is the center of the world.
Israel is God's people.
The visions are shown with these in mind.
The visions show what happens to them.
The enemy gentile nations (outside the covenant), are shown as beasts (without reason toward God).
The last beast shown to rule Israel is the Roman Empire (Dan. chs. 2 & 7).
Israel is God's people.
The visions are shown with these in mind.
The visions show what happens to them.
The enemy gentile nations (outside the covenant), are shown as beasts (without reason toward God).
The last beast shown to rule Israel is the Roman Empire (Dan. chs. 2 & 7).