Prophets

[DiscipleDave]

Yeah no doubt...God forbid you actually take the time to go to the original languages to LEARN something new and or IMPROVE your knowledge a bit!

i studies Hebrew and Greek a great deal. All is moot. It is the Holy Spirit of God that teaches Truths to a person studying the Word of God, Hebrew and Greek are for the Hebrews and the Greeks. KJV is for the English speaking people in the world. Those who look to the Hebrew and Greek to reveal to them Truths, miss the mark, even as i did as well. seek the Truth in prayer, and in the Holy Ghost. DO NOT seek the Truth from the Hebrew and Greek.

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[dcontroversal]

Are we not in the last days? How is a modern translations BETTER? Modern = Those from the LAST DAYS Generation.

^i^ Responding to Post #95

Dude are you serious? The N.T. was written in Koine Greek...not the King's English....The Greek contains verb tenses that cannot be fully expressed in English and the Greek is way more expressive than the English translations will ever be.....so....not real sure what your point is..........!

 

[DesiredHaven]

How can something come to pass and not come from God? And here, everyone says that everyone else is contrary to scripture. If not, then who here is correct?

Read Duet 13:1-3

 

[dcontroversal]

i studies Hebrew and Greek a great deal. All is moot. It is the Holy Spirit of God that teaches Truths to a person studying the Word of God, Hebrew and Greek are for the Hebrews and the Greeks. KJV is for the English speaking people in the world. Those who look to the Hebrew and Greek to reveal to them Truths, miss the mark, even as i did as well. seek the Truth in prayer, and in the Holy Ghost. DO NOT seek the Truth from the Hebrew and Greek.

^i^ Responding to Post #100

No offence diamond dave, but this reeks of ignorance...FAITH cometh by HEARING and hearing by the WORD of GOD...to say that one cannot glean truth by using all avaliable tools, including a study of the Greek and Hebrew reeks of ignorance..........!

 

[DiscipleDave]

DiscipleDave said

That statement is NOT teaching there are no longer any prophets. If that is what you believe then your belief is in error. The Bible itself teaches that there were prophets even after John the Baptist. The Apostle Paul even taught us what order the Prophets should be placed in the Church. if you understand that the above statement means there are no more prophets, then do you discard all the verses which teach there is prophets? do you discard the verses that one of the gifts of the Holy Ghost is the Gift of prophesy, Strange that the Holy Ghost would give out the gift of prophesy if there are no prophets to give those prophesies. You do error in not understanding that when Jesus said the Law and the prophets were until John, He was most assuredly referring to All the law and prophets concerning Himself, and His death and resurrection. There are no more prophesies concerning Jesus Christ death and resurrection after JOHN the Baptist, Because Jesus fulfilled all of them, there are no more prophesies concerning His death and resurrection. He said "It is finished"
But you do error in saying there are no more prophets because Jesus said that statement above.

This coming from someone who states that they carry on conversations with God, have been told we will all get our own planet and a few other such things of like caliber and order....maybe know what I actually believe before you start assuming and accusing home slice!

You would really freak out if i said it comes with your own galaxy too. It is impossible for finite minds to comprehend what God has in store for His Immortal Saints. Is it not True that in general the prophets are not believed? In general are they not killed because of what they teach? And here is something to consider also. What if God DID tell me we get our own planets to design and form as we see fit, and you just mocked me for telling you what He told me, How do you think He would react to you? He would love you anyways, despite your mocking.

You say

maybe know what I actually believe before you start assuming and accusing home slice

i have read all your posts, brother, you believe there are no more prophets after John the Baptist, and you believe that so hard, that no amount of Scriptures are going to persuade you otherwise, i know, i have read all the other posts as well. And you now accuse me of accusing you. Tell me, can you show me one thing where i have accused YOU? You can't because i have not done that, so who is accusing who? And since when does a True Christian call names. The name Home Slice, i know not what it means, nor does it sound very nice, please refrain from name calling, call me Brother, or call me Dave, if that is not asking to much.

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[TrueFire]

Read Duet 13:1-3

Deuteronomy 13

13 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

 

[DiscipleDave]

DiscipleDave said

Scriptures teach us how you can tell a false prophet.

1) if what they say does not come to pass
and
2) if what they say contradicts Scriptures

You test them by seeing if what they say comes to pass and by what they are saying if it contradicts the Word of God.

Anyone who professes to hear from God and teach things that are contrary to Scriptures is a false prophet. This is the True way to tell a false prophet. Many false prophets can predict the future, that is to say what they say a great percentage of the time comes to pass, This is because they have the spirit of divination. But all spirits of divination have their own agenda, you can see this agenda by the words that are spoken by the one who has said spirit, their words will be contradictory to Scriptures.

How can something come to pass and not come from God? And here, everyone says that everyone else is contrary to scripture. If not, then who here is correct?

Do you seriously think satan does not know what is to come to pass, He knows the Bible better than we do. He knows what is to come to pass, He is given the power to make things come to pass as well.
For example a demon can reveal to physic to tell a woman that she will meat a brown haired man with blue eye within a week, and fall head over heels in love. And lo and behold because the woman puts faith in the soothsayer, satan is able to make it come to pass exactly as foretold. So even though it came to pass, it was NOT from God.
You would do well to understand your enemy. If you don't think he knows the future and what is to come, you will be more easily duped by him.

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[DiscipleDave]

Dude are you serious? The N.T. was written in Koine Greek...not the King's English....The Greek contains verb tenses that cannot be fully expressed in English and the Greek is way more expressive than the English translations will ever be.....so....not real sure what your point is..........!

Tell me, why do you think Jesus choice unlearned men, instead of learned men to be His Apostles?

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[DiscipleDave]

. .. . . . . .. . and the Greek is way more expressive than the English translations will ever be.... . . .. .........!

And it is that very reason, that makes it a problem. a single word in English, pretty much means what it says, you take that same word to the Hebrew and/or Greek and it can now have multiple meanings to pick and choose from, and ievitably people will always choose the meaning that most fits with their own belief. You don't see a problem with that?

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[DiscipleDave]

No offence diamond dave, ..........!

Again with the name calling?

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[TrueFire]

Deuteronomy 13

13 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Here we see that one is a prophet, although false. What he spoke however has come to pass. Why? Because God gave him that power to test us, and whether we love the Lord our God with all our heart and soul.

What did this prophet do with this power? Deceived those who was being tested to follow after other gods!

 

[dcontroversal]

DiscipleDave said



You would really freak out if i said it comes with your own galaxy too. It is impossible for finite minds to comprehend what God has in store for His Immortal Saints. Is it not True that in general the prophets are not believed? In general are they not killed because of what they teach? And here is something to consider also. What if God DID tell me we get our own planets to design and form as we see fit, and you just mocked me for telling you what He told me, How do you think He would react to you? He would love you anyways, despite your mocking.

You say i have read all your posts, brother, you believe there are no more prophets after John the Baptist, and you believe that so hard, that no amount of Scriptures are going to persuade you otherwise, i know, i have read all the other posts as well. And you now accuse me of accusing you. Tell me, can you show me one thing where i have accused YOU? You can't because i have not done that, so who is accusing who? And since when does a True Christian call names. The name Home Slice, i know not what it means, nor does it sound very nice, please refrain from name calling, call me Brother, or call me Dave, if that is not asking to much.

^i^ Responding to Post #136

Fair enough and no offence meant.....as far as prophets Go....I believe the word is misapplied, I believe that many claim this office and or ability and at the end of the day are full of it....It is evident that many claim the ability to speak in tongues, heal and or exercise the role of a prophet and at the end of the day are heretical liars, proven wrong and or fakes.......I believe many take the bible and twist what is states and or makes predictions that have already been predicted.......The bible requires two to three witnesses when bringing a charge against someone and when it comes to the word of God almost everything if not everything is proven by two or more witnesses.....The bible states clearly that the heavens and the earth that Now ARE will flee from the face of God and NO more PLACE shall be found for them.....it does not say that we will get our own PLANET..........!

 

[DesiredHaven]

Deuteronomy 13

13 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,
2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

These two speak the same

Duet 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,


Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Second half of Duet 13:1

Duet 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

Duet 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams:

Reason given for this is ...

For the LORD your God proveth you, to know whetherye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Who loveth Him not?

John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Abide in me and my words in you, he that abides not is cast forth as a branch and men gather them and they are burned, likewise it says...

Psalm 125:5 As for such as turn aside unto their crooked ways, the LORD shall lead them forth with the workers of iniquity: but peace shall be upon Israel.

Signs, or wonders, miracles, which come to pass (or given the power to do) but say let us follow other gods do not hearken to

Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Lying spirit in Kings was sent, but so also these in various combinations

Duet 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

2Thes 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

 

[DiscipleDave]

DiscipleDave said

i studies Hebrew and Greek a great deal. All is moot. It is the Holy Spirit of God that teaches Truths to a person studying the Word of God, Hebrew and Greek are for the Hebrews and the Greeks. KJV is for the English speaking people in the world. Those who look to the Hebrew and Greek to reveal to them Truths, miss the mark, even as i did as well. seek the Truth in prayer, and in the Holy Ghost. DO NOT seek the Truth from the Hebrew and Greek.

No offence diamond dave, but this reeks of ignorance...FAITH cometh by HEARING and hearing by the WORD of GOD...to say that one cannot glean truth by using all avaliable tools, including a study of the Greek and Hebrew reeks of ignorance..........!

Did i say one can't glean some Truths by using all available tools? i have never said you can't, where does this thought come from then, if i have not said that. i only said and still remain saying, that all one needs to come to the Truth is the Word of God, prayer, and the Holy Ghost. Can a person learn from the Hebrew and Greek? sure. Can they learn Truths from reading other Christian books and magazines? Sure. Can they learn Truths from listening to preacher, or Christian talk radio? Sure. The Problem is not those outside sources. The problem is people teaching others that they MUST go to those outside sources in order to come to the Truth. You keep saying to these people, you need to take that word to the Hebrew and Greek? For what, so they can believe as you do? They do not NEED to go the Hebrew or the Greek to understand the Truths of God, sure they can learn some things from it, but it is not necessary or even relevant for one to do so. God did not design the Word of God is a way that one has to become learned in order to grasp His Truths. God made His word so simple and easy to understand that even children can understand it.
When does a person take a verse to the Hebrew and/or Greek? i will tell you when, when they read a verse they do not agree with, is when they will take the verse to the Hebrew and/or Greek to choose which meaning they will agree with and believe.
a perfect example can be found in this thread with you. You do not believe prophets exist today, so when all these people show you verse after verse saying they are here after John the Baptist, you still do not believe. One poster over and over again posts about the two witnesses, which the Word of God testifies that they prophesy. you, because you don't believe that word to mean what that word plainly says and teaches, inform everyone that they should take the word to the original Greek in order for everyone to understand the Truth concerning that word as YOU see it.
Here is the Truth. The Word of God says they prophesy, so i assure you they do exactly that. you don't need to take that word to the Hebrew or Greek, you should just merely believe it, and what it says.
Here is a thought, instead of changing the Word of God (by using Hebrew and Greek) to fit your belief, how about changing your belief to fit with what Scriptures plainly teach (Hebrew and Greek not needed)?

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[dcontroversal]

And it is that very reason, that makes it a problem. a single word in English, pretty much means what it says, you take that same word to the Hebrew and/or Greek and it can now have multiple meanings to pick and choose from, and ievitably people will always choose the meaning that most fits with their own belief. You don't see a problem with that?

^i^ Responding to Post #142

I think you have this backwards.....how many different meanings does the word cool have? In Greek it would have one root word and a different ending for each application of the word....if you studied Greek you should know this......!

 

[dcontroversal]

Again with the name calling?

^i^ Responding to Post #144

Don't be so easily offended DAVE........a sure sign of spiritual maturity is not being so easily offended brother as no offence is meant.....MAN....if people today cannot handle a little heat, what will they do when it really hits the fan in the near future.....FOLD and sell out to the beast and his kingdom?

 

[dcontroversal]

DiscipleDave said



Did i say one can't glean some Truths by using all available tools? i have never said you can't, where does this thought come from then, if i have not said that. i only said and still remain saying, that all one needs to come to the Truth is the Word of God, prayer, and the Holy Ghost. Can a person learn from the Hebrew and Greek? sure. Can they learn Truths from reading other Christian books and magazines? Sure. Can they learn Truths from listening to preacher, or Christian talk radio? Sure. The Problem is not those outside sources. The problem is people teaching others that they MUST go to those outside sources in order to come to the Truth. You keep saying to these people, you need to take that word to the Hebrew and Greek? For what, so they can believe as you do? They do not NEED to go the Hebrew or the Greek to understand the Truths of God, sure they can learn some things from it, but it is not necessary or even relevant for one to do so. God did not design the Word of God is a way that one has to become learned in order to grasp His Truths. God made His word so simple and easy to understand that even children can understand it.
When does a person take a verse to the Hebrew and/or Greek? i will tell you when, when they read a verse they do not agree with, is when they will take the verse to the Hebrew and/or Greek to choose which meaning they will agree with and believe.
a perfect example can be found in this thread with you. You do not believe prophets exist today, so when all these people show you verse after verse saying they are here after John the Baptist, you still do not believe. One poster over and over again posts about the two witnesses, which the Word of God testifies that they prophesy. you, because you don't believe that word to mean what that word plainly says and teaches, inform everyone that they should take the word to the original Greek in order for everyone to understand the Truth concerning that word as YOU see it.
Here is the Truth. The Word of God says they prophesy, so i assure you they do exactly that. you don't need to take that word to the Hebrew or Greek, you should just merely believe it, and what it says.
Here is a thought, instead of changing the Word of God (by using Hebrew and Greek) to fit your belief, how about changing your belief to fit with what Scriptures plainly teach (Hebrew and Greek not needed)?

^i^ Responding to Post #144

I think you miss the bigger picture brother.....you would naturally defend your position because you CLAIM to be a prophet..........and taking an English translation over the orginal languages has lead to many faulty teachings and beliefs.......They are also called WITNESSES which comes from the word for MARTYRS.....THE word applied can simply mean to preach, proclaim, predict, to testify, to teach, to witness......so...believe what you will.......!

 

[Reborn]

Well Reborn you never fail with your tact......LOL

Well stop being wrong all of the time, and I won't correct you, Ken. Kidding.
Thing is, I do understand most of it. I'm happy with what I know about Revelation. I just don't teach it.

To me, You can't teach opinion.

Should anyone teach it? IDK? Remember what Revelation 22 states?
People are intimidated by it....but to me, all someone has to know is when "the fullness of the Gentiles" happened.
And who the first beast of Revelation 13 is.

The book is pretty much opened from there.

Babylon, candlesticks, olive trees, time, moon, stars, angels, living creatures, 24 elders,... etc 90%... of the symbolic images, are somewhere between Genesis and Revelation.....it is defined by the Bible itself. No need to look further than scripture.

Giant puzzle.
Like you said, scripture interprets scripture. Throughout Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel, ...to Romans.
Now you can't argue that I'm giving the Bible credit for all.

You though.....?
You can tell a lot of it is old school guessing. I call you out, because your ideas sound like an old 1988 book on Revelation.
Sorry.
Ex: "Lamp stands" are defined in Revelation 1:20. They can't be a "man".
Definitions do not change in the middle of a book.

 

[dcontroversal]

Tell me, why do you think Jesus choice unlearned men, instead of learned men to be His Apostles?

^i^ Responding to Post #142

Unlearned men? No offence, but you should study more.....Who wrote almost half of the N.T.? A highly educated man PAUL.....Daniel was also highly educated, Moses was educated, Luke was a doctor and educated....Isaiah was educated and came from a well to do family.....and the list goes on and on.....!

 

[DiscipleDave]

Fair enough and no offence meant.....as far as prophets Go....I believe the word is misapplied, I believe that many claim this office and or ability and at the end of the day are full of it....It is evident that many claim the ability to speak in tongues, heal and or exercise the role of a prophet and at the end of the day are heretical liars, proven wrong and or fakes.......I believe many take the bible and twist what is states and or makes predictions that have already been predicted.......The bible requires two to three witnesses when bringing a charge against someone and when it comes to the word of God almost everything if not everything is proven by two or more witnesses.....The bible states clearly that the heavens and the earth that Now ARE will flee from the face of God and NO more PLACE shall be found for them.....it does not say that we will get our own PLANET..........!

All that you say above is True, There probably is 1000 false prophets to one True Prophet of God, sad for that one, is it not? Because the one True Prophet will inevitably be lumped in with the 1000 hypocrites.
Are you aware that the Bible is written and for Human Beings? There is no need for a Bible in Heaven. As soon as we are in our Glorified bodies we will have ALL knowledge, well as soon as we eat of the tree that is. The Bible and All of its prophesies are to, and for, the human race. There are no prophesies AFTER the 1,000 year reign of Christ, AFTER satan is released, and there is a war of wars at the very end. The very last prophesy, is that of satan and his followers being cast into the lake of fire for ever and ever. The Bible does not reveal ANYTHING that is to happen AFTER the human race. The Heaven and the Earth that now ARE will flee from the face of God, is the Heaven we have now, the Earth we have now. We will have a New Heaven and a New Earth during the Days of the reign of Jesus Christ. But when i say each Saint will have their own planet to design and form as they see fit, this is ONLY AFTER all the stuff in the Bible is DONE, Completed, over, NO HUMANS, only children of God remain. The Earth will abide forever, humans will not. Humans are only created to test the children of God, to see if they desire to serve God or to serve self. At the end of the thousand year reign of Jesus Christ, there will only be those who are immortal, those who live forever in the Kingdom of Heaven with Jesus, or those who live forever in the lake of fire for ever and ever. HUMANS will have served their purpose. Why is it so hard for you to believe being a child of God that you would not have your own planet to design and form as you see fit, and call it your house. What God can't have His own planet? What an offspring of God can't have their own planet? You have no ideal how infinitely small we all actually are, nor how infinitely huge we are as children of God in the Universe. Having your own planet, is so trivial of a thing, like compared to a gnat, how about walking on a Sun, or swimming on the surface of the sun, or fishing for creatures that you created to live in the liquid of the sun. Scriptures teach us that whatever you can imagine, doesn't even come close to what Heaven is actually like. Scriptures also teach there is nothing NEW under the sun, what is, has been. Where has it been? out in the universe. Nobody on the is planet has created or invented anything that has not already been done in Heaven. Earth has been here a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of time compared to how long the Kingdom of Heaven has been around. The Kingdom of Heaven was not created the same time humans were. The Kingdom of Heaven has been here, well forever. Human kind has been in the universe for, in Heaven time, a week.
Anyways, the prophesy concerning every Saint will have their own planet to do with as they see fit, is a prophesy that takes place AFTER all the prophesies in the Bible are fulfilled.
How much of the Bible teaches us what Heaven will be like? Very little.
So why is it so hard to believe that God would reveal a little bit about Heaven to His prophets, in a last attempt to get people to live right, to walk the narrow and difficult path that leads to Heaven, to the last days generation? Is that so hard to believe that God would use every tool at His disposal to try to get people to live righteous.
All Saints, AFTER Humankind is over, will get their own planet to design and form as they see fit, Do you know how i KNOW this is True, because He told me it is True and i believe Him.

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