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DiscipleDave said
Brother, again you misunderstand, i am not offended at all, nor hurt by it, nor anything at all, i have been called devil worshiper because i teach against sin. i have been called many things, much worse than what you have done in this thread. The reason i bring it up, is for you, brother. It is a sin according to Scriptures to cause a brother to stumble, name calling is a way that would cause people to be offended, or cause them to become angry, upset, hurt, or what have you. Now if you are calling a person a name in order to help them, or teach them, or to make them see, then fine. But calling people names to lash out is not Godly. The only reason i said anything at all, is not because it has offended me, but many times people who call others names, don't realize they are doing it, therefore i pointed out to you, that you are calling me names, which is not very Godly thing to do, because the names you did call me were not to edify me, or help me, in any way whatsoever, they were done because you were lashing out. Please don't think i was offended, i wasn't, i was only trying to make you aware that you were doing so. repeatedly doing so. Again, no offense taken by me. However i am certain others in the past may have been offended by your name calling, yes?
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Anyone who wants to know the Truth concerning Hebrew and Greek if you Have to study it to come to the Truth, please click HERE, to read the article on it.
i assure if God did not what His Word translated into English, it would not have been translated into English. There is a reason God decided to not use the Hebrew and Greek and Latin and Aramaic languages.
Here is the Truth:
The Greek and Hebrew texts are for those who speak Greek and Hebrew
The Latin texts are for those who speak Latin.
The Spanish Bible are for those who speak Spanish
The German Bibles are for those who speak German
The KJV Bible are for those who speak English.
i will tell you another Truth, the Holy Spirit of God taught me more in 10 minutes, then countless hours takings words to the Greek and Hebrew.
Want to search for the Truth in the carnal way. Go to the Greek and Hebrew, go to college, listen to men.
Want to search for the Truth in the Spiritual way. Go to God in prayer, seek the help of the Holy Spirit, and believe and live by the Word of God (KJV)
^i^ Responding to Post #157
i assure if God did not what His Word translated into English, it would not have been translated into English. There is a reason God decided to not use the Hebrew and Greek and Latin and Aramaic languages.
Here is the Truth:
The Greek and Hebrew texts are for those who speak Greek and Hebrew
The Latin texts are for those who speak Latin.
The Spanish Bible are for those who speak Spanish
The German Bibles are for those who speak German
The KJV Bible are for those who speak English.
i will tell you another Truth, the Holy Spirit of God taught me more in 10 minutes, then countless hours takings words to the Greek and Hebrew.
Want to search for the Truth in the carnal way. Go to the Greek and Hebrew, go to college, listen to men.
Want to search for the Truth in the Spiritual way. Go to God in prayer, seek the help of the Holy Spirit, and believe and live by the Word of God (KJV)
^i^ Responding to Post #157
Shakes my head and your view of this contradicts why God used two dead languages to give the bible in.........whatever bro! For the record...no where have I stated that prayer and seeking enlightenment by the HS should not be sought.....to state what you have stated above is contrary to the truth as there is a reason that the BIBLE was INSPIRED in HEBREW and GREEK...God did not INSPIRE 54 Episcopalian priests who TRANSLITERATED GREEK words and or copied VERBATIM from other texts......and then to say that someone who uses the Greek and or Hebrew is to study in a carnal way is foolish and way out of line........tragic is a word that comes to mind......!
DiscipleDave asked :
Apparently i will have to break down my question even more than it is already, so that you would understand what it is that i asked. Did i say, there were no learned men? Did i say Daniel was not learned? i will rephrase the same question so that maybe this time you will understand it.
Tell me, why do you think Jesus When He was alive and walking the Earth choice unlearned men which are called Disciples, instead of learned educated men to be His Apostles? Talking about the 12 Disciples. NOT Paul, NOT Daniel, NOT Moses.
And your statement "you should study more" makes me laugh every time i hear it from someone. imagine someone who has never read the entire Bible telling another who has read the entire Bible over 80 times, that he should study more. Funny is it not? And before you think it, i am not talking about you, i know you not, nor how many times you have read the entire Bible, i was only making a general comment, not referring to you when i said "someone who has never read the entire Bible" Again that is NOT referring to you. And also before people whip back "Are you saying you don't need to study more?" No, that is not what i am saying, i still study to this day, and at work i listen to the Bible for 8 hours every day, i can't tell how many times i have heard it. i listened to it when it came out on Cassette, i listened to it when it was on CD's, and now listen to it on iPod, mp3 format.
^i^ Responding to Post #159
Tell me, why do you think Jesus When He was alive and walking the Earth choice unlearned men which are called Disciples, instead of learned educated men to be His Apostles? Talking about the 12 Disciples. NOT Paul, NOT Daniel, NOT Moses.
And your statement "you should study more" makes me laugh every time i hear it from someone. imagine someone who has never read the entire Bible telling another who has read the entire Bible over 80 times, that he should study more. Funny is it not? And before you think it, i am not talking about you, i know you not, nor how many times you have read the entire Bible, i was only making a general comment, not referring to you when i said "someone who has never read the entire Bible" Again that is NOT referring to you. And also before people whip back "Are you saying you don't need to study more?" No, that is not what i am saying, i still study to this day, and at work i listen to the Bible for 8 hours every day, i can't tell how many times i have heard it. i listened to it when it came out on Cassette, i listened to it when it was on CD's, and now listen to it on iPod, mp3 format.
^i^ Responding to Post #159
i like your picture, i served in the Air Force for four years, and 8 years Army National Guard. However i was dishonorably discharged from the Army National Guard, because i told them, that it was against my religion to kill someone. They asked me in the event i was asked by my government to kill the enemy, would i do so or not. i said i would not, i was discharged.
^i^ Responding to Post #164
^i^ Responding to Post #164
i think you forget that i studied Hebrew and Greek. i KNOW that is causes more confusion then merely believing the Word of God and what it plainly teaches. Confusion is not of God, brother.
You take two islands, both of which have 1.000 people on them. The one island only has the KJV Bible. The other island has the KJV Bible and the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts as well. i assure you with no doubts whatsoever the people on the island with only the KJV are much happier, simpler, and believe in ONE Truth. While the other island, you have debates, confusion, strife, chaos, one person read a verse in the KJV Bible and says i believe what it says, but another who has studied the Greek will say, but it does not mean what it says, if you take that second word there to the Greek, then it now means this. And yet another will say, no, no, no, if you take that word to the Hebrew it means this, not that or that. And farther yet, you will have another who will say, you all are wrong, because that word is a verb, not a noun, therefore it now means something different than all of what they thought it meant. i will tell you the Truth, the people who just had the KJV Bible and that is all, are far better off than the other island. My point is also this. The people who just have the KJV Bible on that island, can come to the Truth, get SAVED, and go to Heaven, WITHOUT ever needing to go the Hebrew and Greek. Now i assure you with no doubts whatsoever, if you were to take one of those people off the island with the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts and put that person on the island that did not have the Hebrew and Greek, i assure with not doubts whatsoever, that it will not be long before that island to is confused, doubts, full of debates, arguments. Unless of coarse someone was smart enough to tell that person to go back where he came from. Don't you see. The island with only the KJV there was not confusion as to what the Truth is, what it said is what they believed, and they were Heaven bound. Bring in the other guy from the other island, now there is strife, confusion (which is of satan by the way), debates, and because of those things, many fall away from the Faith, or doubt that the Bible is even True, doubts is not of God either.
Now back to what you say above.
out of line or not, it is the Truth. Try to follow me here.
The Word of God teaches there are many false prophets. Do you know where they are at? They are behind the pulpits, they are in many churches.
When i was very young, maybe 11 or so, i walked up to a preacher and asked him what i must do to become a preacher. He told me that i had to go to college. i then said to him "That is pretty sad, if God calls upon a poor person to preach" and walked away.
There are two types of people
Those who are actually called to be a preacher
Those who want to be a preacher.
Those who are are called by God to be a preacher, God teaches them, the Holy Ghost teaches them, they are instructed, they walk a holy life, they LOVE ONE ANOTHER without fail.
Those who want to be a preacher, will study the Bible, will go to college, will study Hebrew and Greek.
Am i saying that is evil or wicked? No, only saying it is carnal, because it is what they want to do, not what they are called to do by God.
i studied Hebrew and Greek, NOT because God told me to, it is what i wanted to do, carnal, comes from me and my own desires. Am i saying the Hebrew and Greek are carnal, as you are indicating above, Heavens NO, i am not saying that, i am saying that the reason people study the Hebrew and Greek is carnal, it what they want to do, or it is something that they feel like they should do. But i assure you, God has never told a person to go study the Hebrew and Greek. Are the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts holy? Yes, Are they inspired by God? Yes, i have never said otherwise as you indicate above. But the reasons people of today go to the Hebrew and Greek, that is what i say is carnal, they do so, not because God instructed them to, they do so, so they can become learned, or they do so, because they do not agree with what a particular verse plainly teaches and therefore goes to the Hebrew and Greek to see what it REALLY means, despite what it PLAINLY says and teaches.
For example if i don't believe there is a Hell that last forever, the verses that say they are there forever, needs to be taken to the Hebrew and Greek, and then it no longer means forever.
i will tell you the Truth and will not lie. The use of the Hebrew and Greek today, after God gave us the KJV, only causes confusion, and doubts. Neither of which is from God. Today, it does more harm than it does good.
i teach people the Truth. You do not NEED to study the Hebrew and Greek to come to the Full Truth of God. And people fib all the time using the "Take it to Hebrew and Greek" card. i was on another thread one time, that topic was the fear of God, and a person kept on saying, if you take the word fear to the Hebrew and Greek it mean respect. And neither the Hebrew nor the Greek interprets the word "fear" to mean respect. After pointing this out to that individual, he then accused me of not knowing anything about Hebrew and Greek, and many other false things he accused me of.
i never said that the Hebrew and Greek were carnal. Those who go to the Hebrew and Greek searching for the Truth, is what is carnal. i never said the Hebrew and Greek is carnal, i said those who go them to search for Truths, that is carnal. God will never instruct a person to study Hebrew and Greek, as if one had to become learned in order to understand and grasp His Truths.
^i^ Responding to Post #165
You take two islands, both of which have 1.000 people on them. The one island only has the KJV Bible. The other island has the KJV Bible and the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts as well. i assure you with no doubts whatsoever the people on the island with only the KJV are much happier, simpler, and believe in ONE Truth. While the other island, you have debates, confusion, strife, chaos, one person read a verse in the KJV Bible and says i believe what it says, but another who has studied the Greek will say, but it does not mean what it says, if you take that second word there to the Greek, then it now means this. And yet another will say, no, no, no, if you take that word to the Hebrew it means this, not that or that. And farther yet, you will have another who will say, you all are wrong, because that word is a verb, not a noun, therefore it now means something different than all of what they thought it meant. i will tell you the Truth, the people who just had the KJV Bible and that is all, are far better off than the other island. My point is also this. The people who just have the KJV Bible on that island, can come to the Truth, get SAVED, and go to Heaven, WITHOUT ever needing to go the Hebrew and Greek. Now i assure you with no doubts whatsoever, if you were to take one of those people off the island with the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts and put that person on the island that did not have the Hebrew and Greek, i assure with not doubts whatsoever, that it will not be long before that island to is confused, doubts, full of debates, arguments. Unless of coarse someone was smart enough to tell that person to go back where he came from. Don't you see. The island with only the KJV there was not confusion as to what the Truth is, what it said is what they believed, and they were Heaven bound. Bring in the other guy from the other island, now there is strife, confusion (which is of satan by the way), debates, and because of those things, many fall away from the Faith, or doubt that the Bible is even True, doubts is not of God either.
Now back to what you say above.
out of line or not, it is the Truth. Try to follow me here.
The Word of God teaches there are many false prophets. Do you know where they are at? They are behind the pulpits, they are in many churches.
When i was very young, maybe 11 or so, i walked up to a preacher and asked him what i must do to become a preacher. He told me that i had to go to college. i then said to him "That is pretty sad, if God calls upon a poor person to preach" and walked away.
There are two types of people
Those who are actually called to be a preacher
Those who want to be a preacher.
Those who are are called by God to be a preacher, God teaches them, the Holy Ghost teaches them, they are instructed, they walk a holy life, they LOVE ONE ANOTHER without fail.
Those who want to be a preacher, will study the Bible, will go to college, will study Hebrew and Greek.
Am i saying that is evil or wicked? No, only saying it is carnal, because it is what they want to do, not what they are called to do by God.
i studied Hebrew and Greek, NOT because God told me to, it is what i wanted to do, carnal, comes from me and my own desires. Am i saying the Hebrew and Greek are carnal, as you are indicating above, Heavens NO, i am not saying that, i am saying that the reason people study the Hebrew and Greek is carnal, it what they want to do, or it is something that they feel like they should do. But i assure you, God has never told a person to go study the Hebrew and Greek. Are the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts holy? Yes, Are they inspired by God? Yes, i have never said otherwise as you indicate above. But the reasons people of today go to the Hebrew and Greek, that is what i say is carnal, they do so, not because God instructed them to, they do so, so they can become learned, or they do so, because they do not agree with what a particular verse plainly teaches and therefore goes to the Hebrew and Greek to see what it REALLY means, despite what it PLAINLY says and teaches.
For example if i don't believe there is a Hell that last forever, the verses that say they are there forever, needs to be taken to the Hebrew and Greek, and then it no longer means forever.
i will tell you the Truth and will not lie. The use of the Hebrew and Greek today, after God gave us the KJV, only causes confusion, and doubts. Neither of which is from God. Today, it does more harm than it does good.
i teach people the Truth. You do not NEED to study the Hebrew and Greek to come to the Full Truth of God. And people fib all the time using the "Take it to Hebrew and Greek" card. i was on another thread one time, that topic was the fear of God, and a person kept on saying, if you take the word fear to the Hebrew and Greek it mean respect. And neither the Hebrew nor the Greek interprets the word "fear" to mean respect. After pointing this out to that individual, he then accused me of not knowing anything about Hebrew and Greek, and many other false things he accused me of.
i never said that the Hebrew and Greek were carnal. Those who go to the Hebrew and Greek searching for the Truth, is what is carnal. i never said the Hebrew and Greek is carnal, i said those who go them to search for Truths, that is carnal. God will never instruct a person to study Hebrew and Greek, as if one had to become learned in order to understand and grasp His Truths.
^i^ Responding to Post #165
Yes, There would be no need for oaths, if everyones yes, were yes, and everyones no, were no's. For example, i do not need to swear under oath that i will come and help you tomorrow. i will come and help you tomorrow because i said i would come and help you tomorrow. let your yes be yes and your no be no.
Its kind of like someone who will say to me "i swear to God i am telling you the Truth" opposed to what? that everything that person says is not the Truth, unless they swear to God they are telling the Truth. Anybody that knows me, knows that i do not lie at all, i need not make an oath, or swear to God, because if i say "i will do everything in my power to be there" Then i will do everything in my power to be there. if i say "i did not do that" people know that i did not do that, because they know my yes is yes and my no is no. EVERYTHING that comes out of a persons mouth, should be their oath.
^i^ Responding to Post #168
Its kind of like someone who will say to me "i swear to God i am telling you the Truth" opposed to what? that everything that person says is not the Truth, unless they swear to God they are telling the Truth. Anybody that knows me, knows that i do not lie at all, i need not make an oath, or swear to God, because if i say "i will do everything in my power to be there" Then i will do everything in my power to be there. if i say "i did not do that" people know that i did not do that, because they know my yes is yes and my no is no. EVERYTHING that comes out of a persons mouth, should be their oath.
^i^ Responding to Post #168
Sorry, i now understand what you are asking, in response to the previous post #167
The problem is, we as Christian are instructed to obey those who are put in charge over us, if then those who are put in charge over us require us to sign or pledge an oath, then we should do so, as to not cause offense. Now if they who are put in charge over us, asks us to do something that you consider to be sinful, you do not have to obey them, if they are asking you commit sin, or asking to you to do something that you consider to be sinful, you do not have to do so.
i think this is what you are asking, but i don't know for sure, sorry if i did not understand you.
^i^ Responding to Post #168
The problem is, we as Christian are instructed to obey those who are put in charge over us, if then those who are put in charge over us require us to sign or pledge an oath, then we should do so, as to not cause offense. Now if they who are put in charge over us, asks us to do something that you consider to be sinful, you do not have to obey them, if they are asking you commit sin, or asking to you to do something that you consider to be sinful, you do not have to do so.
i think this is what you are asking, but i don't know for sure, sorry if i did not understand you.
^i^ Responding to Post #168
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Here it is
- I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed ...
But if we took that oath to defend (and know we are to bear arms and use them then whats worse, refusing to do that after taking an oath or doing that?
I took the same I was an MP in the Army way back, I always carried a weapon in my MOS, although I wasnt a christian when I entered in, but I did get unsworn, because they do that.
DiscipleDave - I have a problem with your proposition. It shows the signs of insanity. You want "truth" wrapped in a box and clearly marked. Let me suggest there is only one truth, the way God sees everything. This is layered, where different issues have priority, which define the beauty of love and creation. Unfortunately there are other ways of looking at existance that seem just as consistent which is why Satan fell and took others with him. When judgement comes we will know things correctly, but until then we must be careful to love, to bless, to generous and a blessing.
Now which language the bible is expressed in will emphasis different aspects of the passages depending on the culture that language represents. The reality is the truth transcends the vessel or language and its power is how the Holy Spirit uses it in your heart. So why the long explanations? Why the definition of carnal on everything?
Now which language the bible is expressed in will emphasis different aspects of the passages depending on the culture that language represents. The reality is the truth transcends the vessel or language and its power is how the Holy Spirit uses it in your heart. So why the long explanations? Why the definition of carnal on everything?
S
love you man.
go check at Interlinear Bible: Greek, Hebrew, Transliterated, English, Strong's !
hit the word, get some
"sum" for summary
it's so cool.
scripture4all i think org got different angle
go check at Interlinear Bible: Greek, Hebrew, Transliterated, English, Strong's !
hit the word, get some
"sum" for summary
it's so cool.
scripture4all i think org got different angle