Pros and Cons Speaking in Tongues

[trofimus]

BTW, it was proved that people speaking in "tongues" are trying to make sounds that sounds foreign to them, but they cant actually say any foreign existing sound they have not learned first.

When they know any foreign languages, they are using these sounds in tongues.

Many for example try to simulate what they think is like hebrew.

 

[Grace777x70]

Was any of the "tongues" among charismatics identified as any living or dead language?

Why would God give US or EU citizens only some nonexisting languages and not anything useful like Chinese/Greek.

The tongue is not useful to us because we are not using our mind nor are we speaking in an assembly which would have an interpretation to go with that kind of a tongue.

Because of 1 Cor. 14:2, 14. It is used as a devotional tongue to speak mysteries to the Lord. Our mind is not used as the many posts in this thread have spoken about.

However I have heard stories of the Lord giving a tongue to someone and others heard it in their own language so it does happen that others can hear and understand but that has a different purpose then just devotional tongues where our spirit is speaking to our Father.

Here is an interesting youtube video

[video=youtube;NZbQBajYnEc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZbQBajYnEc[/video]

 

[trofimus]

The tongue is not useful to us because we are not using our mind nor are we speaking in an assembly which would have an interpretation to go with that kind of a tongue.

Because of 1 Cor. 14:2, 14. It is used as a devotional tongue to speak mysteries to the Lord. Our mind is not used as the many posts in this thread have spoken about.

However I have heard stories of the Lord giving a tongue to someone and others heard it in their own language so it does happen that others can hear and understand but that has a different purpose then just devotional tongues where our spirit is speaking to our Father.

Here is an interesting youtube video

[video=youtube;NZbQBajYnEc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZbQBajYnEc[/video]

In that video you can hear examples of repeated sounds like I said, for example woman in 0:45, its not a language, she only emulates what she thinks sounds exotic.

I agree that brain scans will show no language centres in brain active, because it is not speaking in language.

 

[Grace777x70]

In that video you can hear examples of repeated sounds like I said, for example woman in 0:45, its not a language, she only emulates what she thinks sounds exotic.

I agree that brain scans will show no language centres in brain active, because it is not speaking in language.

Again I have to ask..Do you know every language that was ever spoken in the history of the world in order to say someone is not speaking a language. Do you know anything about angelic languages? 1 Cor 13:1

It's not showing anything in the language center of the brain because it is speaking from our spirit and not from our head. Remember 1 Cor. 14:14 - it bypasses our mind.

I now speaking in tongues is real. When people say to me that speaking in tongues is not for today - that's like an atheist telling me that Jesus is not real. I know both are real.

But we are both free to believe whatever we want. Bless you.

 

[trofimus]

Again I have to ask..Do you know every language that was ever spoken in the history of the world in order to say someone is not speaking a language. Do you know anything about angelic languages? 1 Cor 13:1

It's not showing anything in the language center of the brain because it is speaking from our spirit and not from our head. Remember 1 Cor. 14:14 - it bypasses our mind.

I now speaking in tongues is real. When people say to me that speaking in tongues is not for today - that's like an atheist telling me that Jesus is not real. I know both are real.

But we are both free to believe whatever we want. Bless you.

No, I do not know all languages.

Do you know one real language spoken by charismatics as the gift of tongues? Just one.

And I think its quite certain that "she de de de de de de" (woman speaking 0:45) is not a real language.

I do not know anything about angelic languages, do you? Paul is only using example, that even angelic languages are nothing without love. He is not saying that 'charismatics' speak in angelic languages

Scans - when you will make sounds without meaning, the brain will be inactive. It will be active only when you formulate ideas by words.

GBY too.

 

[Grace777x70]

No, I do not know all languages.

Do you know one real language spoken by charismatics as the gift of tongues? Just one.

And I think its quite certain that "she de de de de de de" (woman speaking 0:45) is not a real language.

I do not know anything about angelic languages, do you? Paul is only using example, that even angelic languages are nothing without love. He is not saying that 'charismatics' speak in angelic languages

Scans - when you will make sounds without meaning, the brain will be inactive. It will be active only when you formulate ideas by words.

GBY too.

I have heard of people that have spoken in many known languages which the speaker themselves didn't know and it was verified by people that understood the language being spoken.

I will tell you one story. There was a guy that was in Israel and had a tour guide with him. They were at a place and the Christian felt like he had to pray so he started praying in the spirit ( in a tongue which he said he had never spoken before in his prayer times ).

The tour guide heard him and said that he was speaking an old Samaritan dialect which the guide knew. The Christian asked him what he was praying. The guide said "You were asking God to protect the people that were going to come here".

The next year the Christian guy came back and got the same guide. The guide told him that after he prayed last year - there was a school bus full of kids that had stopped there and then a terrorist truck had come by and started shooting - and no one has hit and the terrorists all of a sudden took off and left even though no one was chasing him. They called in a miracle. The Holy spirit within him knew what was coming in the future and this Christian guy was open to pray for protection - even though he had no idea what he was praying for at the time ( his mind was unfruitful - 1 Cor 14:14 ).

There are many such stories like this from many different people.

I know nothing about angelic tongues either but Paul did say that though "I speak in the tongues of men and of angels..."..this infers that Paul did speak in different tongues or languages.

I myself have spoken about a dozen or so distinct languages but mostly speak one or two for the majority of my praying. I often without even thinking about it - find myself singing in tongues to the Lord.

I am not trying to force to to believe in praying in tongues - I am only giving you my experience and what I have heard others say.

We can always just agree to disagree on this point too about speaking in tongues. The Lord is not going to force it upon anyone but to all that seek Him about it - I have no reservations He will reveal this beautiful help we get from the Holy Spirit and it will help our devotional prayer life with the Lord.

 

[trofimus]

I have heard of people that have spoken in many known languages which the speaker themselves didn't know and it was verified by people that understood the language being spoken.

I will tell you one story. There was a guy that was in Israel and had a tour guide with him. They were at a place and the Christian felt like he had to pray so he started praying in the spirit ( in a tongue which he said he had never spoken before in his prayer times ).

The tour guide heard him and said that he was speaking an old Samaritan dialect which the guide knew. The Christian asked him what he was praying. The guide said "You were asking God to protect the people that were going to come here".

The next year the Christian guy came back and got the same guide. The guide told him that after he prayed last year - there was a school bus full of kids that had stopped there and then a terrorist truck had come by and started shooting - and no one has hit and the terrorists all of a sudden took off and left even though no one was chasing him. They called in a miracle. The Holy spirit within him knew what was coming in the future and this Christian guy was open to pray for protection - even though he had no idea what he was praying for at the time ( his mind was unfruitful - 1 Cor 14:14 ).

There are many such stories like this from many different people.

I know nothing about angelic tongues either but Paul did say that though "I speak in the tongues of men and of angels..."..this infers that Paul did speak in different tongues or languages.

I myself have spoken about a dozen or so distinct languages but mostly speak one or two for the majority of my praying. I often without even thinking about it - find myself singing in tongues to the Lord.

I am not trying to force to to believe in praying in tongues - I am only giving you my experience and what I have heard others say.

We can always just agree to disagree on this point too about speaking in tongues. The Lord is not going to force it upon anyone but to all that seek Him about it - I have no reservations He will reveal this beautiful help we get from the Holy Spirit and it will help our devotional prayer life with the Lord.

Thanks for story, but, you know, its just a story

I meant the gift of tongue that stays with that person. That he will speak for example German without learning instead of "she de de de de de", not just one event in his life, but always.

To Paul - I dont think he said "I speak in the tongues of men and of angels", but "Even if I would speak...".

What translation has it like you said?

 

[Grace777x70]

Thanks for story, but, you know, its just a story

I meant the gift of tongue that stays with that person. That he will speak for example German without learning instead of "she de de de de de", not just one event in his life, but always.

To Paul - I dont think he said "I speak in the tongues of men and of angels", but "Even if I would speak...".

What translation has it like you said?

I have never heard of someone having the "gift" of speaking a certain language like German and they spoke German fluently and understood it for the rest of their life. You mentioning this is the first time I ever heard anyone say that before.

That is not biblical tongues although the Lord may have done that supernaturally to people and they could all of a sudden knew German or whatever. I have heard people being able to all of a sudden play instruments when they couldn't in the past.

1 Corinthians 13:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Paul is simply saying that if he speaks in the tongues of mean and of angels but has not love - he is nothing as the other verses flowing this first one show - including giving everything away and having his body burned. Love is paramount in all things...

 

[trofimus]

I have never heard of someone having the "gift" of speaking a certain language like German and they spoke German fluently and understood it for the rest of their life. You mentioning this is the first time I ever heard anyone say that before.

That is not biblical tongues although the Lord may have done that supernaturally to people and they could all of a sudden knew German or whatever. I have heard people being able to all of a sudden play instruments when they couldn't in the past.

1 Corinthians 13:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Paul is simply saying that if he speaks in the tongues of mean and of angels but has not love - he is nothing as the other verses flowing this first one show - including giving everything away and having his body burned. Love is paramount in all things...

I think thats exactly the biblical gift of tongues - to speak in a foreign language.

Is Paul saying he actually speaks in angelic languages or is it just a figure of speech?

 

[Grace777x70]

I think thats exactly the biblical gift of tongues - to speak in a foreign language.

Is Paul saying he actually speaks in angelic languages or is it just a figure of speech?

I don't see any place in scripture where someone that spoke in a specific tongue was able to speak that same language continually as if he knew the language now with this mind and understood everything he was saying in that language.

Personally I believe Paul was saying that he did speak in an angelic tongues but it can't be proven. The good part is that one day we can ask him face to face. - but most likely by then we will already know the answer anyway. It's a good thought to think about talking with Paul....

 

[jb]

Hello everybody, please help me to know about Speaking in Tongues.

Is it biblical the current practice of Speaking in Tongues with other churches?

If No or Yes, then why?

Have a read at This

 

[jb]

Why is it everybody thinks the Gift of Tongues is the greatest gift from the Holy Spirit?

The Gift of Tongues is the LEAST of the Gifts.

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By such a comment you really reveal your ignorance on the gifts of the Spirit, especially the gift of tongues!

 

[reneweddaybyday]

When the manifestation of kinds of tongues is energized by God, the words are God-inspired utterances. God gives the words to the person and the person speaks the words as they are given to him/her by God.

I agree there are people who speak gibberish in an attempt to try to get others to believe they are speaking in tongues. But that is not speaking in tongues, nor is it "counterfeit tongues" (as I have heard the gibberish referred to).

Kinds of tongues is just that --- kinds of tongues. When you hear the genuine manifestation of kinds of tongues there is no question but that it is the manifestation. You know in your knower what you are witnessing.

It is foolishness on our part to listen to the fakeries and claim "Well, that just proves God no longer energizes the manifestation in our day and time". Just because someone [read the adversary] tries to steal this benefit from God's people does not mean we have to succumb to the enemy's tactics.

If God determines He will energize because that is what is needed to benefit His people, who are we to tell Him that is not is what is needed because someone tried to dupe us into believing they were speaking in tongues when, in fact, they were not, or because the enemy of our Father has tried to steal God's benefit from us.

 

[psalm6819]

Can you prove it?

ummm the scripture I quoted

 

[psalm6819]

@trofimus

God won't force gifts on us.

If you don't believe in tongues-you'll never speak in tongues

If you don't believe in healing-you probably won't be healed

but don't tell the rest of us these gifts don't exist-they DO

they don't exist for you because you don't believe in them

 

[Cee]

It's one thing to say the gift of tongues isn't for you. It's quite another to say the gift of tongues isn't for anyone.

I didn't believe I would speak in the gift of tongues. But I didn't say people who did were deceived and I didn't harden my heart towards them. Then one day, the Spirit of the Lord came on me and I spoke in tongues. And I felt liquid love pour through me. I was wrong about never speaking in tongues. I do now.

It's so crazy to me that people who have not had these experiences think they are experts on this topic.

When I first spoke in tongues, I came back and did some research about it. And I read all this fear based teaching how it was demonic etc. It freaked me out, so I read every Scripture I could find on it. I think I have most of 1 Co 14 memorized.

I am happy to report that most people don't have a clue what they are talking about. To them it's simply theology, but not experience or reality. Tongues are real. I have a recording of a Polish girl who was found speaking in English tongues. And she doesn't know a lick of English.

The audacity of some people to come against the gifts of the Holy Spirit astounds me.

Paul is clear:

1. He desires all would speak in tongues, but even more would prophesy.
2. Tongues is an unknown language.
3. Tongues is speaking to no one, but to God. That's why you need an interpreter when you're among others.
4. Even the speaker's mind doesn't even understand what is being spoken.
5. The Scripture Paul references:

It is written in the Law: "By strange tongues and foreign lips I will speak to this people, but even then they will not listen to Me, says the Lord.

Isaiah 28:11 You will no longer see a fierce people, A people of unintelligible speech which no one comprehends, Of a stammering tongue which no one understands.

What about Pentecost? Pentecost was a miracle. It was to the Jews first off. What we call Pentecost happened on the Feast of Weeks. Holy Spirit being poured out was a pivotal moment in Jewish history foretold in all Scripture. Another significant thing about this Feast is Jews were required to come from all over to Jerusalem. God knew what He was doing all the way back in Leviticus.

Snippet from GotQuestions.com:

"Described in Leviticus 23, The Feast of Weeks is the second of the three “solemn feasts” that all Jewish males were required to travel to Jerusalem to attend (Exodus 23:14–17; 34:22–23; Deuteronomy 16:16). This important feast gets its name from the fact that it starts seven full weeks, or exactly 50 days, after the Feast of Firstfruits. Since it takes place exactly 50 days after the previous feast, this feast is also known as “Pentecost” (Acts 2:1), which means “fifty.”

Each of three “solemn feasts”—Passover, the Feast of Weeks, and the Feast of Tabernacles—required that all able-bodied Jewish males travel to Jerusalem to attend the feast and offer sacrifices."/End SnippetThis was a significant time in Jewish history when the Holy Spirit fell on this day. And when He spoke through His people, they thought they were drunk, but they were not drunk as carnal men suppose.

But even more interesting to me is the fact, they could discern any language at all. If we put 100 people all in a room "shouting and praising" << notice they are not speaking to anyone, but to God?

And they all speak in a different language, will you be able to make out anything they are saying? Maybe, but it's going to be super difficult. But Scripture records EVERY MAN heard in his own language. This was the 2nd miracle of Pentecost (Feast of Weeks).

I'm not telling anyone they have to speak in tongues, that's between them and God. But going so far as to say NO ONE can speak in tongues? Grow up. Especially when Paul said he desires ALL to speak in tongues and NO ONE to forbid speaking in tongues.

If we have to tell another brother or sister they don't understand Scripture like us in order to prove our point. We are desiring our point being made over the fellowship of a brother/sister. You can always spot fear (and its control) by the absence of love, peace, gentleness, unity, acceptance, and kindness... But! Fear has no authority among us. And it needs to go now.

 

[SteelToedKodiak]

The audacity of some people to come against the gifts of the Holy Spirit astounds me.

Right there with you, I was going to say why not seek the gift of glossolalia from the Holy Spirit for an answer to the question. He will not hand you a scorpion.

 

[garee]

The tongue is not useful to us because we are not using our mind nor are we speaking in an assembly which would have an interpretation to go with that kind of a tongue.

Tongues is a revelation from God. iI is a sign to the unbelieving Jew to show them they have no faith .God is no longer bringing any new revelations in any manner to include the manner of tongues. This along shows us they have ceased. It is not a sign that proves one has the Holy Spirit, a misconception as a common teaching.

Because some are taught it is a sign gift they seek it to convince themselves they have proof they are with God.
Prophecy is for those who have faith in Christ .There is no outward sign that can prove we are born again .

No such thing as a sign gift. Signs are designed for the unbelievers. Again prophecy of scripture is for those who have faith the of Christ, so that we can have faith in Christ . Faith does not come from seeing signs. That would be walking/understanding God by sight. Signs seen like ceremonial laws using that seen point as shadows towards the unseen .The faith principle.

Because of 1 Cor. 14:2, 14. It is used as a devotional tongue to speak mysteries to the Lord. Our mind is not used as the many posts in this thread have spoken about.

Yes it’s his mind as an intercessor who interprets our prayer because we know not how to pray aright. No need to verbalize the thoughts of our heart God knows the intentions of our hearts.

When what some call tongues is exercised along with it the practice called falling back slain in the spirit.I is actually as sign people are under the judgement of God. Signs cannot be gifts, they show rebellion. Some drink poison to qualify themselves as having received the Holy Spirit as a sign and wonder .

Where does the idea of sign gifts come from ?

 

[garee]

When I first spoke in tongues, I came back and did some research about it. And I read all this fear based teaching how it was demonic etc. It freaked me out, so I read every Scripture I could find on it. I think I have most of 1 Co 14 memorized.

I am happy to report that most people don't have a clue what they are talking about. To them it's simply theology, but not experience or reality. Tongues are real. I have a recording of a Polish girl who was found speaking in English tongues. And she doesn't know a lick of English.

Who brought her that information? Satan is still bringing in his lying sign and wonders ? I am sure he knows English.

I would suggest experience is not the validator of spiritual truth. God's word alone is. Its no different today seeing God is no longer bringing any new revelations of those who makes claims of out of the body experiences proving a person has seen God (light) or any thing. That would rather be lying spirits bringing in lies to deceive our minds. If it has a hint of evil I would beware.

 

[Cee]

Your entire post is riddled with fear. Does fear set our agenda?

My Scripture tells me that perfect love casts out fear. And He didn't give us a spirit of fear. I refuse to let fear set any agendas for me. So I absolutely do not accept the idea that the gifts of the Spirit are "lying signs and wonders". The enemy has been publicly disarmed! He doesn't get to set the agenda. My God reigns.

Who brought her that information? Satan is still bringing in his lying sign and wonders ? I am sure he knows English.

I would suggest experience is not the validator of spiritual truth. God's word alone is. Its no different today seeing God is no longer bringing any new revelations of those who makes claims of out of the body experiences proving a person has seen God (light) or any thing. That would rather be lying spirits bringing in lies to deceive our minds. If it has a hint of evil I would beware.