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Again, it goes back to faith. Do you understand everything in the Bible, or do you accept some things you don't understand on faith?
Paul understood what you are talking about -
1 Cor 14: 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding.
When I pray in my tongue, my mind pictures what I am praying about (for example I am praying for my mother), and I pray for her in my mind, so I feel confident that the words I am praying in the Spirit are about/for her as well. My mind, while it does not necessarily understand the words, understands the subject of the prayer.
Paul understood what you are talking about -
1 Cor 14: 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding.
When I pray in my tongue, my mind pictures what I am praying about (for example I am praying for my mother), and I pray for her in my mind, so I feel confident that the words I am praying in the Spirit are about/for her as well. My mind, while it does not necessarily understand the words, understands the subject of the prayer.
Glossoalalia:
According to Lombard (1910:124), speaking-in-tongues is a form of regression in which infantile linguistic patterns come to the fore. In this connection it may be noted that there seems to be a tendency among monkeys toward continual vocal expression with presumably little effort to convey meaning.
Cutten (1927: 168) states that glossolalists are usually persons who are devout, i’gnorant, illiterate, and of low ability, but he apparently believes this is true mainly for Christians. Glossolalia is customarily an adult phenomenon but, as shown above, is not unknown among children. In Christian religions women speak in tongues more often than men. Seldom does the speaker remember what he utters. Lombard recognizes four main types of glossolalia (1910: 25 ff .). The first type he calls honations frzlstes, characterized by incomprehensible sounds such as mumbling, gurgling, groaning, and the like. These sounds usually precede complex forms of articulation but may be the subject’s only vocalization during the entire period of his religious excitement, For example, there is little or no literary evidence that the ecstatic vocalizations of medicine men in South
America and Australia go beyond this first level. The second form is called pseudo-language. Sounds fabricated by the subject are articulated and frequently can be recognized as fragments of words. The utterances are often alliterative and may conform to certain exterior aspects of ordinary language when grouped into a form simulating a sentence. The Martian language of Helene Smith is a good illustration of the third type, verbal fabrication. Words coined by the individual may contain particles of foreign and native phonemes and may be used according to identified grammatical rules. A fourth kind of
glossolalia Lombard calls xenoglossie, or speaking foreign tongues. In most cases the subject has had previous contact with the languages even though he may be unable to speak them when he is fully rational and conscious. In addition to the four grades of glossolalia there is a related form of speech, that of interpreti-ng what the speaker says. Unlike most glossolalists, the interpreter may or may not maintain all contact with reality while he performs
A Survey of Glossolalia and Related Phenomena in Non-Christian Religions - MAY - 2009 - American Anthropologist - Wiley Online Library
According to Lombard (1910:124), speaking-in-tongues is a form of regression in which infantile linguistic patterns come to the fore. In this connection it may be noted that there seems to be a tendency among monkeys toward continual vocal expression with presumably little effort to convey meaning.
Cutten (1927: 168) states that glossolalists are usually persons who are devout, i’gnorant, illiterate, and of low ability, but he apparently believes this is true mainly for Christians. Glossolalia is customarily an adult phenomenon but, as shown above, is not unknown among children. In Christian religions women speak in tongues more often than men. Seldom does the speaker remember what he utters. Lombard recognizes four main types of glossolalia (1910: 25 ff .). The first type he calls honations frzlstes, characterized by incomprehensible sounds such as mumbling, gurgling, groaning, and the like. These sounds usually precede complex forms of articulation but may be the subject’s only vocalization during the entire period of his religious excitement, For example, there is little or no literary evidence that the ecstatic vocalizations of medicine men in South
America and Australia go beyond this first level. The second form is called pseudo-language. Sounds fabricated by the subject are articulated and frequently can be recognized as fragments of words. The utterances are often alliterative and may conform to certain exterior aspects of ordinary language when grouped into a form simulating a sentence. The Martian language of Helene Smith is a good illustration of the third type, verbal fabrication. Words coined by the individual may contain particles of foreign and native phonemes and may be used according to identified grammatical rules. A fourth kind of
glossolalia Lombard calls xenoglossie, or speaking foreign tongues. In most cases the subject has had previous contact with the languages even though he may be unable to speak them when he is fully rational and conscious. In addition to the four grades of glossolalia there is a related form of speech, that of interpreti-ng what the speaker says. Unlike most glossolalists, the interpreter may or may not maintain all contact with reality while he performs
A Survey of Glossolalia and Related Phenomena in Non-Christian Religions - MAY - 2009 - American Anthropologist - Wiley Online Library
Sorry if I have offended you it was not my intent to do so.
I think I am fearing him aright. With him there is forgiveness. Who could stand in his holy presence of mercy and grace if he even took one sin into account?
Yes love according to his word not according to our experiences Yes a spirit of discernment not a experience of human experiences in their heart.
Experience is not the validator of a spiritual as a unseen matter .His word alone is the source of his faith.
No such thing as as sign gift, that comes from our experiences of our minds. If that was the case Christ experienced seeing all the kingdoms in the world as a gift it would of convinced him he actual had an out of body experience rather that the father of lies bringing in his lies into Christ’s mind. He simply said again and again ,it is written.
Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. Mat 4:5
Yes, the scriptures do disarm him
1Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
What would be the purpose for speaking in tongues seeing God is no longer bringing any new revelations. What would it prove?
I think I am fearing him aright. With him there is forgiveness. Who could stand in his holy presence of mercy and grace if he even took one sin into account?
Yes love according to his word not according to our experiences Yes a spirit of discernment not a experience of human experiences in their heart.
Experience is not the validator of a spiritual as a unseen matter .His word alone is the source of his faith.
No such thing as as sign gift, that comes from our experiences of our minds. If that was the case Christ experienced seeing all the kingdoms in the world as a gift it would of convinced him he actual had an out of body experience rather that the father of lies bringing in his lies into Christ’s mind. He simply said again and again ,it is written.
Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him. Mat 4:5
Yes, the scriptures do disarm him
1Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
What would be the purpose for speaking in tongues seeing God is no longer bringing any new revelations. What would it prove?
The manifestation of kinds of tongues is not revelation. It is inspiration.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
The Spirit gives the utterance. The words are given by God to the believer.
What is spoken is God's responsibility. He gives the words to the believer to speak.
That the words given by God are spoken is the responsibility of the believer who is energized (given the utterance) by God.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
The Spirit gives the utterance. The words are given by God to the believer.
What is spoken is God's responsibility. He gives the words to the believer to speak.
That the words given by God are spoken is the responsibility of the believer who is energized (given the utterance) by God.
I am not clear on what you are saying. The gift of tongues is one of the volitional gifts, meaning it is something you actually initiate. People with the gift of tongues can use the gift at any time, at will. Some people act as if the Holy Spirit overtakes them and they lose control of their mouth but if the apostle Paul told people to stop being out of order with tongues it means that the tongue speaker is in control of his or her mouth.
I keep hearing this lately. Do you not believe that prophecy is a foretelling of the future? For example, the Lord couldn't highlight to me fifteen years from now a specific date at which something will take place in your life? Do you not think this is what prophecy is? I am finding lately people diminishing prophecy to no longer being a forthtelling or foretelling of the future, but just wisdom for current circumstances.
Yes..let me ask you a question first - can you as an act of your will use your mind to start to pray? It is the same way with praying in tongues with your spirit.
Here is the scripture. Notice Paul says "I will"...pray with the spirit and "I will" pray with the mind. He also says "I will" sing with both too.
1 Corinthians 14:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.
Here is the scripture. Notice Paul says "I will"...pray with the spirit and "I will" pray with the mind. He also says "I will" sing with both too.
1 Corinthians 14:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.
It is one of the many kinds of manners. Can you name other manners that witness God spoke from heaven?
Utterance is an inspired revelation as God’s interpretation. It is not a private interpretation of man inspired from earth..
Yes, it I believe is called a revelation. The revealing of thing not seen .The faith principle.
Yes, those words are not of themselves. They are not in the place of God.
Yes inspired(energized) by God as a revelation of God.
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time "by the will of man": but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
The problem today is many people speak in tongues but there is no one to interpret what the person has said. How can we be edified by someone speaking in tongues when we do not know what they are saying?
Also what about the person who does interpret what is said and speaks totally opposite of what God has said in the Scriptures? I have witnessed this before in many Churches.
I believe today Satan is using tongues to deceive people with false doctrines.
Also what about the person who does interpret what is said and speaks totally opposite of what God has said in the Scriptures? I have witnessed this before in many Churches.
I believe today Satan is using tongues to deceive people with false doctrines.
Oh boy.......
I believe all of the gifts are valid today. And just because you haven't experienced something or haven't seen it in person doesn't mean you can't believe they exist. The testimony of friends, family members, pastors can be validation.
If you're going to use this kind of argument with my stance on speaking in tongues, you should be consistent and apply it to EVERYTHING Biblical in YOUR life. If you believe something is Biblicial but you haven't been exposed to it, you better not believe it's real, because that would be a compromise.
And do you really have a hard time with saying that if speaking in tongues isn't done within Biblical guidelines, it's not legitimate?
You seem much more argumentative than usual, Roger. I'm praying everything is well and blessed with you and yours.
Matt
I believe all of the gifts are valid today. And just because you haven't experienced something or haven't seen it in person doesn't mean you can't believe they exist. The testimony of friends, family members, pastors can be validation.
If you're going to use this kind of argument with my stance on speaking in tongues, you should be consistent and apply it to EVERYTHING Biblical in YOUR life. If you believe something is Biblicial but you haven't been exposed to it, you better not believe it's real, because that would be a compromise.
And do you really have a hard time with saying that if speaking in tongues isn't done within Biblical guidelines, it's not legitimate?
You seem much more argumentative than usual, Roger. I'm praying everything is well and blessed with you and yours.
Matt
So you see God as a fortune teller?
The prophecy of Gods word is that all who perish apart from Christ have a place in the lake of fire that burns for ever and ever.
Ro 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The prophecy of Gods word is that all who perish apart from Christ have a place in the lake of fire that burns for ever and ever.
Ro 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
For the cause of Christ
Roger