Psalm 119 - Love for God's Law

JimmyTheLock · Nov 24, 2023

It's speaking of those that once had the knowledge of God... so this is speaking of those that were born again but turned away from the Lord and chose to not retain the knowledge of God, and so the Lord turned them over to a reprobate mind and thei9r understanding became darkened

There are many who appear to be Christians... that have been turned over to a reprobate mind and many that are preachers too!

Braweh said:

And yet... one of the 10 Commandments are NOT something New Testament believers are requited to follow and that is.... keeping Saturday sabbath.

NO where in the New Testament are any teachings found instructing Christians to keep Saturday sabbath as being a requirement for salvation. Not one verse teaches this.

The other commandments we are to keep thru the empowering of the Holy Spirit living within... which is totally different than what they did under the Old Testament. (see Philippians 4:13 - I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath He obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also He is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

HE is speaking of Jesus, our High Priest under the New Covenant (New Testament)

Braweh · Nov 24, 2023

JimmyTheLock said:

If you'd have simply turned to Luke 23:54-56 in your Bible, any translation you like, you'd have saved yourself the inconvenience of having posted this.

It is exactly the evidence you just claimed does not exist in Scripture.

It is a passage that takes place after the Crucifixion, after Christ's death, when you claim Christ intended His followers to stop obeying the Sabbath.

"54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.

56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

If anybody would know what Christ expected of Christians, these people would know for certain.

Clearly, He expected us to keep the 10 Commandments.

All of them.

JimmyTheLock · Nov 24, 2023

Yes, and in the Book of Acts the Apostles had that big meeting t0 figure out if any of the old testament laws was required for Christians to follow and... they said nothing at all about Saturday sabbath.

None of the Apostles were led by the Lord to mention this in their writings... so the passage you are referring to is what the folks did under the Old Testament, not something required under the New Testament.

Paul plainly declared that no Christian should be “judged” (i.e., condemned) for failing to observe the Sabbath (Col. 2:16) — a statement that never would have been made if the law of Moses had been binding when the apostle penned his letter.

The evidence of the New Testament is decisive. The early Christians met on “the first day of the week” (Acts 20:7), indeed “every first day of the week” (1 Cor. 16:2). [Note: The Greek of 1 Corinthians 16:2 is kata mian sabbatou, literally, “on the first day of every week” — see: J.H. Thayer, Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, Edinburgh: T.&T. Clark, 1958, p. 328).

There is no biblical case that can be made in defense of “Christian Sabbath-keeping” for today. Efforts to this end are exercises in theological futility. That proposition has the support of neither Scripture mandate nor apostolic precedent. There is no scriptural call to action in the New Testament for Christians to “Christian Sabbath-keeping”… Jesus Christ IS our Sabbath and those walking in the Spirit being born again have entered into Christ being translated from the world into the Kingdom of God’s Dear Son (Colossians 1:13).

Sundays - Why we Observe

Jesus arose upon the first day of the week.
Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1

Pentecost by Divine design always came on Sunday. (Lev. 23:15-16)
Acts 2

The church was established repentance and remission of sins first preached this Sunday in Acts 2 and they were added to the saved.
Acts 2

The early church met on the first day of the week for communion (or to have a meal together and fellowship while hearing Paul teach).
Acts 20:7

Early church offerings were directed to be done upon the first day of the week.
1 Corinthians 16:2

Colossians 2:16,17
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Braweh · Nov 24, 2023

JimmyTheLock said:

Yes, and in the Book of Acts the Apostles had that big meeting t0 figure out if any of the old testament laws was required for Christians to follow and... they said nothing at all about Saturday sabbath.

None of the Apostles were led by the Lord to mention this in their writings... so the passage you are referring to is what the folks did under the Old Testament, not something required under the New Testament.

Paul plainly declared that no Christian should be “judged” (i.e., condemned) for failing to observe the Sabbath (Col. 2:16) — a statement that never would have been made if the law of Moses had been binding when the apostle penned his letter.

The evidence of the New Testament is decisive. The early Christians met on “the first day of the week” (Acts 20:7), indeed “every first day of the week” (1 Cor. 16:2). [Note: The Greek of 1 Corinthians 16:2 is kata mian sabbatou, literally, “on the first day of every week” — see: J.H. Thayer, Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, Edinburgh: T.&T. Clark, 1958, p. 328).

There is no biblical case that can be made in defense of “Christian Sabbath-keeping” for today. Efforts to this end are exercises in theological futility. That proposition has the support of neither Scripture mandate nor apostolic precedent. There is no scriptural call to action in the New Testament for Christians to “Christian Sabbath-keeping”… Jesus Christ IS our Sabbath and those walking in the Spirit being born again have entered into Christ being translated from the world into the Kingdom of God’s Dear Son (Colossians 1:13).

Sundays - Why we Observe

Jesus arose upon the first day of the week.
Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1

Pentecost by Divine design always came on Sunday. (Lev. 23:15-16)
Acts 2

The church was established repentance and remission of sins first preached this Sunday in Acts 2 and they were added to the saved.
Acts 2

The early church met on the first day of the week for communion (or to have a meal together and fellowship while hearing Paul teach).
Acts 20:7

Early church offerings were directed to be done upon the first day of the week.
1 Corinthians 16:2

Colossians 2:16,17
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Interestingly, you're doing what so many do who are offended by the notion that Christians should obey God, or Christ. You are implying that the Apostles' word overpowers the word of Jesus Christ.

So, yes, Jesus taught all the 10 Commandments.
Matt. 5:19
Matt. 23:1-3

Yes, Jesus obeyed them all.
John 15:10

Yes, His followers did what they understood Him to have taught them they should do after His death and obeyed the Sabbath Commandment.
Lk. 23:54-56

BUT, ... Paul and Luke then changed Christ's teachings after His Crucifixion??

I don't know how you justify such sloppy doctrine, but I know that if you're so convinced of it, there's probably not much reason to further attempt any reasoning with you.

God bless.

SilverFox7 · Nov 25, 2023

JaumeJ said:

The history of Israel is quite interesting. It's roots go back to Abraham's grandson, Jacob, whose name was changed by God to Israel:

Genesis 35:10

New King James Version

10 And God said to him, “Your name is Jacob; your name shall not be called Jacob anymore, but Israel shall be your name.” So He called his name Israel.

Israel's sons and two grandsons (Ephraim & Manasseh--sons of Joseph) became the twelve tribes of Israel, and those tribes were united under King David and King Solomon at the height of their power and prestige as a nation.

Unfortunately, the kingdom fell apart after Solomon, and the nation was separated into the Northern Kingdom called Israel and the Southern Kingdom called Judah (tribes of Judah and Benjamin). Israel fell into heavy idolatry as a nation and crumbled quite quickly, ultimately being conquered and hauled off to the north in Assyria. Judah had their ups and downs and lasted a little longer than Israel, but they were eventually conquered by the Babylonians due to unfaithfulness to God as well.

Interestingly, the tribes of Israel disappear from history (a lot of interesting theories out there on where they went and where they are now), but Judah and their diaspora throughout history has had a significant impact (Jesus is descended from Judah, and the modern day "Jews" compose the nation of Israel in Palestine).

As Christians, we share a spiritual heritage with Israel and Judah through Jesus Christ and our faith ties all the way back to Abraham, who is referred to by Paul as "...the father of us all" (Romans 4: 16).

So yes, brother, I am looking forward to being a citizen of that New Jerusalem in the future! God's promises to Abraham will reach their full climax there, a place where the children of faith and grace will dwell forever!

Braweh · Nov 25, 2023

SilverFox7 said:

The history of Israel is quite interesting. It's roots go back to Abraham's grandson, Jacob, whose name was changed by God to Israel:

Genesis 35:10

New King James Version

10 And God said to him, “Your name is Jacob; your name shall not be called Jacob anymore, but Israel shall be your name.” So He called his name Israel.

Israel's sons and two grandsons (Ephraim & Manasseh--sons of Joseph) became the twelve tribes of Israel, and those tribes were united under King David and King Solomon at the height of their power and prestige as a nation.

Unfortunately, the kingdom fell apart after Solomon, and the nation was separated into the Northern Kingdom called Israel and the Southern Kingdom called Judah (tribes of Judah and Benjamin). Israel fell into heavy idolatry as a nation and crumbled quite quickly, ultimately being conquered and hauled off to the north in Assyria. Judah had their ups and downs and lasted a little longer than Israel, but they were eventually conquered by the Babylonians due to unfaithfulness to God as well.

Interestingly, the tribes of Israel disappear from history (a lot of interesting theories out there on where they went and where they are now), but Judah and their diaspora throughout history has had a significant impact (Jesus is descended from Judah, and the modern day "Jews" compose the nation of Israel in Palestine).

As Christians, we share a spiritual heritage with Israel and Judah through Jesus Christ and our faith ties all the way back to Abraham, who is referred to by Paul as "...the father of us all" (Romans 4: 16).

So yes, brother, I am looking forward to being a citizen of that New Jerusalem in the future! God's promises to Abraham will reach their full climax there, a place where the children of faith and grace will dwell forever!

Agree, but I would just add that it is only those who fully embrace Christ who are Israel.

There are many referred to as Israel today who do not meet that criteria at all.

Gal. 3:16, 26, 29

JimmyTheLock · Nov 25, 2023

Braweh said:

Jesus never instructed His followers to keep Saturday sabbath... when He walked the earth He lived under the old covenant and as such He had to obey what was in place at that time.... but there are ZERO teachings inb the New Testament commanding we observe Saturday sabbath.

This all comes from the false doctrines of the 7th Day Adventist "church" starting with Ellen G White which does not even meet the biblical qualifications to be a minister of the Gospel!

Your argument has failed spectacularly seeing you cannot produce not even ONE scripture where the Lord Jesus or His teachings thru His Apostles... commands Christians to observe Saturday sabbath.

So, when is your next animal sacrifice anyhow?

But, one thing is sure, those that are going to live under the law, what Jesus has done at the Cross is of no effect unto them so they have fallen from grace!

Galatians 5:4-9
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

Galatians 4:9-11
But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Braweh · Nov 25, 2023

JimmyTheLock said:

Jesus never instructed His followers to keep Saturday sabbath... when He walked the earth He lived under the old covenant and as such He had to obey what was in place at that time.... but there are ZERO teachings inb the New Testament commanding we observe Saturday sabbath.

This all comes from the false doctrines of the 7th Day Adventist "church" starting with Ellen G White which does not even meet the biblical qualifications to be a minister of the Gospel!

Your argument has failed spectacularly seeing you cannot produce not even ONE scripture where the Lord Jesus or His teachings thru His Apostles... commands Christians to observe Saturday sabbath.

So, when is your next animal sacrifice anyhow?

But, one thing is sure, those that are going to live under the law, what Jesus has done at the Cross is of no effect unto them so they have fallen from grace!

Galatians 5:4-9
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

Galatians 4:9-11
But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Nobody but satanists sacrifice animals (or people) anymore, Jimmy.

Those ordinances ended at the Cross.
Eph. 2:15
Heb. 7:16
Heb. 9:10

And you are still expected to "strive against sin", Jimmy.
Heb. 12:4

And sin is the breaking of the 10 Commandments.
1 Jn. 3:4

Read a good KJV, Jimmy.

JimmyTheLock · Nov 25, 2023

Hey, you're the one claiming we should be living under the old testament laws by observing Saturday sabbath

Braweh said:

So you believe that Christians can do anything not specifically listed in the 10 Commandments???

The 10 Commandments doesn't say anything about getting drunk... so you're good with getting drunk?

It mentions nothing about smoking weed... you good with the potheads???

Point being, there are other things that are sin that are not specifically listed in the 10 Commandments ya know.

Braweh said:

That's all I use... homie.

Blik · Nov 25, 2023

JimmyTheLock said:

Braweh said:

Absolutely nothing ended at the cross. The OT is God and the NT is God, and Christ said he changed nothing in Matthew 5:17.

What the cross did was change the way God's messages were given. Instead of the everlasting stone that is earthly and of flesh used to symbolically give God's spiritual messages through flesh, the message is given spiritually in our hearts.

JimmyTheLock · Nov 25, 2023

Blik said:

So... WHEN is your next animal sacrifice???

I mean if NOTHING has changed and we still be under the old testament... we better get busy keeping the law then right?

Braweh · Nov 25, 2023

Blik said:

Well, something certainly ended.

"It is finished!"

It certainly wasn't the 10 Commandments, that Jesus declared are to be kept, just two verses after your Matt. 5:17 verse.

JimmyTheLock · Nov 25, 2023

Braweh said:

9 of the 10 Commandments... can be found in the New Testament as Commandments.

The only exception is Saturday sabbath.... Jesus and His Apostles He used to write the New Testament thru... never once commanded Christians to keep Saturday sabbath

So, Saturday sabbath is NOT a salvation critical issue....

We are to rest IN Christ abiding IN Him all the days of our life.... He is out rest, therefore HE is our sabbath and it's ain't just once days of the week as we are to abide IN Him 24/7/365... and take no jive!

Blik · Nov 25, 2023

JimmyTheLock said:

Right, we should follow Christ within us, Christ did not disobey the law.

Scripture tells us that if we love Him, we will obey Him. If we fail we are to repent and ask forgiveness. Wen Adam and Eve disobeyed and brought on death, God gave us Christ as the first reaction to that. In the old testament it was forgiveness and life through a fleshly symbol: the sacrificial system. Christ fulfilled that system, as Christ fulfilled all the fleshly symbols of the OT.

JimmyTheLock · Nov 26, 2023

Blik said:

Jesus HAD to keep the law since He came to fulfill the law and He had to keep it with perfection.

Under the New Covenant... we are not taught or instructed to follow the Old Testament law.

This is what the Hebrew root movement leads to... going back under the law to trust the OT laws for your salvation

But, one thing is sure, those that are going to live under the law, what Jesus has done at the Cross is of no effect unto them so they have fallen from grace!

Galatians 5:4-9
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

Galatians 4:9-11
But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Blik · Nov 26, 2023

JimmyTheLock said:

By "OT law, if you mean we are not to follow the fleshly instructions that are symbolic of the OT spiritual law, then I agree. However, those symbolic fleshly instructions are to lead to understanding the spiritual law they are symbols of, then we are to follow those laws.

Those fleshly instructions were of God, given by God. God does not change, God is the same forever. God does not change His mind, the fleshly symbols were perfect. We are to obey the spiritual law they symbolized.

SilverFox7 · Dec 19, 2023

SilverFox7 said:

"I am Yours, save me..." (Ps. 119: 94) the psalmist crys out. That's a prayer worth repeating on a regular basis. And then, the climax of this psalm occurs for me:

Psalm 119:96-100

New King James Version

96 I have seen the consummation of all perfection,
But Your commandment is exceedingly broad.

מ MEM

97 Oh, how I love Your law!
It is my meditation all the day.
98 You, through Your commandments, make me wiser than my enemies;
For they are ever with me.
99 I have more understanding than all my teachers,
For Your testimonies are my meditation.
100 I understand more than the [a]ancients,

I love the wording, "consummation of all perfection..." (v. 96). It's like perfection is unified in the poet's eye. Perhaps, above and beyond that, there is a union or oneness experienced with YHWH by that sincere striving for His commandments, which are "exceedingly broad" (v. 96).

He has to cry out, "Oh, how I love your law!" (v. 97). This is not, oh woe is me, I have to obey or I'll be punished. No, it is true love--a foretaste of what God desires to have with all of His creation and His children in particular.

God elevates me by the power of His Word. It is sad to see how troubled our world is today, yet all we have to do is repent and cry out to our Creator for redemption and salvation. I see all the bad news at work out there, but the good news, the gospel, is there to save me. That's the piece that is missing in this world--consummation with our Creator! The hand is extended; all I have to do is embrace it.

I remember sitting in several classes enjoying commentary from brilliant professors yet also being baffled by how ignorant they were about God and His Word. It's not like I was smarter than they were by any means, but the Holy Spirit gives us "more understanding than all my teachers" (v. 99). That is from my point of view, "teachers" from a secular perspective who are brilliant scholars in their field yet clueless about the big picture. If God and His Word are not the foundation for our education and lives on the whole, it's all ultimately vanity as the preacher says in Ecclesiastes.

God's Word in all its various forms illuminates our paths as we walk with Him and journey towards the fullness of His Kingdom:

Psalm 119:105

King James Version

105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Although there is a lot of darkness associated with this life and world, Jesus and his Word provides the light I need to stay on the straight and narrow path to becoming more like Him and developing His character.

The light that shows me the way is hopefully shining within me brightly as well to be a light towards others, so they one day too can join me in this great quest to the New Jerusalem!

Aaron56 · Dec 19, 2023

Braweh said:

If you'd have simply turned to Luke 23:54-56 in your Bible, any translation you like, you'd have saved yourself the inconvenience of having posted this.

It is exactly the evidence you just claimed does not exist in Scripture.

It is a passage that takes place after the Crucifixion, after Christ's death, when you claim Christ intended His followers to stop obeying the Sabbath.

"54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.

56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

If anybody would know what Christ expected of Christians, these people would know for certain.

Clearly, He expected us to keep the 10 Commandments.

All of them.

They did not yet have the revelation of Paul, Peter or John. They only knew what Jesus taught under the Law.

SilverFox7 · Jan 15, 2024

SilverFox7 said:

There is an intense longing for salvation and the word of God's righteousness by the psalmist:

Psalm 119:123-124

King James Version

123 Mine eyes fail for thy salvation, and for the word of thy righteousness.
124 Deal with thy servant according unto thy mercy, and teach me thy statutes.

God's saving power delivers us from the grips of sin, Satan, and all of the evil in this fallen world. His word corrects us, nourishes us, and sustains us. God's mercy is always there, and I desire to be taught continually from His Word--Jesus and the Bible.

GRACE_ambassador · Jan 15, 2024

SilverFox7 said:

Double Amen! As The Two, Jesus And The Bible Cannot Be ''Separated":

Handling The Word Of Life!

And Amen.

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