Psalm 27

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evyaniy

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Thank you to those who raised specific Scriptutal objections along the way. Those caused further study which further confirmed Psalm 119 is without question the the Son's prayer for life and to be raised. He even refers to Himself as a slain Lamb in the last verse if it had been translated correctly. The questions led to even more proof that Psalm 119 is the Son's prayer.
 
Magenta

Magenta

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evyaniy said:
He said He had a commandment from His Father that He would be raised because of His obedience.
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You missed/left out where Jesus said He would do it. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself.
I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

evyaniy said:
No He didn't.
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Yes, He did.
 
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evyaniy

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Magenta said:
You missed/left out where Jesus said He would do it. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself.
I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Yes, He did.
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Didn't miss it. His Authority to lay it down was in His obedience. His Authority to receive His life again was in His faith in His Father's promise/commandment to Him because of His obedience.

Other Scriptures specifically tell us the Father raised Him.

Not going to debate with you. Presented what you needed to know.
 
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evyaniy said:
Didn't miss it. His Authority to lay it down was in His obedience. His Authority to receive His life again was in His faith in His Father's promise/commandment to Him because of His obedience.

Other Scriptures specifically tell us the Father raised Him.

Not going to debate with you. Presented what you needed to know.
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Your scenario presents Jesus as being given all power and authority because He obeyed
God, but then disobeys the command to raise Himself. Doesn't make much sense.
 
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2000 years it was hidden. tried to explain it to people a few times in recent years. Lost some time in there. Guess it does not matter since believers cannot even see it. Had nothing to do with keeping it hidden for 2000 years. Maybe it will stay that way.
 
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evyaniy

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Magenta said:
Your scenario presents Jesus as being given all power and authority because He obeyed
God, but then disobeys the command to raise Himself. Doesn't make much sense.
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Hang on to the mistranslated verse or get a Greek scholar to chime in.

His power to lay His life down was in His hands in obedience to the Law.
His power to receive His life again was in His Faith in His Father's commandment/promise of life in the Law to Him.

His Father raised Him as many verses tell us.
 
Magenta

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evyaniy said:
Hang on to the mistranslated verse or get a Greek scholar to chime in.
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John 10:18 ►

New International Version
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay
it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.

New Living Translation
No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it
down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded.

English Standard Version
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down,
and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.

Berean Standard Bible
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I have authority to lay
it down and authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from My Father.

Berean Literal Bible
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have authority to lay it down,
and I have authority to take it again. This commandment I received from My Father.

King James Bible
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down,
and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

New King James Version
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down,
and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.

New American Standard Bible
No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own. I have authority to lay it
down, and I have authority to take it back. This commandment I received from My Father.

NASB 1995
“No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay
it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father.

NASB 1977
“No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay
it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father.

Legacy Standard Bible
No one takes it away from Me, but from Myself, I lay it down. I have authority to lay it down,
and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father.

Amplified Bible
No one takes it away from Me, but I lay it down voluntarily. I am authorized and have power to lay it down and
to give it up, and I am authorized and have power to take it back. This command I have received from My Father.

Christian Standard Bible
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down on my own. I have the right to lay it down,
and I have the right to take it up again. I have received this command from my Father.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down on My own. I have the right to lay it down,
and I have the right to take it up again. I have received this command from My Father.

American Standard Version
No one taketh it away from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down,
and I have power to take it again. This commandment received I from my Father.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“No man takes it from me; I am laying it down of my own will, for I am authorized to lay it down,
and I am authorized to receive it again; this commandment I have received from my Father.

Contemporary English Version
No one takes my life from me. I give it up willingly! I have the power to give it up
and the power to receive it back again, just as my Father commanded me to do.

Douay-Rheims Bible
No man taketh it away from me: but I lay it down of myself, and I have power to lay it down:
and I have power to take it up again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

English Revised Version
No one taketh it away from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down,
and I have power to take it again. This commandment received I from my Father.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
No one takes my life from me. I give my life of my own free will. I have the authority to give my
life, and I have the authority to take my life back again. This is what my Father ordered me to do.

Good News Translation
No one takes my life away from me. I give it up of my own free will. I have the right to give
it up, and I have the right to take it back. This is what my Father has commanded me to do.

International Standard Version
No one is taking it from me; I lay it down of my own free will. I have the authority to lay it down,
and I have the authority to take it back again. This is what my Father has commanded me.

Literal Standard Version
no one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself; authority I have to lay it down,
and authority I have again to take it; this command I received from My Father.

Majority Standard Bible
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I have authority to lay it
down and authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from My Father.

New American Bible
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down on my own. I have power to lay it down,
and power to take it up again. This command I have received from my Father.

NET Bible
No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down of my own free will. I have the authority to lay it
down, and I have the authority to take it back again. This commandment I received from my Father.

New Revised Standard Version
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have power to lay it down,
and I have power to take it up again. I have received this command from my Father.

New Heart English Bible
No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down by myself. I have power to lay it down,
and I have power to take it again. I received this commandment from my Father.

Webster's Bible Translation
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and
I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received from my Father.

Weymouth New Testament
No one is taking it away from me, but I myself am laying it down. I am authorized to lay it down,
and I am authorized to receive it back again. This is the command I received from my Father.

World English Bible
No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down by myself. I have power to lay it down, and
I have power to take it again. I received this commandment from my Father.

Young's Literal Translation
no one doth take it from me, but I lay it down of myself; authority I have to lay it down,
and authority I have again to take it; this command I received from my Father.
 
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evyaniy

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He was separated from His Father during death while He suffered death for our sins. Psalm 88 makes that clear.

His Father had to raise Him. He could not raise Himself.
 
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evyaniy

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Magenta said:
John 10:18 ►

New International Version
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay
it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”

New Living Translation
No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it
down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded.”

English Standard Version
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down,
and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”

Berean Standard Bible
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I have authority to lay
it down and authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from My Father.”

Berean Literal Bible
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have authority to lay it down,
and I have authority to take it again. This commandment I received from My Father."

King James Bible
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down,
and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

New King James Version
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down,
and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”

New American Standard Bible
No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own. I have authority to lay it
down, and I have authority to take it back. This commandment I received from My Father.”

NASB 1995
“No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay
it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father.”

NASB 1977
“No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay
it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father.”

Legacy Standard Bible
No one takes it away from Me, but from Myself, I lay it down. I have authority to lay it down,
and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father.”

Amplified Bible
No one takes it away from Me, but I lay it down voluntarily. I am authorized and have power to lay it down and
to give it up, and I am authorized and have power to take it back. This command I have received from My Father.”

Christian Standard Bible
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down on my own. I have the right to lay it down,
and I have the right to take it up again. I have received this command from my Father.”

Holman Christian Standard Bible
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down on My own. I have the right to lay it down, and I have the right to take it up again. I have received this command from My Father.”

American Standard Version
No one taketh it away from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment received I from my Father.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“No man takes it from me; I am laying it down of my own will, for I am authorized to lay it down, and I am authorized to receive it again; this commandment I have received from my Father.”

Contemporary English Version
No one takes my life from me. I give it up willingly! I have the power to give it up and the power to receive it back again, just as my Father commanded me to do.

Douay-Rheims Bible
No man taketh it away from me: but I lay it down of myself, and I have power to lay it down: and I have power to take it up again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

English Revised Version
No one taketh it away from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment received I from my Father.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
No one takes my life from me. I give my life of my own free will. I have the authority to give my life, and I have the authority to take my life back again. This is what my Father ordered me to do."

Good News Translation
No one takes my life away from me. I give it up of my own free will. I have the right to give it up, and I have the right to take it back. This is what my Father has commanded me to do."

International Standard Version
No one is taking it from me; I lay it down of my own free will. I have the authority to lay it down, and I have the authority to take it back again. This is what my Father has commanded me."

Literal Standard Version
no one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself; authority I have to lay it down, and authority I have again to take it; this command I received from My Father.”

Majority Standard Bible
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from My Father.”

New American Bible
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down on my own. I have power to lay it down, and power to take it up again. This command I have received from my Father.”

NET Bible
No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down of my own free will. I have the authority to lay it down, and I have the authority to take it back again. This commandment I received from my Father."

New Revised Standard Version
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it up again. I have received this command from my Father.”

New Heart English Bible
No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down by myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. I received this commandment from my Father."

Webster's Bible Translation
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received from my Father.

Weymouth New Testament
No one is taking it away from me, but I myself am laying it down. I am authorized to lay it down, and I am authorized to receive it back again. This is the command I received from my Father."

World English Bible
No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down by myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. I received this commandment from my Father.”

Young's Literal Translation
no one doth take it from me, but I lay it down of myself; authority I have to lay it down, and authority I have again to take it; this command I received from my Father.'
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Yes, they all followed the KJV lead and translated it take when it should have been receive. Very unfortunate but not the first time.

There are Greek geeks on the forum. Get them to chime in on the word.
 
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Magenta said:
John 10:18 ►

New International Version
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay
it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.

New Living Translation
No one can take my life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily. For I have the authority to lay it
down when I want to and also to take it up again. For this is what my Father has commanded.

English Standard Version
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down,
and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.

Berean Standard Bible
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I have authority to lay
it down and authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from My Father.

Berean Literal Bible
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have authority to lay it down,
and I have authority to take it again. This commandment I received from My Father.

King James Bible
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down,
and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

New King James Version
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down,
and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.

New American Standard Bible
No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own. I have authority to lay it
down, and I have authority to take it back. This commandment I received from My Father.

NASB 1995
“No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay
it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father.

NASB 1977
“No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay
it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father.

Legacy Standard Bible
No one takes it away from Me, but from Myself, I lay it down. I have authority to lay it down,
and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father.

Amplified Bible
No one takes it away from Me, but I lay it down voluntarily. I am authorized and have power to lay it down and
to give it up, and I am authorized and have power to take it back. This command I have received from My Father.

Christian Standard Bible
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down on my own. I have the right to lay it down,
and I have the right to take it up again. I have received this command from my Father.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down on My own. I have the right to lay it down,
and I have the right to take it up again. I have received this command from My Father.

American Standard Version
No one taketh it away from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down,
and I have power to take it again. This commandment received I from my Father.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“No man takes it from me; I am laying it down of my own will, for I am authorized to lay it down,
and I am authorized to receive it again; this commandment I have received from my Father.

Contemporary English Version
No one takes my life from me. I give it up willingly! I have the power to give it up
and the power to receive it back again, just as my Father commanded me to do.

Douay-Rheims Bible
No man taketh it away from me: but I lay it down of myself, and I have power to lay it down:
and I have power to take it up again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

English Revised Version
No one taketh it away from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down,
and I have power to take it again. This commandment received I from my Father.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
No one takes my life from me. I give my life of my own free will. I have the authority to give my
life, and I have the authority to take my life back again. This is what my Father ordered me to do.

Good News Translation
No one takes my life away from me. I give it up of my own free will. I have the right to give
it up, and I have the right to take it back. This is what my Father has commanded me to do.

International Standard Version
No one is taking it from me; I lay it down of my own free will. I have the authority to lay it down,
and I have the authority to take it back again. This is what my Father has commanded me.

Literal Standard Version
no one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself; authority I have to lay it down,
and authority I have again to take it; this command I received from My Father.

Majority Standard Bible
No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I have authority to lay it
down and authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from My Father.

New American Bible
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down on my own. I have power to lay it down,
and power to take it up again. This command I have received from my Father.

NET Bible
No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down of my own free will. I have the authority to lay it
down, and I have the authority to take it back again. This commandment I received from my Father.

New Revised Standard Version
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have power to lay it down,
and I have power to take it up again. I have received this command from my Father.

New Heart English Bible
No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down by myself. I have power to lay it down,
and I have power to take it again. I received this commandment from my Father.

Webster's Bible Translation
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and
I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received from my Father.

Weymouth New Testament
No one is taking it away from me, but I myself am laying it down. I am authorized to lay it down,
and I am authorized to receive it back again. This is the command I received from my Father.

World English Bible
No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down by myself. I have power to lay it down, and
I have power to take it again. I received this commandment from my Father.

Young's Literal Translation
no one doth take it from me, but I lay it down of myself; authority I have to lay it down,
and authority I have again to take it; this command I received from my Father.
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Looky there. This one bucked the trend and got it right. Showing that at least they translated it correctly as it should have been by the others.

Contemporary English Version
No one takes my life from me. I give it up willingly! I have the power to give it up
and the power to receive it back again, just as my Father commanded me to do.
 
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This one got it right too showing it could have be received and not take if it were translated correctly. Thanks for the list.

Weymouth New Testament
No one is taking it away from me, but I myself am laying it down. I am authorized to lay it down,
and I am authorized to receive it back again. This is the command I received from my Father.
 
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evyaniy

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#72
This one translated it as receive too.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“No man takes it from me; I am laying it down of my own will, for I am authorized to lay it down,
and I am authorized to receive it again; this commandment I have received from my Father.
 
Magenta

Magenta

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evyaniy said:
Hang on to the mistranslated verse or get a Greek scholar to chime in.

His power to lay His life down was in His hands in obedience to the Law.
His power to receive His life again was in His Faith in His Father's commandment/promise of life in the Law to Him.

His Father raised Him as many verses tell us.
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Is Jesus God in your view?
 
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His Father's seal of approval on His Sacrifice and His life and His
Magenta said:
Is Jesus God in your view?
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Of course. You must not have read many of my posts. Unbelievable question coming from you.

He became a Man in flesh and emptied Himself or set aside His Divine attributes to suffer death for us as a Man to save us. He did that as a Man.
 
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Magenta

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evyaniy said:
His Father's seal of approval on His Sacrifice and His life and His

Of course. You must not have read many of my posts. Unbelievable question coming from you.
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That's quite an assumption coming from you. Brings this to mind:

evyaniy said:
Your underhanded slurs are not appreciated but helps show who is who.
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Magenta said:
That's quite an assumption coming from you.
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Maybe so. Can't believe you would ask that question after reading so many posts defending His Divinity.
 
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#77
Magenta said:
Your scenario presents Jesus as being given all power and authority because He obeyed
God, but then disobeys the command to raise Himself. Doesn't make much sense.
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In a round about way He denies that Jesus is God.
 
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It should have been translated receive as a few other translations got it right. that is what matters. His Father raised Him as many other verses say. In the Psalms He asked to be saved and raised in a number of places. It is integral to understanding Scripture that the Father raised Him. If He raised Himself then His prayers in the Psalms would not make sense. He was dependent on His Father as a Man.
 
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