Puzzling question about the Tribulation - I got stumpt!

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May 29, 2012
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We CANNOT make this about anything other than ourselves!

Ecclesiastes 3:18-22

18*I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

19*For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

20*All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

21*Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

22*Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?
 
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Marks on the forehead, the good, the bad, and the ugly.
(taking into account of course, any pertinent surrounding text)

Jeremiah 3:3
Ezekiel 3:8
Ezekiel 9:1-6 (Revelation 7:2, 9:4)
Ezekiel 16:12
Exodus 13:16
Exodus 28:38
2 Chronicles 26:19
Leviticus 13:40-44
1 Samuel 17:49
Deuteronomy 6:8
Deuteronomy 11:18
 
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Shilo

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will read , thank you
 

JaumeJ

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Below is a screen capture of a previous post on this question. The adjectives in the larger blue oval all share the same antecedent, ALL, underlined. The word "SAVE" in the smaller blue oval may also be the word "EXCEPT." This effectively omits those who will not receive the mark, those who follow the Lamb of God, Yahweh. Again, all is referring to the small and great, to the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond, but those who believe God, Yahweh, are not in this group, therefore it is not all mankind. Also by the use of the word "save" there are the exceptions of those willing to be beheaded rather than to deny the Almighty. I hope this is helpful.
 

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I'm glad you all liked the question ha ha.... ya I think it does say both the mark and worship the beast. So there are both that have to happen. So even if you got say the mark forced on you in prison then as long as you didn't agree and you didn't worship the beast or willingly go along with it then you'd be fine. I think that would be the most likely scenario. It just seemed like a bit of a puzzling question when I was being confronted with that idea. I should go back no and find that post and reply to that guy who asked me. Now I can explain it better to him. thanks. And don't take the mirco chip to do your shopping when it arrives in the next decade or so okay!
 
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in this quote of Rev. both bond & free are caused to get the mark, bond means "servant, vol. or invol." I imagine that as soon as the prison lawyers on the inside of the prisons, (prisoners) ,get wind of this they will sue & win in court. A prisoner is not a servant. I have heard the manager of a major grocery telling another employee about putting our bank acct #s on our skin in the form of a tatooed bar code that could only be seen under black lights. Only a black light would need to be added to the cash register/scanner. I listened to this whole conversation about how old people's skin would require it to be put on their foreheads.
I agree with other poster. We won't be here then.
 
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Also, it says "He causeth all to recieve the mark".. both free & bond etc. ( In order that he may buy or sell) The CAUSE may be that a law was passed. Like it might mean, "He passed a law requiring all to recieve the mark".Again, we can take it to court, saying it's against our religious beliefs. Nothing can be forced on a prisoner. You can't even force them to work. They have more rights than the employees & sue over everything minor. The leader of the world will be dispensing law.
Also back to a previous post or 2 about the chip. Just last night on a national tv show, they were discussing a horrible murder of a child who was placed in a city recycling bin. They are tracing the chip that was put in all of the city recycling bins, which are attached to a home address, weighed every time it is picked up, & after so long with a lot of recycling weight, they plan on adding additional fees to those who recycle too much by weight. The bin was in front of a vacant house, yet they are still attempting to identify the killer thru the chip's info. There's a good use for the chips already.
 

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"religion" will be blamed for "wars" and mass loss of life.. "population reduction" ... they will need a new way for man to live in " peace" and "safety" ......

What better way than to identify every individual by a common " mark" to allow them to be part of the "new world"

One considers that an allegiance by denouncing ones beliefs and agreeing to comply "worship" the the person they say should lead the whole world...

Time will reveal all things.

There is nothing to fear when your foundation is Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah....
 
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We should look at scripture for this and not resort to assumptions. as far as i can see; its not chips and dip. : (
 
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If you are willing to accept that the mark of the beast has nothin to do with some microchip, and buying and selling has nothing to do with what we purchase out of stores, then it can be answered in simplicity.
Well that sounds as easy as using the OldTestaments usage of a mark, hand, or forehead.
Is anyone gona like a simple biblical answer? Can that sell a book or movie?
Get real!
 
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Okay, i wanted to make my thought clear , but I actually kept this short.

Okay, the Mark of the Beast how do we see it?


_____ Revelation 13:16-17: And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

The Mark of The Beast is as noticable as your Spirit and Works are! (Where is your alligance?)

First we are told that the spirit is like unto the wind- John 3:8
It is unseen! You can see the effects of the wind but you can not see the wind. Just as you can see the fruit (Works) of the Spirit but not the spirit! And we are told what is within comes out in Works.
__What is unseen(SPIRIT)? Faith, Intelect "Heart", Belief, love (note the fruits of such are visible but these are not!) Ideologies./ Holy Spirit = truth, devine intelect
__Okay what does the forehead represent? Mind, Intelect, Belief, IDEOLOGIES... (embrace) ect!
__This is to be decieved and to not be in truth. This is to think like the enemy. This is to have the ideologies of the enemy! This is to Reverence something other than the true Christ(Word). This is to be brainwashed. This is to Believe a lie.
__ What does the hand represent? WORKS! These are visible. To teach falsehoods, To sin (list all the sins), To do the Works of the enemy!

__ Look at how the World works. When it comes to trade we are all but a comodity. We work for civilization (to earn our worth)to earn money to buy and sell with! You have to be a part of the system to do so (embrace /afilliation). There is coming a great persecution for those who are true to Christ! We will be outcasts of this system (The World) and that will be visible.

When it comes to the beasts described in Dan.7 that set up the beast system that is the foundation of the One World System (NWO) relate to nations of today

Man sets up the One World System, It Then recieves a death blow only to be revived by the anti for His agendas /Dan.7/ Rev.13/

There are many types when it comes to The Mark of The Beast. There are many physical marks that show relation to individuals to ways of society (The World). examples: social security numbers, drivers license, birth certificates, islamic head covers and arm bands, gang tattoos,..... all these are just minor signs of embraceing earthly power structures (babylon- confussion). none of these marks can keep one from repentance like embracing a rebellious heart and ideology can. And those who carrying out evil works arent at the same time repenting. We can see that This Mark of the beast is upon all of the World TODAY. We are to be known by our fruits. This is how you see what is in the spirit. This is how you (and the enemy) sees where everyones alligance is.


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Okay well what about 666? That is when that wicked one comes In The Particular Role of the Anti christ and sets up the abomination of desolation and assumes the powers of the One World System (NWO)- 6th vial, 6th trumpet, 6th seal! Be not decieved! Note 6 comes before 7!!! Note the role of Spirit and flesh (works) in our Ongoing relationship with YHWH (YHVH).
__ A tattoo Nor chip would qualify when compared to all scripture. Niether could stop one from belief, repentance, communion, and the ways one shows reverence to YHWH or embraces the sacrifice!!!


/There is a false peace coming of which those of the World will embrace. There will be one that comes with great power that they shall embrace. He will have a message like that of pre trib- accept me and escape my wrath! Remember Christ says I come not with observation and he also says think not that I come to send peace but rather I come with a sword! False ideologies are infesting the major faiths to the exstint that they will embrace the false one (Who Does come with observation and a False Peace). The enemy teaches these ideologies by twisting scripture! The ones who are decieved shall deliver their own loved ones up to the Anti thinking he is the true Christ.

Those who have recieve the Seal of God and have Not the Mark of the beast are armed against the tribulations to come! It is Good to be prepared at all times Keep an ongoing relationship with YHWH.

We are to arm ourselves and stand during the tribulation that will decieve all those of the world (earthly). This is also seen as spiritual virginity!

2 Corinthians 11
1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.

2For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.




Matthew 24:19
And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mark 13:17
But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Luke 21:23
But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Luke 23:29
For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

To be impregnated spiritualy! (to embrace the false Christ, to embrace evil ideologies, to be decieved and spiritually lacking) to give suck- to nurse along the enemy and ways of wickedness (works/ fruits) example- to spread false teachings (Pre trib rapture) or to embrace breaking commandments and embrace earthly treasures more than spiritual (sin).
This is also the same as baring the mark of the beast!!!!! (SPIRIT and WORKS)
AMOS 8:11
 
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Well Nathan, you are a man. I guess you don't have to worry about breastfeeding your baby even if you are in the tribulation. This Scripture is a WOMAN's nightmare. I've never heard of this interpretation, but it could only be dreamt up by a man.
 
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no offense intended, sorry if it seemed so. I believe that the woman having birth pangs, hidden by God in the wilderness (during the tribulation) is the church.Yet I don't believe that all references to women are about the church. How were these passages interpreted by the listeners? Once someonewas offended by my saying I believed the church was the pregnant woman hidddien by God & they claimed the "bride" /church is a virgin who would NOT be pregnant!! So I try not to offend anyone, & sorry if I did Nathan.
 
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Strong's defines the word "suck" as mentioned in the above Scripture in 3 verses to mean "nipple", and in the 4th to mean "female" nipple.
 
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Well Nathan, you are a man. I guess you don't have to worry about breastfeeding your baby even if you are in the tribulation. This Scripture is a WOMAN's nightmare. I've never heard of this interpretation, but it could only be dreamt up by a man.
I am very confused by your statement. I think you did not understand what i said there. I said it is "NOT. a actual physical birth that its talking about. I thought I made that very clear. At the very start i said that this is "spiritual " ; something that you can't, easily see. I repeated the words spiritual, spirit and spiritualy ' many times. I thought it was clear that i was talking about that. Sorry for the misunderstanding . s
 
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Strong's defines the word "suck" as mentioned in the above Scripture in 3 verses to mean "nipple", and in the 4th to mean "female" nipple.
Now here, in this statement of yours; you are saying its physical? Did you follow the subject of this post ?
 
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no offense intended, sorry if it seemed so. I believe that the woman having birth pangs, hidden by God in the wilderness (during the tribulation) is the church.Yet I don't believe that all references to women are about the church. How were these passages interpreted by the listeners? Once someonewas offended by my saying I believed the church was the pregnant woman hidddien by God & they claimed the "bride" /church is a virgin who would NOT be pregnant!! So I try not to offend anyone, & sorry if I did Nathan.
You did not offend me at all. I'm still trying to understand what your thought is about?
 

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the bible says we are saved from the hour of temption. I think that if we are forced to recieve the mark God would save us because we are His paid for by His blood nothing will stop that.