Quakers!

[phil36]

Quakers or the religious society of friends was started in the 1650's by a man called 'George Fox'. Now my question is, are the quakers Christian?

Quakers certainly had roots in Christianity. However their beliefs differ widely, especially with the widespread belief that Jesus was just a good teacher. Not all quakers go along with this, however they affiliate and still call those who belive this heresy as brothers and children of God.

Other beliefs include, the bible only containing a part of truth.

That All men have the light of God in them??

Quakers seek religious truth in inner experience, and place great reliance on conscience as the basis of morality. (did you get that??) if this is the case what is their authority on Truth, it certainly isn't Scripture as it only contains some truth?


Many will masquerade as angels of light, but will Jesus say He knew them?
So are the quakers Christians, or just like other fringe distractments like the JWS and Mormons,and the infamous cult ' the children of God'.

Phil

 

[Harley_Angel]

I dunno if they are Christians, but they make some dang good oatmeal and granola.

 

[karuna]

Quakers or the religious society of friends was started in the 1650's by a man called 'George Fox'.

Was this his actual name or was this a pseudonym? Why write it like this?

So are the quakers Christians, or just like other fringe distractments like the JWS and Mormons,and the infamous cult ' the children of God'.

What will you do with the answer, once we've decided on it?

 

[loveschild]

I don't know much about quakers. Its funny though they came to my mind just the other day. My thought was they are like munks all serparated. What about spreading the word of God? Thats part of obeying God. I pray they will be true followers of God.

Anything I've ever seen was just movies and that all seemed cult like. I guess I should study them.

 

[QuestionTime]

I believe this thread was created specifically for me.

How can we know if the Quakers were Christians or no? Very simple. They endured terrible persecutions joyfully, even unto death. No unconverted man can joyfully suffer persecution and death.

Sure, Islamic Fundamentalists can blow themselves up in a moment, but they can't happily suffer torture for a long period of time unto death. This is all that is necessary to prove that the Quakers were truly Christian, even if their beliefs were somewhat different.

Perhaps it's wise for us to read what they had to say - because who knows - they may have been more on the ball than we are.

Quest

 

[charisenexcelcis]

I believe that they started as a Christian movement and that you can be a Quaker and a Christian. I think it is harder to know about the organization because they have no set beliefs. I also think there is something to be learned by observing what happened to the Quakers over the years.
Trivia: What American President was a Quaker?

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

I believe this thread was created specifically for me.

How can we know if the Quakers were Christians or no? Very simple. They endured terrible persecutions joyfully, even unto death. No unconverted man can joyfully suffer persecution and death.

Sure, Islamic Fundamentalists can blow themselves up in a moment, but they can't happily suffer torture for a long period of time unto death. This is all that is necessary to prove that the Quakers were truly Christian, even if their beliefs were somewhat different.

Perhaps it's wise for us to read what they had to say - because who knows - they may have been more on the ball than we are.

Quest

I suppose I really dont understand this answer. Theres no verse in the Bible that lists joyfulness in torture as a "salvation" test. I'm sure plenty of evil people have died with a smile on their face and a song in their heart. Even by this logic- there's no way to judge the internal, eternally.

I'd be more satisfied with a "history of" Quakers, with root beliefs that line up with the Bible. I dont know much about them.

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

Trivia: What American President was a Quaker?

Our beloved president Nixon

 

[QuestionTime]

I suppose I really dont understand this answer. Theres no verse in the Bible that lists joyfulness in torture as a "salvation" test. I'm sure plenty of evil people have died with a smile on their face and a song in their heart. Even by this logic- there's no way to judge the internal, eternally.

I'd be more satisfied with a "history of" Quakers, with root beliefs that line up with the Bible. I dont know much about them.

There is no "test" in the Bible, but if you read the stories of the Apostles in the book of Acts, or some of Paul's writings, or historical documents, you will see that Christians willingly suffered torture and death with cheerful and songful hearts.

You can't really tell me that you believe that a heathen can joyfully and willingly suffer torture and death? That is only something that God can enable a man to do, and that's why so many have been converted over the years by witnessing how these Christians have died. That's why these Christians bring glory to God.

Quest

 

[socperkins]

What about the Buddhist monks who set themselves on fire?

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

There is no "test" in the Bible, but if you read the stories of the Apostles in the book of Acts, or some of Paul's writings, or historical documents, you will see that Christians willingly suffered torture and death with cheerful and songful hearts.

You can't really tell me that you believe that a heathen can joyfully and willingly suffer torture and death? That is only something that God can enable a man to do, and that's why so many have been converted over the years by witnessing how these Christians have died. That's why these Christians bring glory to God.

Quest

I think that if a heathen has a cause and believes in something enough to die for it (even if it's a satanic lie) they can endure death. That's history- a good example is Tianamen Square. Or monks that had set themselves on fire (that had to be painful enough). That proves that you believe in something, it doesn't prove you're a Christian.

That doesn't mean that the Apostle martyrs didn't give glory to God or bare witness- they certainly did. But I wouldn't say a whole culture was "saved" by the appearance of having smiling faces as they died. Only Jesus saves, and the Lord looks into the heart.

I would love to know what Quakers believe

 

[charisenexcelcis]

Our beloved president Nixon

You win the "Why does religion have so little effect on politicians" award.

 

[Dread_Zeppelin]

You win the "Why does religion have so little effect on politicians" award.

There was a joke here, but i edited to make sure no ones feelings are hurt.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

I use to know a joke about Quakers and milk.

 

[DinoDillinger]

1 John 4:2
By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God

You see hear that false prophets can be identified by not confessing that Jesus Christ, that is the messiah, the Son of God has come in the flesh.

 

[charisenexcelcis]

I understand the sentiment about those who have died for the faith. Is this not what Hebrews means when it says, "men of whom the world was not worthy." While many may die ignorantly for gods who are mere fantasies and demons, those who truly died for the Living god are part of that "great cloud of witnesses" against which my own weak performance is compared. Oh, God grant that I would be fainthful to the end.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Quakers or the religious society of friends was started in the 1650's by a man called 'George Fox'. Now my question is, are the quakers Christian?

On the basis that they are not an official recognised christian institution - no. I've read it's not really a christian denomination it's an organisation which accepts both christians and non-christians. Sort of like the free masons. You can be a quaker and a christian, or a quaker and a non-christian.

Quakers certainly had roots in Christianity. However their beliefs differ widely, especially with the widespread belief that Jesus was just a good teacher. Not all quakers go along with this, however they affiliate and still call those who belive this heresy as brothers and children of God.

Is there any way to tell whether these beliefs differ more widely than any other denomination?

Other beliefs include, the bible only containing a part of truth.

Depends what they mean by 'part'. If they mean that there is more truth out there, then that is correct. This is basically true, the bible itself says it is not a complete record:

Joh 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

That All men have the light of God in them??

Do they mean a conscience? If so, then yes God has given every man a conscience. That is, a moral consciousness. If they mean the light is the Holy Spirit..then no that is wrong.

Quakers seek religious truth in inner experience, and place great reliance on conscience as the basis of morality. (did you get that??) if this is the case what is their authority on Truth, it certainly isn't Scripture as it only contains some truth?

 

[pickles]

It never ceases to amaze me, how many beliefs choose to reject the sacrifice of Jesus.
Yet that very witness of rejection proves the antichrist.
Also how almost all faiths acccept the endtimes belief and the false god.
Stating the obvious is never enough?
I pray the eyes of these will be opened.
God bless, pickles

 

[dscherck]

I'm not too familiar with the Quakers, but if they can accept the ancient creeds such as the Nicene or Apostle's creed, then I will consider them brothers and sisters in Christ.

 

[phil36]

Was this his actual name or was this a pseudonym? Why write it like this? I am not sure if it is a pseudonym.... Do you know Karuna? let us know if you do?



What will you do with the answer, once we've decided on it?

you can decide all you want Karuna.. I have my own thoughts and I have stated most of them above....

Now what do you think?

Phil