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I did not say you did, Im trying to show that if a person did own this thing, it is an idol if they worship it or not.
It's a idol/god to someone.. but if a museum owned it.. Doesn't mean their worshiping it.. As your not worshiping it for showing it to me.. This is something man made could be seen as a artifact of history.. if you say it's a god, and in fact someone worshiped it as a god in some point of history then yes it is a idol... but because one owns it does that mean they worship it ? God owns the world correct ? I don't think He cares about this spider man god.. Now when one starts sacrificing their children for it, giving themselves for the idol/god.. Then I can see it as a problem.. Anything can be a idol.. A car, money, women, power of men, ourselves, all of this can be idols/gods...anything we put before Him..
 
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It really doesn't matter to me, I wouldn't own it... I don't want graven images, but a tree is just that... A tree brother, God made it.
 

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It really doesn't matter to me, I wouldn't own it... I don't want graven images, but a tree is just that... A tree brother, God made it.
A tree is a tree.

But once it is decorated and brought in the house your have Jeremiah 10.... The garland represents the serpent, the ornaments represent the forbidden fruit, and the tree it's self is a phallic symbol with the wreath being its counterpart....

Yeremyah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which Yahweh speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!"

These things distract from the Messiah.
 
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Thank you, but what about Duet 12:28-32 does it not forbid the using of pagan holidays to worship God?
I don't think it's a question about, what feels good to you, are you convinced, I think it's a question of, does the bible forbid it or not... After the answer is given through scripture then I will be convinced, but Deut 12, has me thinking that it is strictly forbidden.
O k. T. Give them this also to thing about it. Jer 10:1-5 and 1 John 5:21. God bless.
 

Hizikyah

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From the evil pharisees talmud:

Baba Metzia 59b - "‘It is not in heaven.’4 What did he mean by this? — Said R. Jeremiah: That the Torah had already been given at Mount Sinai; we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice"

from the righteous Creator's text:

Zecharyah 7:7-13, "Were not these words of Yahweh proclaimed by the former prophets, when Yerusalem was inhabited and successful, with her villages surrounding her, when men inhabited the South; Negev, and the lowland; western foothills? And the word of Yahweh came to Zecharyah, saying: This is what Yahweh of hosts says! Execute true judgment, and show mercy and compassion, everyone to his brother. Do not oppress the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor. Let none of you imagine; think or devise, evil in your heart against your brother. But they refused to pay any attention--they turned a stubborn shoulder, and they stopped their ears so they would not be able to hear. Yes, they made their hearts like a hard adamant stone, in order not to hear the Law and the words, which Yahweh of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Therefore, great wrath came from Yahweh of hosts. Just as I called, and they would not hear, so they called, and I would not hear, says Yahweh of hosts!"

Isayah 30:9-13, "That this rebellious people, lying children, are children who will not hear; (listen to), the Law of Yahweh; Who say to the seers; Do not see! Who say to the prophets; Do not prophesy right things to us, speak smooth things to us, prophesy deceits; Get out of the way, turn away from the path, cause the Holy One of Israyl to cease from our presence! Therefore, this is what the Holy One of Israyl says: Because you despise this word (the Law) , and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon. Therefore, this iniquity will be to you like a breach; a weakened wall ready to fall a bulge of a high wall which breaks suddenly, in an instant."

Proverbs 1:29-31, "Because they hated knowledge, and did not choose to give reverence to Yahweh! Since they would have none of my counsel, and despised all my rebuke and warning. They will eat the fruit of their own ways, and be completely idled with their own devices."

Isayah 59:13-15, "In transgressing and lying against Yahweh, and turning away from following our Father, speaking oppression and rebellion, conceiving and uttering from the mind words of falsehood: So judgment is driven backwards, and justice stands afar off, for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter. Yes, truth is suppressed; and he who departs from evil is accounted as mad. Yahweh saw this, and it displeased Him that there was no justice."

Isayah 5:20, "Woe to those who call evil righteous, and righteous evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

Ezekiyl 22:25-26, "There is a conspiracy of her prophets in her midst, like a roaring lion ravening the prey: they have devoured souls; they have taken the treasure and precious things; they have made many widows in the midst of her. Her priests have violated My Law, and have profaned My holy things; they have put no difference between the holy and profane, they have not taught the difference between the unclean and the clean; they have shut their eyes to the keeping of My Sabbaths, and I am profaned among them."
 
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A tree is a tree.

But once it is decorated and brought in the house your have Jeremiah 10.... The garland represents the serpent, the ornaments represent the forbidden fruit, and the tree it's self is a phallic symbol with the wreath being its counterpart....
! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over.
These things distract from the Messiah.
Forgive me, I don't even know what a garland is... but this passage says nothing about forbidden fruit, it says gold and silver, and it says the tree can not do evil or good... I know this, and am not looking for it to do either...and I don't revere the tree..

Thats all it says here.. Do not revere it, ... I don't ..
 

Hizikyah

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Forgive me, I don't even know what a garland is... but this passage says nothing about forbidden fruit, it says gold and silver, and it says the tree can not do evil or good... I know this, and am not looking for it to do either...and I don't revere the tree..

Thats all it says here.. Do not revere it, ... I don't ..
It also says: "This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain (worthless)"

Yeremyah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which Yahweh speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!"
 

Hizikyah

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Wait a sec.... this doesnt look anything like what Jeremiah explained in chapter 10..... ohh, wait, no, now that I have had time to really think about it, and discard what the world has programmed me to do I realize it is exactly what Yahweh said dont do.



"For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. "
 
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It also says: "This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain (worthless)"

Yeremyah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which Yahweh speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what Yahweh says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!"
I'm not doing what the heathens do... They worship under a gold and silver tree, with satan, Santa, and any other lie they tell children, and I'm not telling anyone to get a tree to worship Jesus, we worship Jesus on are knees in a small place in secret, praying the Our Father and in prayer... not with any tree, idol, or money... Doesn't mean I can't have a tree, a flower, plant, and so fourth...
 

Hizikyah

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I'm not doing what the heathens do... They worship under a gold and silver tree, with satan, Santa, and any other lie they tell children, and I'm not telling anyone to get a tree to worship Jesus, we worship Jesus on are knees in a small place in secret, praying the Our Father and in prayer... not with any tree, idol, or money... Doesn't mean I can't have a tree, a flower, plant, and so fourth...
All im saying is decorating an evergreen tree on Dec 25 is a pagan practice, period. and since Yahweh says dont worship Him in those ways, those who do are in danger IMO. I never said you did, but we must separate righteousness from evil.

Having a tree, there is nothing in the Scriptures that says its wrong, nor did I claim its wrong
 

Hizikyah

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Pagan traditions: Many Pagan cultures used to cut boughs of evergreen trees in December, move them into the home or temple, and decorate them. 7 Modern-day Pagans still do. This was to recognize the winter solstice -- the time of the year that had the shortest daylight hours, and longest night of the year. This occurs annually sometime between DEC-20 to 23; most often, it is DEC-21. As the solstice approached, they noticed that the days were gradually getting shorter; many feared that the sun would eventually disappear forever, and everyone would freeze in the dark. But, even though deciduous trees, bushes, and crops died or hibernated for the winter, the evergreen trees remained green. They seemed to have magical powers that enabled them to withstand the rigors of winter.

Not having evergreen trees, the ancient Egyptians considered the palm tree to symbolize resurrection. They decorated their homes with its branches during the winter solstice. 3

"The first decorating of an evergreen tree began with the heathen Greeks and their worship of their god Adonia, who allegedly was brought back to life by the serpent Aessulapius after having been slain." 5

The ancient Pagan Romans decorated their "trees with bits of metal and replicas of their god, Bacchus [a fertility god]. They also placed 12 candles on the tree in honor of their sun god" 2 Their mid-winter festival of Saturnalia started on DEC-17 and often lasted until a few days after the Solstice.

In Northern Europe, the ancient Germanic people tied fruit and attached candles to evergreen tree branches, in honor of their god Woden. Trees were viewed as symbolizing eternal life. This is the deity after which Wednesday (Wodensday) was named. The trees joined holly, mistletoe, the wassail bowl and the Yule log as symbols of the season. All predated Christianity.
 
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All im saying is decorating an evergreen tree on Dec 25 is a pagan practice, period. and since Yahweh says dont worship Him in those ways, those who do are in danger IMO. I never said you did, but we must separate righteousness from evil.

Having a tree, there is nothing in the Scriptures that says its wrong, nor did I claim its wrong
Ok, I can see how that garland looks like a snake, and the ornaments can look like fruit or be a fake " gold and silver ball ".. Pretty sick and twisted like the rest of the things they've thrusted upon us... Disgusting, I must say.. I have a train going around the tree, and now thinking about it, I might make my family write something their thankful for and tac it to the tree... I see nothing wrong with lights or candy canes though.. Thank you for sharing Hizi..
 

Hizikyah

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Ok, I can see how that garland looks like a snake, and the ornaments can look like fruit or be a fake " gold and silver ball ".. Pretty sick and twisted like the rest of the things they've thrusted upon us... Disgusting, I must say.. I have a train going around the tree, and now thinking about it, I might make my family write something their thankful for and tac it to the tree... I see nothing wrong with lights or candy canes though.. Thank you for sharing Hizi..
I know I get excited at times, but these are things I take seriously, I just want to follow Yah in the right way so He may be proud and joyful with me, and I sincerely want the same for all those who call upon Him. (not saying I know everything, I KNOW I still have a ton to learn and still a lot of growth ahead for me in my walk, Yahweh willing.)
 

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The whole point here to to look at what is behind the scenes and research for yourself that you might know the truth.
Yah's Appointed Times, or man's appointed times?
 

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Throw the fourth of July into this as well. Fireworks originated in China and were used to celebrate the festivals of pagan gods. As a result no Christian should use fireworks in any sort of celebrations. To use fireworks to celebrate the fourth of July is pagan.
 

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Did we affirm yet that everything is evil? Maybe I should stop wearing stripes too because it reminds of freemasonry too much and dig my eyes out because eye stands for Illuminati. And by all means stop wearing purple, if it the color of magic, indigo is also new age color so it must be inherently evil and we shouldnt wear red either because it is the color that mystery Babylon is wearing. Dont be like them heathens.
 

Hizikyah

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Throw the fourth of July into this as well. Fireworks originated in China and were used to celebrate the festivals of pagan gods. As a result no Christian should use fireworks in any sort of celebrations. To use fireworks to celebrate the fourth of July is pagan.
Murderers breathe air, is it pagan to breathe air? (citing sillyness)

Do any care what the Creator has to say?


Yeremyah 10 For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over.
 

Chopper

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Throw the fourth of July into this as well. Fireworks originated in China and were used to celebrate the festivals of pagan gods. As a result no Christian should use fireworks in any sort of celebrations. To use fireworks to celebrate the fourth of July is pagan.
That is a celebration of independence, right, the 4th?
I don't think I'd count myself as "independent" because I am dependent on all three parts of Elohim.