Question about Communion

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posthuman

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Evidently they had good discernment of having such a great sinner in their midst. I'm surprised you got a wafer.
I was raised Catholic and when I was young we were only offered bread. Over time wine was offered. How long ago was it? If it was after Covid I think that might be the answer.
It was just this year, so, not a health precaution, but perhaps more prevalent these days in Europe because they overall were less obstinate about taking precautions than Americans - it may simply be carried over from a few years ago.



I did some digging, and what I found is that it has to do with a combination of logistics, a keen observation of the text in 1 Cor. 11, and the RCC belief in transubstantiation.

Because masses often involve a very large number of congregants, it is very likely some of the wine may be spilled. The (unleavened) bread is much easier to manage.

1 Corinthians 11:27​
Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks [this] cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

Because the scripture says "or" not 'and' it isn't necessary to have both the bread and the wine. Christ is God and God is One, to have any of Him is to have all of Him. either bread or wine is as sufficient as both.

Because they believe the bread and wine are literally transformed into the body and blood of Christ, to spill it is literally to spill God, where He may be trampled underfoot - a grievous sin, which they hold can only be forgiven by the pope, even if it is accidental.

Put these all together, and there is a basis to pass the cup among the priests administering the sacrament, for the sake of the liturgy, and the bread among all, for the sake of all. Not because the laity is less holy or the priests more special, but simply to avoid spilling the wine.


Make of it what you will lol but this is the reasoning. It was practiced this way for a thousand years in some places, it did not originate with Covid. It's common but not universal practice in RCC churches, up to the parish priest how he wants to handle it.
 

Cameron143

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#42
It was just this year, so, not a health precaution, but perhaps more prevalent these days in Europe because they overall were less obstinate about taking precautions than Americans - it may simply be carried over from a few years ago.



I did some digging, and what I found is that it has to do with a combination of logistics, a keen observation of the text in 1 Cor. 11, and the RCC belief in transubstantiation.

Because masses often involve a very large number of congregants, it is very likely some of the wine may be spilled. The (unleavened) bread is much easier to manage.

1 Corinthians 11:27​
Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks [this] cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

Because the scripture says "or" not 'and' it isn't necessary to have both the bread and the wine. Christ is God and God is One, to have any of Him is to have all of Him. either bread or wine is as sufficient as both.

Because they believe the bread and wine are literally transformed into the body and blood of Christ, to spill it is literally to spill God, where He may be trampled underfoot - a grievous sin, which they hold can only be forgiven by the pope, even if it is accidental.

Put these all together, and there is a basis to pass the cup among the priests administering the sacrament, for the sake of the liturgy, and the bread among all, for the sake of all. Not because the laity is less holy or the priests more special, but simply to avoid spilling the wine.


Make of it what you will lol but this is the reasoning. It was practiced this way for a thousand years in some places, it did not originate with Covid. It's common but not universal practice in RCC churches, up to the parish priest how he wants to handle it.
Guess that is what happens when men are in charge. It may well be grace as at least some don't drink damnation to themselves.
 
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Do you have any Scripture to back this up? Oats, spelt and rye are not mentioned in the Bible, just wheat and barley. And it does not matter how many hundreds of species of yeast there are.
There are many scriptures on unleavened bread that I'll be happy to share. Providing you cite the scriptures that support your """unfermented grape juice""" claim. Which was the point of my post to you.
At the 1st recorded communion Abraham brought bread & WINE. Not bread & unfermented grape juice!
Every Passover then & now. Jews drink WINE!
 
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I have not read all the responses so if this has been said already forgive me.

Sadly many have turned this command of God into a religious ceremony and and much as made it a pagan ritual.

Communion replaced the passover meal.

the passover was to Help Israel remember when they were freed from Egypt

Communion helps us to remember when we were freed from our own slaver, to the world.

it has no special powers but to bring to us remembrance of where we came from. so we do not forget..
 

Magenta

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Why did you ignore what I posted if you like the truth?

By the way, I am still awaiting that apology from you. Or are you the hypocrite I believe you to be, expecting acknowledgements of wrongdoing, admissions of error, gratitude for correction, and apologies from others when they are corrected by you but refusing to extend that which you desire from others to them when appropriate? Because in my many years here, I have corrected you more times than I can count, and not once in any of those situations, some where you outright denied that Scripture said something it explicitly did like you did twice yesterday, or blatantly falsely accused me of something I did not do or say, did you ever acknowledge you were wrong, express gratitude for correction, withdraw your false accusation or tender an apology. Nothing even close. You just run away as if nothing happened, just like now.

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