Question about Scriptural Interpretation

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I wish I understood what you mean. What did it mean for Mary to wash Jesus's feet with her tears and dry
them with her hair? How should we handle transgender people or people with identity issues?
Should a husband be always the leader and women subservient to men? How do we resolve mental
illness and depression and provide counselling? How is cleansing of the heart put alongside a righteous
walk? Is the wine and bread transformed or is it just a celebration?

Now it is easy to say, one solution when clearly we do not have a one solution answer and maybe never will.
So I do not like these singular idealistic statements about complex and difficult issues when we are not God.
The washing of the feet represents the washing power of the gospel. Jesus said to the disciples; if he does not wash their feet then they have no part with them. Mary used her hair a representative glory in respect to the demonstration of the upcoming of pouring out His Spirit on flesh

Mary and Martha as two working together as one mutually represent the gospel . two by two. A picture of the church . Like husband and wife. A picture of the father and Son working together in prefect submission and harmony of both, therefore giving us the peace of God that surpasses all human understanding. The original dynamic duel. Mosses and Arron .David and Jonathon etc.
The father being in the greater postion of authority but not the greater person. The same with husband and wife( dynamic duels) we should wash each other feet in that way. Christ is the head .Love submits one to another in order to finish the work
 

Dino246

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Hi thanks for the reply.

It does not mean God is no longer moving men according to His will as modern day prophecy .Just not adding to the written wittiness.

I do not believe that prophesying is speaking the word of God. Prophesying is speaking the word of the author who sends out his apostles .. To prophesy lies is false prophecy sent out by false apostles. If any man adds to the words of prophecy in the book of prophecy which is sealed with 7 seals till the end of time. God will send a strong delusion needed to beleive the lie.. We try the spirits to see if they are of men seen or God not seen by using the perfect. If any man say I had a dream, I had a out of body experience, my hand itched I made a noise, or have fallen backward we are to believe not.

If a person desires more than he has revealed the skies the limit just have a experience and believe.
Sadly, your comments demonstrate that you really don't understand what others believe, and your repetition indicates that you aren't interested in hearing either.

Yes, there are people who erroneously seek experiences over truth. However, I haven't seen posts here by any such people, and if I did I would swiftly correct them. You're arguing with the wind, because nobody is claiming what you assert they are claiming.

However, I've told you that before, several times, and yet you keep repeating yourself.
 

FollowHisSteps

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Most of what you are mixing up with interpretation is actually application.
The interpretation is what the text says and means: application is all the questions of how it applies to your life.
If I take a simple parable the seed and the sower. What is the seed, what are the plants, what is the soil?
A mature plant that produces seed what is this?

Now I have heard different views on this, what is your singular correct interpretation as an example?
Remember if you get it wrong you are speaking against Gods singular meaning.
 

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The washing of the feet represents the washing power of the gospel. Jesus said to the disciples; if he does not wash their feet then they have no part with them. Mary used her hair a representative glory in respect to the demonstration of the upcoming of pouring out His Spirit on flesh

Mary and Martha as two working together as one mutually represent the gospel . two by two. A picture of the church . Like husband and wife. A picture of the father and Son working together in prefect submission and harmony of both, therefore giving us the peace of God that surpasses all human understanding. The original dynamic duel. Mosses and Arron .David and Jonathon etc.
The father being in the greater postion of authority but not the greater person. The same with husband and wife( dynamic duels) we should wash each other feet in that way. Christ is the head .Love submits one to another in order to finish the work
I like this view. I have not heared it before.
I see Mary washing Jesus's feet as a simple act of love and humbleness.
Mary and Martha as two disciples and their view towards service and devotion to teaching.

I love these different views and illustrations, which is why I do not like the idea something is
singular and limited. There is in mathematics an equation called fractals. It creates a pattern
that repeats on the large scale and on the small scale infinitely. It does have limits and
rules but it is dynamic and alive.
 

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I think what you are saying here is very true. But I would add that the persons you are talking about here are not interpreting correctly. Any verse properly interpreted will not conflict with any other verses from Scripture.
Correct. They fail because they don't take the full council of the totality of scripture in proper context.
 

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If I take a simple parable the seed and the sower. What is the seed, what are the plants, what is the soil?
A mature plant that produces seed what is this?

Now I have heard different views on this, what is your singular correct interpretation as an example?
Remember if you get it wrong you are speaking against Gods singular meaning.
That one is quite easy: Here is the interpretation and if you think it is wrong you will have to argue with Jesus:

“Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path. The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful. But the seed falling on good soil refers to someone who hears the word and understands it. This is the one who produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.

There is the interpretation: Now how will you apply it to your life?
 

FollowHisSteps

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That one is quite easy: Here is the interpretation and if you think it is wrong you will have to argue with Jesus:

“Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path. The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful. But the seed falling on good soil refers to someone who hears the word and understands it. This is the one who produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.

There is the interpretation: Now how will you apply it to your life?
You failed to answer the question with an absolute interpretation.
The plant is the word of God growing in a believer.
The word starts and grows a web of understanding, a reality of who God is and how the
Kingdom is constructed, what righteousness and love means, how it works out.
Finally the truth brings its own conclusions, its own fruit that the believer then shares
with others, words of God, clearer and tailored by the believer, to the culture, language
and emphasis that helps it fit the people they know.

Now, I have looked at different ideas for decades and tried different ideas, and finally I
have something that makes sense to me. So why do I have this insight and you do not.
Is my insight the only one or just one believers inspiration?

The parable also lays out the idea it is the word, His reality, His concepts and precepts
are our life and reality in Christ.

But once you say, this parable is just this one thing, you stop exploring and letting it
create ideas and fruit.
 

FollowHisSteps

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No, they fail because they do not exegete the verse correctly. :)
Unfortunately there may also be conceptual contradictions innate within the truth.
So singular contradictions may hide the reality of different perspectives.
 

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Really, we do both. As new believers, we probably start with some sort of summary of scriptural truth such as a creed. As we learn the Word for ourselves, we look more closely at individual passages and re-evaluate the summary truth in light of them. It's a constant back-and-forth process.

Hopefully we get to a place where the overall truth is consistent with the individual truths. I suspect none of us get there until after death though. :)
Good comment.
- I agree.
- Especially, "...none of us get there until.."
 

Chester

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You failed to answer the question with an absolute interpretation.
The plant is the word of God growing in a believer.
The word starts and grows a web of understanding, a reality of who God is and how the
Kingdom is constructed, what righteousness and love means, how it works out.
Finally the truth brings its own conclusions, its own fruit that the believer then shares
with others, words of God, clearer and tailored by the believer, to the culture, language
and emphasis that helps it fit the people they know.

Now, I have looked at different ideas for decades and tried different ideas, and finally I
have something that makes sense to me. So why do I have this insight and you do not.
Is my insight the only one or just one believers inspiration?

The parable also lays out the idea it is the word, His reality, His concepts and precepts
are our life and reality in Christ.

But once you say, this parable is just this one thing, you stop exploring and letting it
create ideas and fruit.
:) I am quite satisfied with Jesus' interpretation that I quoted.
 

Chester

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Unfortunately there may also be conceptual contradictions innate within the truth.
So singular contradictions may hide the reality of different perspectives.
So there are conceptual contradictions innate within the truth?!!:unsure: So truth contradicts?? :(

The Word of God is surely deeper and richer than any of us of our own understanding can comprehend - with that I agree.
 

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No, they fail because they do not exegete the verse correctly. :)
Of course...that's what was being explained, why people fail to interpret or exegete text properly, and there by find themselves in error. To simply say they fail to do so gives no explanation as to where they error.

ex·e·gete
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noun: exegete; plural noun: exegetes
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an expounder or textual interpreter, especially of scripture.
verb
verb: exegete; 3rd person present: exegetes; gerund or present participle: exegeting; past tense: exegeted; past participle: exegeted
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expound or interpret (a text, especially scripture).

To say they fail to exegete is not causation. My personal belief based on anecdotal yet empirical evidence, is that they fail to take the passage of scripture that they are misinterpreting or failing to exegete, in context and balance with the full council of scripture. The errant interpretation of scripture or exegesis is done because errant method. Scripture is interpreted properly when the full body of text is used to inform the interpretation; which can only be done by prayerfull study of the entirety of scripture first.
Macro analysis first then micro analysis; all by the influence or guidance of the Holy Spirit.
 

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Unfortunately there may also be conceptual contradictions innate within the truth.
So singular contradictions may hide the reality of different perspectives.
Absolutely not. Apparent contradiction may occur; it is a failure to properly understand when it does. There is no contradiction in truth! Only perceptions, being jaded by the prejudice of men are contradictory. God is perfect and such is his word to us, we are not thus we fail.
 

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Do you believe what the text says? (I John 3:9) And if so, what does it say?
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

If a person hates sin, and does not want sin, by the Spirit they can abstain from sins, therefore they are not under the law for their sins are forgiven, and they are abstaining from sins, so the law cannot touch them for prosecution.

People make an excuse for their sins, but there is no excuse for the power is available for us, the Holy Spirit.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

If people hold unto sin then the blood of Christ cannot wash it away, and they are under the law.

Isa 59:1 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

1Co 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
1Co 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
1Co 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
1Co 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
1Co 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
1Co 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

There is no difference between the Old Testament, and New Testament, when it comes to abstaining from sins for anybody that holds unto sin is not right with God, and not saved.

2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

But many do not allow the Spirit to lead them for they want to hold unto sin, and think they are alright with God, which they say they cannot abstain from sins, and sin does not affect their relationship with God, but the Bible says different.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

1Co 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

The Lord knows them that are His having this seal, for this is what seals the saints, that those that name the name of Christ has to depart from iniquity by the Holy Spirit.

All sin can be forgiven, but there are so many people that hold unto sin, and think they are alright in their Christian walk, and they shall not fall as a result of their sin.

The person that is born of God, led of the Spirit, will not sin, for they decided that they hate sin, and do not want sin, and the Spirit will only lead those that hate sin, and do not want sin, for if they want sin then they are led of the flesh.

If they say they cannot abstain from sin then they are holding unto sin, then the blood of Christ cannot wash it away, and they are under the law, despite them saying they are alright with God.

For the Lord knows them that are His, and it is them that have the knowledge of God to abstain from sins by the Spirit.

And there is no excuse.
 

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1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

If a person hates sin, and does not want sin, by the Spirit they can abstain from sins, therefore they are not under the law for their sins are forgiven, and they are abstaining from sins, so the law cannot touch them for prosecution.

People make an excuse for their sins, but there is no excuse for the power is available for us, the Holy Spirit.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

If people hold unto sin then the blood of Christ cannot wash it away, and they are under the law.

Isa 59:1 Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

1Co 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
1Co 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
1Co 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
1Co 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
1Co 10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
1Co 10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
1Co 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

There is no difference between the Old Testament, and New Testament, when it comes to abstaining from sins for anybody that holds unto sin is not right with God, and not saved.

2Ti 3:4 lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

But many do not allow the Spirit to lead them for they want to hold unto sin, and think they are alright with God, which they say they cannot abstain from sins, and sin does not affect their relationship with God, but the Bible says different.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

1Co 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
1Co 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

The Lord knows them that are His having this seal, for this is what seals the saints, that those that name the name of Christ has to depart from iniquity by the Holy Spirit.

All sin can be forgiven, but there are so many people that hold unto sin, and think they are alright in their Christian walk, and they shall not fall as a result of their sin.

The person that is born of God, led of the Spirit, will not sin, for they decided that they hate sin, and do not want sin, and the Spirit will only lead those that hate sin, and do not want sin, for if they want sin then they are led of the flesh.

If they say they cannot abstain from sin then they are holding unto sin, then the blood of Christ cannot wash it away, and they are under the law, despite them saying they are alright with God.

For the Lord knows them that are His, and it is them that have the knowledge of God to abstain from sins by the Spirit.

And there is no excuse.
Do you teach sinless perfection? :unsure:
 
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Sadly, your comments demonstrate that you really don't understand what others believe, and your repetition indicates that you aren't interested in hearing either.

Yes, there are people who erroneously seek experiences over truth. However, I haven't seen posts here by any such people, and if I did I would swiftly correct them. You're arguing with the wind, because nobody is claiming what you assert they are claiming.

However, I've told you that before, several times, and yet you keep repeating yourself.
You simply define the word prophecy differently as in modern day prophecy. What is that? Its why you keep repeating yourself. God is no longer bringing new prophecy after any manner to confirm any action. Three times when experiences lies coming in his fleshly mind Christ said, as it is written it establishes the one source of faith by which we can believe God who remains without form.

Experence is not the validator of unseen spiritual truth. We walk by faith(His ) it works in us
 

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I think the best thing to do, is ask God.
Even if you've already read the whole Holy Bible, continue to ask God, who is the one who inspired it and is the author and finisher of our faith.

Say you read a verse, and you dont understand it, ask God and He will show you what it means. He might lead you to read further in the chapter, He might direct you to another passage or story in the Bible.

He might show you in other ways, through dream or vision.

No man will teach you..the holy spirit leads us to all truth.

See John 14:26


Lets say I write a book, but the readers dont understand it, and they quibble amongst themselves about certain sentences. One thinks one says this, another says they think it means that. The book might be very long, and they hadnt read the whole thing, maybe they are still reading it. Well even before these readers finish the book, that they might understand it, they can have access to the author, if they ask, who can tell them or remind them of exactly what the meaning is.
Jesus did exactly that when he was telling the disciples about the sower and the seeds. He told them a parable and then explained what it meant.
 

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So there are conceptual contradictions innate within the truth?!!:unsure: So truth contradicts?? :(
The Word of God is surely deeper and richer than any of us of our own understanding can comprehend - with that I agree.
There is no fear in love, yet we fear God.
There is no hate in love, yet we hate everything else in comparison with Jesus.

So words summarise one concept that is linked to another, but there is a way
of expressing comparisons which in isolation can appear as a contradiction.

We are predestined for glory yet we choose to love.
So I can both be a calvanist and an armenian depending on which perspective
I want to emphasise. So can both be true, but mean slightly different things?

I suspect our sense of certainty is ours not the Lords because certainty is
defined on His will and not creation.
 

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So I can both be a calvanist and an armenian depending on which perspective I want to emphasise. So can both be true, but mean slightly different things?
Not really. Once you carefully examine the Calvinist position, it is totally unscriptural. The Arminian position is more scriptural, but not totally either. The Biblical position is the only position to take, which means avoiding the doctrines of men, and taking ALL relevant Scriptures into account.