question: Can an unsaved person be baptized in the Holy Spirit?

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The only mention of tongues ceasing is in 1st Cor. 13:8. When did it cease it does not say. 100 AD, 200 AD, later I do not know but cease it has.
God never told anyone it has Ceased.

So, why pretend to be God and make a false claim you don't have absolutely any proof of?

That is what the definition of a liar is.
 
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What prophet told you that manna was going to cease?
Everyone knows Manna is still given to us daily in the form of Daily Bread.

The Lords Prayer:
Give us our DAILY BREAD!

THIS IS MANNA!

it has not ended just now comes in the form of God's Holy Word.

You know this.

And you know Tongues has not ceased.
 
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how do you know the person telling the gospel is saved ? And how do you know a person can make a true calling when there possessed

How do you know laying on hands is not needed by someone who has a some God given gift to perform deliverance.

And since possession can happen to a child who isn't under God's wrath because of accountability, how powerful can a demon get to possess a child since no authority was given to the demon. ?.

Would speaking the word be enough since the gift was given to certain disciples the lord had chosen who where no doubt laying on hands.

Lastly is the reason anyone can not do deliverance because some gift must be given.

Because a demon could transfer from one person to another.
If the person sharing the Gospel does it according to the Bible it will be legit.

And real possessed people don't want to hang around those with God inside them.

They will let you know, even though you already know.
 

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If the person sharing the Gospel does it according to the Bible it will be legit.

And real possessed people don't want to hang around those with God inside them.

They will let you know, even though you already know.
I would have thought a person needs a spiritual gift and needs to be anointed by God to perform deliverance on a person that has a demon that has no permission to possess a person myself. as judging by the bible a persons thoughts can be controlled by possession.

Judging by the bible this type of unclean spirit has learnt to deny Gods authority, and has probably learnt to site scripture for it's own purpose.

The bible clearly says a child is not subject to God's wrath. From scripture there is no reason why this should happen just the fact a child was possessed.

So that demon has been able to do what it shouldn't, also baring in mind a child has a guardian angel who looks back in the face of God.

This shouldn't happen and I personaly don't think your qualified to know what your talking about.
 
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I would have thought a person needs a spiritual gift and needs to be anointed by God to perform deliverance on a person that has a demon that has no permission to possess a person myself. as judging by the bible a persons thoughts can be controlled by possession.

Judging by the bible this type of unclean spirit has learnt to deny Gods authority, and has probably learnt to site scripture for it's own purpose.

The bible clearly says a child is not subject to God's wrath. From scripture there is no reason why this should happen just the fact a child was possessed.

So that demon has been able to do what it shouldn't, also baring in mind a child has a guardian angel who looks back in the face of God.

This shouldn't happen and I personaly don't think your qualified to know what your talking about.
i don't care what you think about whether i know or not, any Follower of God, who is Saved, and Fasts, is qualified to Cast out Demons.

you act like it's so impossible as if these demons can hurt Believers.

i really don't know why you address me at all, considering, you don't even realize any Christian can do this!

it's an Act of Faith.

It's no different than saying to someone sick, be Healed, in the Name of Jesus.

whose NAME do Christians use to cast out Demons?

Mark 16: 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons;

Who do you think Jesus means by: THOSE WHO BELIEVE?

ANYONE, not some special unit designed for Casting out Demons.

Like i said, DO NOT EVER respond to me again.

I am TIRED of showing you Scripture, and you just don't get it.

Which tells me, YOU, are not Saved or you could Cast out Demons!
 

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Everyone knows Manna is still given to us daily in the form of Daily Bread.

The Lords Prayer:
Give us our DAILY BREAD!

THIS IS MANNA!

it has not ended just now comes in the form of God's Holy Word.

You know this.

And you know Tongues has not ceased.
The manna that was supernaturally given to the Israelites ceased. Because it was not announced by a prophet you want to claim that it did not cease. But the Bible is clear it did cease. (Joshua 5:12)

You seem to be making this up as you go along. You are only fooling those who want to be fooled.
 

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i don't care what you think about whether i know or not, any Follower of God, who is Saved, and Fasts, is qualified to Cast out Demons.

you act like it's so impossible as if these demons can hurt Believers.

i really don't know why you address me at all, considering, you don't even realize any Christian can do this!

it's an Act of Faith.

It's no different than saying to someone sick, be Healed, in the Name of Jesus.

whose NAME do Christians use to cast out Demons?

Mark 16: 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons;

Who do you think Jesus means by: THOSE WHO BELIEVE?

ANYONE, not some special unit designed for Casting out Demons.

Like i said, DO NOT EVER respond to me again.

I am TIRED of showing you Scripture, and you just don't get it.

Which tells me, YOU, are not Saved or you could Cast out Demons!
Wow! You are neck deeeeeep into Pentecostalism!

I bet you see the miraculous behind every corner and under every rock.
 

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i don't care what you think about whether i know or not, any Follower of God, who is Saved, and Fasts, is qualified to Cast out Demons.

you act like it's so impossible as if these demons can hurt Believers.

i really don't know why you address me at all, considering, you don't even realize any Christian can do this!

it's an Act of Faith.

It's no different than saying to someone sick, be Healed, in the Name of Jesus.

whose NAME do Christians use to cast out Demons?

Mark 16: 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons;

Who do you think Jesus means by: THOSE WHO BELIEVE?

ANYONE, not some special unit designed for Casting out Demons.

Like i said, DO NOT EVER respond to me again.

I am TIRED of showing you Scripture, and you just don't get it.

Which tells me, YOU, are not Saved or you could Cast out Demons!
This is nice of you to say so 😊

Once again I don't think your qualified to give advice because the scripture don't say and fasting, the word fasting was added.

Let's see what else the bible says.

The bible says everyone who will belief in Jesus will recieve a gift.

But not everyone will recieve the same gift.

Then the bible says this.



Mathew
I Never Knew You
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’


Then the bible says this






21 Jesus asked the boy’s father, “How long has he been like this?”
“From childhood,” he answered. 22 “It has often thrown him into fire or water to kill him. But if you can do anything, take pity on us and help us.”
23 “‘If you can’?” said Jesus. “Everything is possible for one who believes.”
24 Immediately the boy’s father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!”
25 When Jesus saw that a crowd was running to the scene, he rebuked the impure spirit. “You deaf and mute spirit,” he said, “I command you, come out of him and never enter him again.”
26 The spirit shrieked, convulsed him violently and came out. The boy looked so much like a corpse that many said, “He’s dead.” 27 But Jesus took him by the hand and lifted him to his feet, and he stood up.
28 After Jesus had gone indoors, his disciples asked him privately, “Why couldn’t we drive it out?”
29 He replied, “This kind can come out only by prayer.[


See there's no fasting here.


So what prayer must be prayed do you know.

And last question

Since your father is a preacher and your qualified how come your brother is possessed as you put it ?.
 
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The manna that was supernaturally given to the Israelites ceased. Because it was not announced by a prophet you want to claim that it did not cease. But the Bible is clear it did cease. (Joshua 5:12)

You seem to be making this up as you go along. You are only fooling those who want to be fooled.

Dude, every true preacher preaches Manna today is God's Holy Word.

You act like Jesus is teaching us to be thankful for physical Bread we eat.

If you don't understand by now that Daily Bread, much like Daily Manna to the ancient Hebrew is not the same thing then you cannot be helped, ever!
 
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Wow! You are neck deeeeeep into Pentecostalism!

I bet you see the miraculous behind every corner and under every rock.
How am I Pentecostal for literally believing Mark 16:17?

The fact that YOU pick and choose what to think is for today and what can be discarded tells EVERYONE reading you are not a true Follower of God.
No true Follower of God acts like any portion of the Bible is not for them.

You, don't believe therefore, you, don't belong!
 
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This is nice of you to say so 😊

Once again I don't think your qualified to give advice because the scripture don't say and fasting, the word fasting was added.

Let's see what else the bible says.

The bible says everyone who will belief in Jesus will recieve a gift.

But not everyone will recieve the same gift.

Then the bible says this.



Mathew
I Never Knew You
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’


Then the bible says this






21 Jesus asked the boy’s father, “How long has he been like this?”
“From childhood,” he answered. 22 “It has often thrown him into fire or water to kill him. But if you can do anything, take pity on us and help us.”
23 “‘If you can’?” said Jesus. “Everything is possible for one who believes.”
24 Immediately the boy’s father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!”
25 When Jesus saw that a crowd was running to the scene, he rebuked the impure spirit. “You deaf and mute spirit,” he said, “I command you, come out of him and never enter him again.”
26 The spirit shrieked, convulsed him violently and came out. The boy looked so much like a corpse that many said, “He’s dead.” 27 But Jesus took him by the hand and lifted him to his feet, and he stood up.
28 After Jesus had gone indoors, his disciples asked him privately, “Why couldn’t we drive it out?”
29 He replied, “This kind can come out only by prayer.[


See there's no fasting here.


So what prayer must be prayed do you know.

And last question

Since your father is a preacher and your qualified how come your brother is possessed as you put it ?.

Do You have a Reading and understanding issue?

I refuse to talk to someone in the spiritual shape you are in.

Be gone!
 

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Do You have a Reading and understanding issue?

I refuse to talk to someone in the spiritual shape you are in.

Be gone!
more anti social behaviour from a qualified person who can't discuss 🤔, who would rather get personal than discuss 😊.

Have you stopped to think the op needs help ?
 
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I continually have given you Scripture after Scripture and you continually come back with something that can never relate to the Discussion that You created.

So, we're done.

I shake the Dust off my feet towards You!
 

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I continually have given you Scripture after Scripture and you continually come back with something that can never relate to the Discussion that You created.

So, we're done.

I shake the Dust off my feet towards You!
you know scripture that condemns more than you know scripture that heals 😊


What side are you on 🤔
 

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I continually have given you Scripture after Scripture and you continually come back with something that can never relate to the Discussion that You created.

So, we're done.

I shake the Dust off my feet towards You!
who are you talking to? I must have them blocked, LOL.
 

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who are you talking to? I must have them blocked, LOL.
lol lol lol that's a lie.
I know what this hook is.

The one that's designed to cause annoyance.

I know a child like this, he would say I'm not speaking to you to upset someone.

Only the other child would not respond in pride or become upset.

Because that child knew all to well this person would then say you you you, have a pride issue.

I really never knew or understood the person who lead a person to be prideful, and then accusing them of being prideful.

But then I guess that person never knew who that child was 😊
 
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the Bible CLEARLY states the HOLY SPIRIT gives utterance, but you say, NOPE, it is the FATHER

Jesus said anyone who BELIEVES can cast out demons and you say it is a Special Gift of the Holy Spirit.

You don't believe the Bible.

so LEAVE!

be GONE!