question: Can an unsaved person be baptized in the Holy Spirit?

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Eli1

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It's weird how Christianity turns into a court room a lot of times and people are too interested in egos instead of grace.
 

Fundaamental

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Reason has its place, but truth is spiritually discerned. The reason is because God's ways and thoughts are far beyond our ways and thoughts. If we are going to understand the word of God, reasoning will only get you so far.
so true friend but at the same time I can't reason with switching to daylight savings on my energy meter, but then I guess im still in the dark 🤔
 

Cameron143

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so true friend but at the same time I can't reason with switching to daylight savings on my energy meter, but then I guess im still in the dark 🤔
Daylight savings time is an idea that has outlived its usefulness.
 

Cameron143

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are you sure it's not daylight Robery 😋
God controls the length of sunlight. Men manipulate it to serve their purposes.
Nothing man does is going to affect the length of time daylight is expressed.
 

Niki7

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You can post crap until your blue in the face.

if you do not preach that it is through baptism of the spirit (NOT WATER) in which we recieve the washing of the HS. the circumcision made without the hands of men, by being Baptized INTO christ death and burial and his body.

then you are in error
So the Bible is crap? The entire post/article is based on scripture with the scriptures listed to prove that is so

I would be in error if I continued to respond to someone who is as off course in their understanding as you appear to be

I won't bother again. You typically did exactly what I thought you would do....you denied what I posted, called it crap (even though it is all scripture) and then say I am wrong.

You can choose to do the right thing and respond to a proper post or you can continue to misinform and try to argue

if you do not preach that it is through baptism of the spirit (NOT WATER) in which we recieve the washing of the HS. the circumcision made without the hands of men, by being Baptized INTO christ death and burial and his body.
That is you having a very bad comprehension problem. I don't preach anything as I am not a preacher so stop the false flags. Of course we are baptized into Christ by the Spirit as I have previously stated a good number of times. What you seem unable to accept, is that salvation by faith in Christ comes before that and that is your problem....you just can't see it. No one is baptized into the body of Christ unless they have first acknowledge Him as their Savior and their need to turn from sin

Maybe you need glasses....I don't know. But one thing I do know, you do not seem able to respond to my actual post but mix up what I posted and then say it's wrong.

Perhaps you twist the Bible the same way you twist what I say. Maybe that is the problem with you here.

Not responding to your repeated twisting of what I actually posted again so feel free to move on from me. Since you do not seem to actually understand what I write, there is no use in playing round and round the mulberry bush with you.
 
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it's all good. i have been pushing his buttons. i don't like to be in a frame of mind of where i get even, but, i don't mind being in the frame of mind where how mean the Enemy of God is, i try to push God to be MORE than the Enemies capabilities.

to assume, gets everyone one of us, on an individual basis, into serious trouble. but knowing how he views Science over God's Holy Word, and the fact whenever you present Scripture that is solid fact, he will say, don't believe that or ignore it and move the goalpost. I truly believe he's an Atheist. but then, he goes to a Latter Day Aints/Mormon website, and begins posting videos for us to presume these Actors are literal Followers of the MOST HIGH GOD. That confirmed his atheism to me.

so, i would absolutely expect him to try and scratch my eyeballs out and do what's necessary to trip me up. I look forward to it, because, this is MY MINISTRY!

when we look at John Piper, Voddie Baucham, including Pentecostal and Other Preachers, WHOSE biggest portion of their Ministry is to Recognize and Confront the False Prophets. You learn by experience to expect the unexpected.

I don't put anything past him to try.
 
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a little girl, during the Gulf War, would come around and sell candy bars.
this little innocent girl, in the middle of, for them, a Holy war, seemed such a delight to many and they gladly would buy her candy.
one day, several bought the candy, 2 died.
the little girl, on her OWN Idealism, thought if she got some hooked on her candy, she could catch them slipping up.
she took a syringe full of poison and injected 2 candy bars.
when they questioned her, she said, i thought by only killing 2, people might not get suspicious so she eventually could poison all of the candy bars and kill more at once.

I am rough around the edges.
I am misjudged by Followers of God all of the time.
but my intent is to do the absolute Will of my Heavenly Father.
it might not come out how many think it should.
but it's more effective because my Message is only for the selected few, False Teachers/Preachers.

Most Christians, who believe in the WEAK SISSY JESUS, would have thought this little girl was a GODSEND!
but, she turned out to be Satan wrapped up in an innocent package.
those Same Christians, would condemn me to Hell.
but, i SAVE them from people like this little girl.

So, i don't care what is thought, my only reward that matters, is for accomplishing the Will of my Heavenly Father!
 

Fundaamental

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it's all good. i have been pushing his buttons. i don't like to be in a frame of mind of where i get even, but, i don't mind being in the frame of mind where how mean the Enemy of God is, i try to push God to be MORE than the Enemies capabilities.

to assume, gets everyone one of us, on an individual basis, into serious trouble. but knowing how he views Science over God's Holy Word, and the fact whenever you present Scripture that is solid fact, he will say, don't believe that or ignore it and move the goalpost. I truly believe he's an Atheist. but then, he goes to a Latter Day Aints/Mormon website, and begins posting videos for us to presume these Actors are literal Followers of the MOST HIGH GOD. That confirmed his atheism to me.

so, i would absolutely expect him to try and scratch my eyeballs out and do what's necessary to trip me up. I look forward to it, because, this is MY MINISTRY!

when we look at John Piper, Voddie Baucham, including Pentecostal and Other Preachers, WHOSE biggest portion of their Ministry is to Recognize and Confront the False Prophets. You learn by experience to expect the unexpected.

I don't put anything past him to try.
this is more outstanding immature remarks from you.

And once again I don't need to explain myself to poison like this, when no matter what I say to you,
You twist and escalate into a rant of ego ballistic psychotic behaviour.

What you believe is what you know, most of what you know is what you want to know only, and what you display most of the time about what you know, is mostly centred on some argument or some insinuation and condemnation.

You then proceed to justify your own actions and back track on your meaningless apologies, and continue to insult without any proof to your insinuations.

Which means you don't repent with any genuine meaning which makes you a fake in the lords eyes.
 
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this is more outstanding immature remarks from you.
so, you're saying, the Truth I present hurts you deeply?
I knew it!
And once again I don't need to explain myself to poison like this, when no matter what I say to you,
You twist and escalate into a rant of ego ballistic psychotic behaviour.
i asked you point blank do you believe, because the Bible claims, the Holy Spirit gives utterance?
YOU said, No, the Father does, which [IS NOT Biblical].

I presented the Bible to you concerning that God only MADE Male and Female, and that SIN is responsible for these weird types of phenom.
YOU said, the Bible is outdated and Science explains it best.

To which I said, God's Word is never Wrong.
YOU said, Science is more intelligent than the Bible [which would be the term I used - Word of God]
What you believe is what you know, most of what you know is what you want to know only, and what you display most of the time about what you know, is mostly centred on some argument or some insinuation and condemnation.
I don't have to Condemn You, how you treat God's Holy Word is already Condemning You!
You then proceed to justify your own actions and back track on your meaningless apologies, and continue to insult without any proof to your insinuations.
I only apologized to CS1.
I will NEVER apologize to someone who has flat out DISMISSED the Holy Word of God each time it was presented to THEM/YOU!
YOU, must have issues to think I would be NICE to someone who has CONTINUALLY DESTROYED the meaning of God's Holy Word.
It's so bad, even some have YOU BLOCKED because of it.
Which means you don't repent with any genuine meaning which makes you a fake in the lords eyes.
Mormons, have no idea WHO GOD is!
Therefore, it is literally IMPOSSIBLE for Mormons to think they actually understand REPENTANCE.

This is NOT the MORMON FAKE OCCULT!
THEY, WILL BURN IN HELL.
if YOU are MORMON, these 2 VERSES are for YOU:

10...and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night


BTW, YOU, should thank me for at least being brutally honest about the Condition You are in, BECAUSE, your Denial of Scripture alone, is more than enough, to set your destination for ALL of ETERNITY!
 

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it's all good. i have been pushing his buttons. i don't like to be in a frame of mind of where i get even, but, i don't mind being in the frame of mind where how mean the Enemy of God is, i try to push God to be MORE than the Enemies capabilities.

to assume, gets everyone one of us, on an individual basis, into serious trouble. but knowing how he views Science over God's Holy Word, and the fact whenever you present Scripture that is solid fact, he will say, don't believe that or ignore it and move the goalpost. I truly believe he's an Atheist. but then, he goes to a Latter Day Aints/Mormon website, and begins posting videos for us to presume these Actors are literal Followers of the MOST HIGH GOD. That confirmed his atheism to me.

so, i would absolutely expect him to try and scratch my eyeballs out and do what's necessary to trip me up. I look forward to it, because, this is MY MINISTRY!

when we look at John Piper, Voddie Baucham, including Pentecostal and Other Preachers, WHOSE biggest portion of their Ministry is to Recognize and Confront the False Prophets. You learn by experience to expect the unexpected.

I don't put anything past him to try.
nice try but why should I accept your pitiful stories when you back track on your apologies ?.

Your sincerity mean very little to me regardless how you excuse your self here

But one thing I do hope you repent genuinely soon. And stop trying to a preacher that your not goodbye by best friend 🙂
 
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nice try but why should I accept your pitiful stories when you back track on your apologies ?.
I NEVER will apologize to You!
So, there's nothing to back track because it has NEVER happened.
Your sincerity mean very little to me regardless how you excuse your self here
Sincerity?
This is a WARNING, not an offer for friendship.
But one thing I do hope you repent genuinely soon. And stop trying to a preacher that your not goodbye by best friend 🙂
the more you WHINE, just proves, I am on the Right Track concerning YOU!
 

Bob-Carabbio

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Romans 8 says to be belong to God one must have the Holy Spirit. Pharisees according to Jesus should know this. Given this, how do you say OT saints didn't have the Holy Spirit?
Simple: The Holy Spirit has been WITH people from the very beginning, but ONLY AFTER THE RESSURECTION could He be IN them as Jesus said (John 14:17). That's "how we say", what Jesus said.
 
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Simple: The Holy Spirit has been WITH people from the very beginning, but ONLY AFTER THE RESSURECTION could He be IN them as Jesus said (John 14:17). That's "how we say", what Jesus said.
Amen!

That's why Isaiah wrote:
Isaiah 48:16 And now the LORD God, and his Spirit, has sent me