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if you're not of the children of israel that covenant day (as a memorial of being brought out of egypt) was never given to you.
i'm wanting to know everything The Lord said about the 7th Day. all of it.
i need to know where it says people can do things or go anywhere on that day.
you said God wants us to.....i need to see where he said those things you ;isted, as in when and where did He ammend the sabbath laws?
the point is, if we think we are being justified or sanctified by the Law, we have broken every Law. right?
and the overwhelming evidence shows the new first century christians began to meet on sunday, and every day they could.
if you're not of the children of israel that covenant day (as a memorial of being brought out of egypt) was never given to you.
i'm wanting to know everything The Lord said about the 7th Day. all of it.
i need to know where it says people can do things or go anywhere on that day.
you said God wants us to.....i need to see where he said those things you ;isted, as in when and where did He ammend the sabbath laws?
the point is, if we think we are being justified or sanctified by the Law, we have broken every Law. right?
and the overwhelming evidence shows the new first century christians began to meet on sunday, and every day they could.
the apostles gave the gentiles their list Lao.
and both in the scriptures and historically christians met and took communion on sunday.
we don't KEEP the Law by "keeping" it halfway Lao. whether you want to call it love or not.
if we're going to claim we are obeying The Lord by keeping Sabbath Law, we best be certain we are not profaning the sabbath, and that we are obeying ALL His statues concerning it.
and both in the scriptures and historically christians met and took communion on sunday.
we don't KEEP the Law by "keeping" it halfway Lao. whether you want to call it love or not.
if we're going to claim we are obeying The Lord by keeping Sabbath Law, we best be certain we are not profaning the sabbath, and that we are obeying ALL His statues concerning it.
we must be careful not to mix up the ceremonial Sabbaths with the 4th commandment Sabbath. they are distinct and only the ceremonial Sabbaths are shadows.
Jesus said concerning the Commandments in which lay the 4th commandment.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Now some of you will say, "see he fulfilled the law". but think about it before you do. clearly Jesus is saying that the law is not gone. so "fulfil" can not mean the law is gone or done away with or destroyed.
Notice it was foretold that the Messiah will magnify the law not destroy it.
Isa 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
Jesus did exactly that, as if he took a magnifying glass and aimed it right at the law.
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Notice that Jesus after saying he did not come to take the law away, now turns to magnifying the law and showing that it is deeper than the plain letter. Notice the words of Jesus straight after he said he did not come to destroy the law.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
notice that Jesus says that anyone who teaches to break the commandments will be called least in heaven. this does not mean that that person will be in heaven but that he will be viewed as least by those who are in heaven.
here is what God says to those who do not keep his law.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
the word iniquity at the end is a correct translation or should I say one of the English words that can be used here. another translation which is true to the greek is "depart from me, ye law breakers". some translations put this. both are correct because sin is breaking the law as John says.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
lets see what Paul says:
Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
so by faith through Christ we establish the law. this word used here "establish" means to both abide in the law and to hold it up that it may be seen.
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
also Paul says we should no longer walk in sin. remember that John said that sin is the breaking of the law. so if sin is breaking the law and Paul says we should no longer walk in sin. then that means we will be keeping the law of God and not breaking it. (this study is about the law so I have not gone into the power of the Spirit that helps us to walk in Gods ways).
Paul makes it clear in chapter 7:
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
notice that the law was ordained to life. that the law is holy, just and good. so why does it demand death?
Answer: because we have broken it. but through the blood of Jesus Christ we are freed from past transgressions and enabled by the spirit to walk in Gods ways and keep his Laws.
Paul also states in verse 13 that the law points out sin. how because we can read it and see we have broken it.
James puts it like this.
Jas 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
Jas 1:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Notice James likens the law to a mirror in which we may see our true self. but he cautions the reader, that we must then walk in that law and not be a forgetful person who forgets who he is and then does nothing.
Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Notice that James says, we must live as those who are judged by the law of liberty. what is the law of liberty?
Answer: verse 11 shows us it is the same law that Jesus magnified, it is the same law that Paul said is holy. it is the 10 commandment law.
You may say to me, well this sounds like a works based faith. I will let James answer this point.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Faith is what we are saved by, works is the result of that salvation through the working of the Holy Spirit.
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
It is by the spirit that we are able to obey the commandments of God.
Jesus said concerning this:
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Jesus was clear that the spirit enables us to obey the commandments of God.
the basis of the commandments is love. if we have not love we have nothing. the Jews kept the commandments out of duty and not love thus they did not obey fully but rather outwardly. God desires an inward change that flows outward.
The book of revelation tells us something about those who will be saved.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Notice that Satan/dragon is angry with those who keep Gods commandments and are connected to Jesus. also in verse 14. the saints are those who keep the commandments and faith of Jesus. so faith and works go together just like James said.
look what John tells us:
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
over and over he tells us that knowing him is keeping his commandments. John understood that love was behind the commandments. no one could just keep the letter and be saved. no one can keep them without the spirit and no one can receive the spirit without faith.
some of you will say that its a new commandment that we should love our neighbour and love God with all our hearts and minds and soul. but this has always been the truth. its not new.
James showed us that love your neighbour is a summery of the last six commandments. we know that love God is the first four. its about love for God that is what it comes down to. If we love him we will keep his commandments. this is how we know that we love him if we keep his commandments.
Remember what Jesus said to those who break the law. "I do not know you"
Some search the texts in Romans and other books of the bible and focus on everything that seems to say the opposit of what I have shown here in the scripture. but is the bible conflicting with itself?
No, God forbid. we must take it all in and we will find the truth. this is just a snippet and the true greatness in this message is about Jesus who did not just come to justify us and forgive us for our sins against Gods law. but also to sanctify us through the Holy Spirit that we may no longer walk in sin and keep the law of God.
Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
Let no man tell you that the commandments of God are done away with. let no man tell you it is ok to break even one. let no man tell you you must keep them to be saved.
If you love Him. emphasis on love. then Keep his commandments by faith through Jesus Christ and the power of the Holy spirit. Jesus died to free us from the bondage of sin. and if sin is breaking the law then he must have died to enable us to obey.
I have personally experienced this power and through the Lord I grow every day. I will glory in nothing save the cross of Jesus Christ.
May God bless you and keep you in his ways through the grace bought with His own blood. forever to be praised. In Jesus name amen.
Jesus said concerning the Commandments in which lay the 4th commandment.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Now some of you will say, "see he fulfilled the law". but think about it before you do. clearly Jesus is saying that the law is not gone. so "fulfil" can not mean the law is gone or done away with or destroyed.
Notice it was foretold that the Messiah will magnify the law not destroy it.
Isa 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
Jesus did exactly that, as if he took a magnifying glass and aimed it right at the law.
Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Notice that Jesus after saying he did not come to take the law away, now turns to magnifying the law and showing that it is deeper than the plain letter. Notice the words of Jesus straight after he said he did not come to destroy the law.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
notice that Jesus says that anyone who teaches to break the commandments will be called least in heaven. this does not mean that that person will be in heaven but that he will be viewed as least by those who are in heaven.
here is what God says to those who do not keep his law.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
the word iniquity at the end is a correct translation or should I say one of the English words that can be used here. another translation which is true to the greek is "depart from me, ye law breakers". some translations put this. both are correct because sin is breaking the law as John says.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
lets see what Paul says:
Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
so by faith through Christ we establish the law. this word used here "establish" means to both abide in the law and to hold it up that it may be seen.
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
also Paul says we should no longer walk in sin. remember that John said that sin is the breaking of the law. so if sin is breaking the law and Paul says we should no longer walk in sin. then that means we will be keeping the law of God and not breaking it. (this study is about the law so I have not gone into the power of the Spirit that helps us to walk in Gods ways).
Paul makes it clear in chapter 7:
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
notice that the law was ordained to life. that the law is holy, just and good. so why does it demand death?
Answer: because we have broken it. but through the blood of Jesus Christ we are freed from past transgressions and enabled by the spirit to walk in Gods ways and keep his Laws.
Paul also states in verse 13 that the law points out sin. how because we can read it and see we have broken it.
James puts it like this.
Jas 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
Jas 1:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Notice James likens the law to a mirror in which we may see our true self. but he cautions the reader, that we must then walk in that law and not be a forgetful person who forgets who he is and then does nothing.
Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Notice that James says, we must live as those who are judged by the law of liberty. what is the law of liberty?
Answer: verse 11 shows us it is the same law that Jesus magnified, it is the same law that Paul said is holy. it is the 10 commandment law.
You may say to me, well this sounds like a works based faith. I will let James answer this point.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Faith is what we are saved by, works is the result of that salvation through the working of the Holy Spirit.
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
It is by the spirit that we are able to obey the commandments of God.
Jesus said concerning this:
Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Jesus was clear that the spirit enables us to obey the commandments of God.
the basis of the commandments is love. if we have not love we have nothing. the Jews kept the commandments out of duty and not love thus they did not obey fully but rather outwardly. God desires an inward change that flows outward.
The book of revelation tells us something about those who will be saved.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Notice that Satan/dragon is angry with those who keep Gods commandments and are connected to Jesus. also in verse 14. the saints are those who keep the commandments and faith of Jesus. so faith and works go together just like James said.
look what John tells us:
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
1Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
over and over he tells us that knowing him is keeping his commandments. John understood that love was behind the commandments. no one could just keep the letter and be saved. no one can keep them without the spirit and no one can receive the spirit without faith.
some of you will say that its a new commandment that we should love our neighbour and love God with all our hearts and minds and soul. but this has always been the truth. its not new.
James showed us that love your neighbour is a summery of the last six commandments. we know that love God is the first four. its about love for God that is what it comes down to. If we love him we will keep his commandments. this is how we know that we love him if we keep his commandments.
Remember what Jesus said to those who break the law. "I do not know you"
Some search the texts in Romans and other books of the bible and focus on everything that seems to say the opposit of what I have shown here in the scripture. but is the bible conflicting with itself?
No, God forbid. we must take it all in and we will find the truth. this is just a snippet and the true greatness in this message is about Jesus who did not just come to justify us and forgive us for our sins against Gods law. but also to sanctify us through the Holy Spirit that we may no longer walk in sin and keep the law of God.
Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
Let no man tell you that the commandments of God are done away with. let no man tell you it is ok to break even one. let no man tell you you must keep them to be saved.
If you love Him. emphasis on love. then Keep his commandments by faith through Jesus Christ and the power of the Holy spirit. Jesus died to free us from the bondage of sin. and if sin is breaking the law then he must have died to enable us to obey.
I have personally experienced this power and through the Lord I grow every day. I will glory in nothing save the cross of Jesus Christ.
May God bless you and keep you in his ways through the grace bought with His own blood. forever to be praised. In Jesus name amen.
The New Testament has ample evidence that the seventh day Sabbath is no longer a requirement.
- Rom. 14:5-6, "One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God."
- Col. 2:16-17, "Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."
- Acts 20:7, "And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight."
- 1 Cor. 16:1-2, "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. 2 On the first day of every week let each one of you put aside and save, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come."
Sorry, I rushed myself when responding before.
Let me correct myself, there was not a commandment given to observe the Sabbath until the Israelites were brought out of Egypt. This commandment was later included in the Law given to Moses for the Israelites.
I believe the rest of what I said is still relevant.
Let me correct myself, there was not a commandment given to observe the Sabbath until the Israelites were brought out of Egypt. This commandment was later included in the Law given to Moses for the Israelites.
I believe the rest of what I said is still relevant.
Sister Zone, thanx for your reply. believe it or not you have taken a position on these points that is contrary to the word of God. why I do not know, maybe you were tough this or its simply misunderstanding. either way I am sure you love the Lord and desire to know His word better. this is how I know that you will study the things I am about to say to see if they are true.
Now I have already made a strong biblical case for the law to be kept by Christians who follow and love Jesus. so one must ask the question, if the Sabbath is part of this law then should it not be kept with the rest?
Answer:
yes, unless of course there is clear instruction by God in his word to change that Sabbath day to another day.
so let us examine the texts you have sited and see if they do change the Sabbath of the law.
The First text you used is Romans 14 5-6 so lets look at it.
IF we take note of verses 4, 10, and 13 in this chapter we notice a repeated theme.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
The theme Paul is speaking of is about judging one another.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
notice that Paul's main point is about not judging others because that is Gods job. God will judge
James helps us understand this:
Jas 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
Jas 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
Jas 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
notice the point here, if we judge then we put ourselves in place of God and his law. so we should not judge each other but let God be judge.
Now is this what Paul is saying in chapter 14?
Answer: yes he is, Paul has made it abundantly clear in the chapters coming up to 14 that those who are led by the Holy spirit turn from sin and walk according to the Law of God. (Some of those texts are in the last study on the law I did.)
One must take note also that Paul is speaking about the grumbling of the Jews who say that the gentiles should obey the ceremonial laws which entail the feast days of God, Paul is saying we should not judge the gentiles who do not observe them. and rightly so because Paul knew that the ceremonial feast days were a shadow of Christ. he is not referring to the moral law or els he would now be going against what he has established in the chapters coming up to 14.
Next you sited Col. 2:16-17
does it really say the 7th day Sabbath is gone?
Answer:
Not at all. It refers only to the sabbaths which were "a shadow of things to come" and not to the seventh-day Sabbath. There were seven yearly holy days, or holidays, in ancient Israel which were also called sabbaths. These were in addition to, or "beside the sabbaths of the Lord" (Leviticus 23:38), or seventh-day Sabbath. These all foreshadowed, or pointed to, the cross and ended at the cross. God's seventh-day Sabbath was made before sin entered, and therefore could foreshadow nothing about deliverance from sin. That's why Colossians chapter 2 differentiates and specifically mentions the sabbaths that were "a shadow." These seven yearly sabbaths which were abolished are listed in Leviticus chapter 23.
You also sited acts 20:7
does this show that the people of God observed another day for Sabbath?
Answer:
According to the Bible, each day begins at sundown and ends at the next sundown (Genesis 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31; Leviticus 23:32) and the dark part of the day comes first. So Sabbath begins Friday night at sundown and ends Saturday night at sundown. This meeting of Acts 20 was held on the dark part of Sunday, or on what we now call Saturday night. The New English Bible* begins Acts 20:7 like this: "On the Saturday night in our assembly ..." It was a Saturday-night meeting, and it lasted until midnight. Paul was on a farewell tour and knew he would not see these people again before his death (verse 25). No wonder he preached so long! (No regular weekly service would have lasted all night.) Paul was "ready to depart on the morrow." The "breaking of bread" has no "holy day" significance whatever, because they broke bread daily (Acts 2:46). There is not the slightest indication in this Scripture passage that the first day is holy, nor that these early Christians considered it so. Nor is there the remotest evidence that the Sabbath had been changed. Incidentally, this meeting is probably mentioned in the Scripture only because of the miracle of raising Eutychus back to life after he fell to his death from a third-floor window. In Ezekiel 46:1, God refers to Sunday as one of the six "working days."
Lastly you sited 1 cor 16:1-2
Does this help show that the Sabbath is done away with?
Answer:
No, there is no reference here to a public meeting. The money was to be laid aside privately at home. A famine was raging in Judea (Romans 15:26; Acts 11:26-30), and Paul was writing to ask the churches in Asia Minor to assist their famine-stricken brethren. These Christians all kept Sabbath holy, so Paul suggested that on Sunday morning (which was the time they paid bills and settled accounts), after the Sabbath was over, they put aside something for their needy brethren so it would be on hand when he came. It was to be done privately or, as La Santa Biblia (a Spanish translation) says, "at home." Notice also that there is no reference here to Sunday as a holy day. In fact, the Bible nowhere commands or even suggests Sundaykeeping.
Many make the mistake of using these texts to show that the Sabbath day is done away with. this is largely due to a lack of cultural understanding and a reading into the text something that is not there.
Let me ask you a question: If the 7th day Sabbath is part of the Ten commandments which is the moral Law. and Jesus said he did not come to do away with the Law. Then how can we say that this one has been done away with?
May God richly bless you as you walk in His grace.
Now I have already made a strong biblical case for the law to be kept by Christians who follow and love Jesus. so one must ask the question, if the Sabbath is part of this law then should it not be kept with the rest?
Answer:
yes, unless of course there is clear instruction by God in his word to change that Sabbath day to another day.
so let us examine the texts you have sited and see if they do change the Sabbath of the law.
The First text you used is Romans 14 5-6 so lets look at it.
IF we take note of verses 4, 10, and 13 in this chapter we notice a repeated theme.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
The theme Paul is speaking of is about judging one another.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
notice that Paul's main point is about not judging others because that is Gods job. God will judge
James helps us understand this:
Jas 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
Jas 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
Jas 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
notice the point here, if we judge then we put ourselves in place of God and his law. so we should not judge each other but let God be judge.
Now is this what Paul is saying in chapter 14?
Answer: yes he is, Paul has made it abundantly clear in the chapters coming up to 14 that those who are led by the Holy spirit turn from sin and walk according to the Law of God. (Some of those texts are in the last study on the law I did.)
One must take note also that Paul is speaking about the grumbling of the Jews who say that the gentiles should obey the ceremonial laws which entail the feast days of God, Paul is saying we should not judge the gentiles who do not observe them. and rightly so because Paul knew that the ceremonial feast days were a shadow of Christ. he is not referring to the moral law or els he would now be going against what he has established in the chapters coming up to 14.
Next you sited Col. 2:16-17
does it really say the 7th day Sabbath is gone?
Answer:
Not at all. It refers only to the sabbaths which were "a shadow of things to come" and not to the seventh-day Sabbath. There were seven yearly holy days, or holidays, in ancient Israel which were also called sabbaths. These were in addition to, or "beside the sabbaths of the Lord" (Leviticus 23:38), or seventh-day Sabbath. These all foreshadowed, or pointed to, the cross and ended at the cross. God's seventh-day Sabbath was made before sin entered, and therefore could foreshadow nothing about deliverance from sin. That's why Colossians chapter 2 differentiates and specifically mentions the sabbaths that were "a shadow." These seven yearly sabbaths which were abolished are listed in Leviticus chapter 23.
You also sited acts 20:7
does this show that the people of God observed another day for Sabbath?
Answer:
According to the Bible, each day begins at sundown and ends at the next sundown (Genesis 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31; Leviticus 23:32) and the dark part of the day comes first. So Sabbath begins Friday night at sundown and ends Saturday night at sundown. This meeting of Acts 20 was held on the dark part of Sunday, or on what we now call Saturday night. The New English Bible* begins Acts 20:7 like this: "On the Saturday night in our assembly ..." It was a Saturday-night meeting, and it lasted until midnight. Paul was on a farewell tour and knew he would not see these people again before his death (verse 25). No wonder he preached so long! (No regular weekly service would have lasted all night.) Paul was "ready to depart on the morrow." The "breaking of bread" has no "holy day" significance whatever, because they broke bread daily (Acts 2:46). There is not the slightest indication in this Scripture passage that the first day is holy, nor that these early Christians considered it so. Nor is there the remotest evidence that the Sabbath had been changed. Incidentally, this meeting is probably mentioned in the Scripture only because of the miracle of raising Eutychus back to life after he fell to his death from a third-floor window. In Ezekiel 46:1, God refers to Sunday as one of the six "working days."
Lastly you sited 1 cor 16:1-2
Does this help show that the Sabbath is done away with?
Answer:
No, there is no reference here to a public meeting. The money was to be laid aside privately at home. A famine was raging in Judea (Romans 15:26; Acts 11:26-30), and Paul was writing to ask the churches in Asia Minor to assist their famine-stricken brethren. These Christians all kept Sabbath holy, so Paul suggested that on Sunday morning (which was the time they paid bills and settled accounts), after the Sabbath was over, they put aside something for their needy brethren so it would be on hand when he came. It was to be done privately or, as La Santa Biblia (a Spanish translation) says, "at home." Notice also that there is no reference here to Sunday as a holy day. In fact, the Bible nowhere commands or even suggests Sundaykeeping.
Many make the mistake of using these texts to show that the Sabbath day is done away with. this is largely due to a lack of cultural understanding and a reading into the text something that is not there.
Let me ask you a question: If the 7th day Sabbath is part of the Ten commandments which is the moral Law. and Jesus said he did not come to do away with the Law. Then how can we say that this one has been done away with?
May God richly bless you as you walk in His grace.
thanks for your careful study, i have looked it over.
i'll come back to the NT evidence and historical evidence that christians met on sunday, on another thread.
would it be possible for you to post everything God has revealed concerning the 7th day sabbath?
if i could see it all together, then we could discuss it, since i agree with you: the Seventh Day Sabbath Law has not changed at all.
thanks
zone.
(could you possible start a new thread? thx)
i'll come back to the NT evidence and historical evidence that christians met on sunday, on another thread.
would it be possible for you to post everything God has revealed concerning the 7th day sabbath?
if i could see it all together, then we could discuss it, since i agree with you: the Seventh Day Sabbath Law has not changed at all.
thanks
zone.
(could you possible start a new thread? thx)