Question for those who believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture
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Nah. Many of us believe that the "whose COMING / ADVENT / ARRIVAL / PRESENCE / PAROUSIA" of him (per 2Th2:9a) starts way back at Daniel 11:36, where that text states, "And the king shall do according to his will" [i.e. regime-change language used elsewhere in Daniel, to refer to a new leader, in the text]... Compare the wording of the rest of that verse with what we also read about him in 2Th2 as well--same description.
(And Paul is ALSO covering the entire "7 year period" in that chapter, not merely the 3.5 yrs that many suppose he is only covering there, per v.4b!).
The MID-point of the "7 year period" only being begun to be spoken of in Daniel 12:1 (well after the 11:36 point in the chronology, which is its START--the START of the 7-yr period).
Other related passages ALSO show this same "beginning--middle--end" points of the 7-yr period (and re: him / the AC / man of sin / etc being the main character of that whole time period, so to speak...), meaning, the 7-yr period will not "be present" until/unless he also is present (in his role--I don't mean, like, existing at all... I'm pretty sure he'll start out his life as a baby just like everyone else, but I'm not speaking to that point in time... but the point in time being addressed in scripture, regarding this person... in his role, as such).
I think it's a mistake to think that just because Rev13:4b-5 mentions the "42 months," that this means he will only exist in his role for that amount of time (and starting there).
(And Paul is ALSO covering the entire "7 year period" in that chapter, not merely the 3.5 yrs that many suppose he is only covering there, per v.4b!).
The MID-point of the "7 year period" only being begun to be spoken of in Daniel 12:1 (well after the 11:36 point in the chronology, which is its START--the START of the 7-yr period).
Other related passages ALSO show this same "beginning--middle--end" points of the 7-yr period (and re: him / the AC / man of sin / etc being the main character of that whole time period, so to speak...), meaning, the 7-yr period will not "be present" until/unless he also is present (in his role--I don't mean, like, existing at all... I'm pretty sure he'll start out his life as a baby just like everyone else, but I'm not speaking to that point in time... but the point in time being addressed in scripture, regarding this person... in his role, as such).
I think it's a mistake to think that just because Rev13:4b-5 mentions the "42 months," that this means he will only exist in his role for that amount of time (and starting there).
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I think it's a mistake to think that just because Rev13:4b-5 mentions the "42 months," that this means he will only exist in his role for that amount of time (and starting there). Nope, don't think so.
The emphasis there is on, "and POWER WAS GIVEN UNTO HIM to..." (at that point in the chronology--not that he wasn't already existing on the earth in that role [AC / man of sin] in the FIRST HALF... which other passages show us is indeed the case)
I think it's a mistake to think that just because Rev13:4b-5 mentions the "42 months," that this means he will only exist in his role for that amount of time (and starting there). Nope, don't think so.
The emphasis there is on, "and POWER WAS GIVEN UNTO HIM to..." (at that point in the chronology--not that he wasn't already existing on the earth in that role [AC / man of sin] in the FIRST HALF... which other passages show us is indeed the case)
When is the Church raised and removed to heaven?
If the tribulations believers are raised post tribulation, who are they reigning over with Christ? There is no-one left to populate the earth for the Millennium.
Who are the Tribulation believers? Are they "in Christ" and therefore part of the Church, or are the Jewish believers and part of Israel?
If the tribulations believers are raised post tribulation, who are they reigning over with Christ? There is no-one left to populate the earth for the Millennium.
Who are the Tribulation believers? Are they "in Christ" and therefore part of the Church, or are the Jewish believers and part of Israel?