Question in story of noah.

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First of all Enoch was written in 2nd Century BC. So if Jesus, Peter, and Jude are quoting it, IT WAS NOT WRITTEN BY THE PHARISEES!
 
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So? It does not say angels had sex with women, yet that is EXACTLY how you interpret what is said.

It does not say the Nephilim were the offspring of these unholy unions, either.
Well you are wrong because it does say that in Genesis 6.
 
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Wrong according to you.
No, they are just objectively wrong if they arrive at the wrong answer. Just the same if they arrive at the right answer then they are just objectively right. It does not really matter if I am alive or dead, the truth will remain. You could think of it like a math problem, everyone wants to get the right solution, but some people go wrong adding to the equation from outside sources, some people have the right equation in front of them, but they don't PEMDAS.
 

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No, they are just objectively wrong if they arrive at the wrong answer. Just the same if they arrive at the right answer then they are just objectively right. It does not really matter if I am alive or dead, the truth will remain. You could think of it like a math problem, everyone wants to get the right solution, but some people go wrong adding to the equation from outside sources, some people have the right equation in front of them, but they don't PEMDAS.
Wrong according to you. Really, are you incapable of admitting you could be wrong?
 
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Verse please. Word for word.
Genesis 6:1-4

1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
 

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Genesis 6:1-4

1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Yep, nothing saying angels had sex with women, just man's interpretation and extrapolating to the children these women bore were Nephilim, when it does not say that either. Then people say that is the reason the world was flooded when Scripture says it is because of evil men and nothing about angels there, either!
 
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Wrong according to you. Really, are you incapable of admitting you could be wrong?
If I can be shown to be wrong, and misled by Moses, Peter, Jude, and Paul I will gladly admit I was wrong and that they tricked me, and I will utterly forsake them.
 

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If I can be shown to be wrong, and misled by Moses, Peter, Jude, and Paul I will gladly admit I was wrong and that they tricked me, and I will utterly forsake them.
There is your black and white thinking again. Tricked by Moses, Peter, Paul and Jude. Really??? LOL My goodness. How about taking some personal responsibility in the matter?
 
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Yep, nothing saying angels had sex with women, just man's interpretation and extrapolating to the children these women bore were Nephilim, when it does not say that either.
Verses 2 and 4 describe the first time the angels fell, why they fell, and the offspring produced. This is in line with Paul, Jude, and Peter.
 

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Verses 2 and 4 describe the first time the angels fell, why they fell, and the offspring produced. This is in line with Paul, Jude, and Peter.
There is no Scripture that says angels had sex with women, period. That is how some interpret what is actually said.

Nothing is said of their offspring. They fell due to aligning themselves with Satan.
 
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There is your black and white thinking again. Tricked by Moses, Peter, Paul and Jude. Really??? LOL My goodness. How about taking some personal responsibility in the matter?
Because Moses, Peter, Paul, and Jude are who told me. If they tricked me I will take responsibility that they beguiled me and I did eat their knowledge and was misled and I will repent myself and utterly forsake them. But that is a big IF, because they could all four of them also be right.
 

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Because Moses, Peter, Paul, and Jude are who told me. If they tricked me I will take responsibility that they beguiled me and I did eat their knowledge and was misled and I will repent myself and utterly forsake them. But that is a big IF, because they could all four of them also be right.
I don't doubt them. I doubt your interpretation.
 
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We can agree before the KJV existed, the Hebrew Torah existed. So it makes it clearer.

2 That the sons of the nobles saw the daughters of man when they were beautifying themselves, and they took for themselves wives from whomever they chose.

Nobles = Malach (Hebrew origin) meaning "angel who is noble.
 
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4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of the nobles would come to the daughters of man, and they would bear for them; they are the mighty men, who were of old, the men of renown.
 
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Sons of God being INTERPRETED to mean angels. It does NOT say angels.
The angels are also called the sons of God. Jude and Peter corroborate those angels fell long ago and further tell us that those angels have been thrown into hell in chains. Paul gives us a link between the modesty of women and the angels also. A three-fold cord is not easily broken.