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Nehemiah6

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Is it sin to be a army because you will kill other people for your country. I was thinking about it and i read the story on the bible there is war and they fight for God. I am just getting confused that God said Learn to love your Enemies. It will be a sin or Not?
The instructions to love our enemies is directed at personal enemies -- your personal enemies. As far as the enemies of God and of your country, as you can see in the Bible that warfare was permissible, and even Paul, when speaking about soldiers did not condemn warfare as such.

Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier. (2 Tim 2:3,4)
 
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joefizz

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Is it sin to be a army because you will kill other people for your country. I was thinking about it and i read the story on the bible there is war and they fight for God. I am just getting confused that God said Learn to love your Enemies. It will be a sin or Not?
it is all about intentions and what comes to pass from those intentions,as well as what is in your heart at the time to further explain what I mean it is written if I am not mistaking in either the books of kings or books of samuel or both,of an act that David did that was out of lusting desire and resulted in a man's death,the woman's name was bath-sheba and though David already had plenty of wives and concubines he looked upon her and lusted for her and put her husband at the front lines speaking of him as a valiant warrior and thought nothing of this until after the man died and he took proper steps to wait until bath-Sheba was no longer mourning and still thought nothing on what happened to Bath-Sheba's husband until a prophet came unto him telling of a man who had one ewe lamb and a man whom had many lambs and yet the man with many lambs thought to take the man with one ewe lamb's ewe lamb and the many with many lambs killed the man whom had only the one ewe lamb,and David himself said that it is was wrong that the man with many lambs killed the man and took his only ewe lamb,and the prophet said "thou art the man",and David rent his clothes and knew now what he had done and that God held him accountable for the man's death for he was the leader over the men on the battlefield and sought bath-sheba as his own and through this desire he killed her husband,that he didn't do this physically himself was of no difference to God,so basically what I'm getting at with this is that,anyone can kill in their heart without lifting a weapon,obedience is very important to God but he must have your heart as well,for if it is filled with hate,lust,or envy then you will do wrong by him,also to answer why we are to "love" our enemies is because "God does not delight in anyone's death"so a "True" warrior/soldier must know the difference between killing to protect their country and killing because they hate their enemy,a"True" warrior/soldier must not allow himself to be blinded by pride or hate,they are to have an unclouded mind,is it a sin to kill Yes it is,is it wrong to protect by killing when necessary,No,but most important one must stick to the goal all in their ranks are fighting toward otherwise a "warrior/soldier could jeopardize the overall mission,and speaking of battle in I believe matthew it is written"there shall be wars and rumors of wars but these things have to happen" so as much as many would like to see war done away with, it still continues because it is apart of God's plan,so will their still be a need of blood shed at times unfortunately yes,and it is sin no matter the cause but this is why we have grace now so that when there are times that require killing or blood shed that there is still salvation through Jesus and that is all the more a great blessing all in all,for if not for Jesus dieing for us then how much more difficult would it be to keep doing right for God,or worse die in our sins before even lifting a weapon,Jesus died so as that all would no longer die to the law but be able to live without condemnation unto death,for now if their be times that unfortunately require blood shed we are allowed to do so,but only for a "justifiable cause" not for any form of "vengeance" "for "vengeance is mine saith the lord" nor for any form of self gain just as I described before.
 
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joefizz

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it is all about intentions and what comes to pass from those intentions,as well as what is in your heart at the time to further explain what I mean it is written if I am not mistaking in either the books of kings or books of samuel or both,of an act that David did that was out of lusting desire and resulted in a man's death,the woman's name was bath-sheba and though David already had plenty of wives and concubines he looked upon her and lusted for her and put her husband at the front lines speaking of him as a valiant warrior and thought nothing of this until after the man died and he took proper steps to wait until bath-Sheba was no longer mourning and still thought nothing on what happened to Bath-Sheba's husband until a prophet came unto him telling of a man who had one ewe lamb and a man whom had many lambs and yet the man with many lambs thought to take the man with one ewe lamb's ewe lamb and the many with many lambs killed the man whom had only the one ewe lamb,and David himself said that it is was wrong that the man with many lambs killed the man and took his only ewe lamb,and the prophet said "thou art the man",and David rent his clothes and knew now what he had done and that God held him accountable for the man's death for he was the leader over the men on the battlefield and sought bath-sheba as his own and through this desire he killed her husband,that he didn't do this physically himself was of no difference to God,so basically what I'm getting at with this is that,anyone can kill in their heart without lifting a weapon,obedience is very important to God but he must have your heart as well,for if it is filled with hate,lust,or envy then you will do wrong by him,also to answer why we are to "love" our enemies is because "God does not delight in anyone's death"so a "True" warrior/soldier must know the difference between killing to protect their country and killing because they hate their enemy,a"True" warrior/soldier must not allow himself to be blinded by pride or hate,they are to have an unclouded mind,is it a sin to kill Yes it is,is it wrong to protect by killing when necessary,No,but most important one must stick to the goal all in their ranks are fighting toward otherwise a "warrior/soldier could jeopardize the overall mission,and speaking of battle in I believe matthew it is written"there shall be wars and rumors of wars but these things have to happen" so as much as many would like to see war done away with, it still continues because it is apart of God's plan,so will their still be a need of blood shed at times unfortunately yes,and it is sin no matter the cause but this is why we have grace now so that when there are times that require killing or blood shed that there is still salvation through Jesus and that is all the more a great blessing all in all,for if not for Jesus dieing for us then how much more difficult would it be to keep doing right for God,or worse die in our sins before even lifting a weapon,Jesus died so as that all would no longer die to the law but be able to live without condemnation unto death,for now if their be times that unfortunately require blood shed we are allowed to do so,but only for a "justifiable cause" not for any form of "vengeance" "for "vengeance is mine saith the lord" nor for any form of self gain just as I described before.
Also on a personal note"Thank God" for people here being understanding otherwise some of my unintentional wall texts like this one would have me booted out of here and feeling down lol,so once again apologies for this when the holy spirit burns in me about all I can remember to do is put commas and afterward do a spell check,so if anyone would like to edit this in a more readable paragraph form I would be appreciative!
 
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Is it sin to be a army because you will kill other people for your country. I was thinking about it and i read the story on the bible there is war and they fight for God. I am just getting confused that God said Learn to love your Enemies. It will be a sin or Not?
The sin would be not standing for your country. Did God's king David have an army? Did Gods people fight and kill? Who commanded them?
 

loveme1

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Is it sin to be a army because you will kill other people for your country. I was thinking about it and i read the story on the bible there is war and they fight for God. I am just getting confused that God said Learn to love your Enemies. It will be a sin or Not?
Matthew 26


51And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear. 52Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. 53Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? 54But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?
 

loveme1

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The sin would be not standing for your country. Did God's king David have an army? Did Gods people fight and kill? Who commanded them?
That was a different season.... we are children of peace.
 
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Is it sin to be a army because you will kill other people for your country. I was thinking about it and i read the story on the bible there is war and they fight for God. I am just getting confused that God said Learn to love your Enemies. It will be a sin or Not?
Sin is s 12 year of joining a form with the youngest has to be 13.
 
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pottersclay

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You are called to defend , not to kill. Big difference. By God's hand Israel was able to defend her walls and destroy her enemies. Unfortunately all through history you cannot have peace without war. But one day when our Lord comes back and puts a end to the madness there will be no such thing as war.
 
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That was a different season.... we are children of peace.
Yes. So we say. The Israelites were people of Peace too. Yet Peace told His people to kill man woman child donkey camel and to destroy all the belongings. Why is that?
 

Bladerunner

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The sin would be not standing for your country. Did God's king David have an army? Did Gods people fight and kill? Who commanded them?

I do believe that Jesus Himself lead the army that fell the walls of Jericho

 

Adstar

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Is it sin to be a army because you will kill other people for your country. I was thinking about it and i read the story on the bible there is war and they fight for God. I am just getting confused that God said Learn to love your Enemies. It will be a sin or Not?
I believe fighting in war is sin for people who believe what Jesus said about loving ones enemies.. I might add .. His words are for our times.. In the OT times the policy was different..
 
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I believe fighting in war is sin for people who believe what Jesus said about loving ones enemies.. I might add .. His words are for our times.. In the OT times the policy was different..
So then Let other people go to war to protect you while you hide under your bed. Good testimony
 

Adstar

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So then Let other people go to war to protect you while you hide under your bed. Good testimony
Nope.. I rely on the protection of the LORD Jesus Christ... I have never asked anyone to go and kill other people for me..
 
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Nope.. I rely on the protection of the LORD Jesus Christ... I have never asked anyone to go and kill other people for me..
If that's true why would you allow men to die protecting you and your country as you hide under your bed? Your father went and put his life on the line for you. Where did you acquire such cowardice?
 

mcubed

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I tell you the truth if you came into my house to kill me I would get my Glock 26 (small hands) and kill you before you could kill me. Is this sin? No. why the Scripture says though shall not murder. Murder was punished by stoning. Is self-defense or war murder. No.

Death is awful. G-d sees the taking someone’s life not all equal. That is why He said if an ax head flies off its handle and kills someone he is not a murder and he can go to a city of refuge and live and no one was allowed to come after you and kill you for their loved one’s death.

I love my enemy, if you want to kill me I pray you are saved I want you in heaven, G-d willing I will lead you to Him and nobody must die, but want to kill me I will try to kill you first.

Y-shua said there will be wars and rumors of wars He never commanded us to not go to war. We look forward to His return and then there will be world peace, the lion will even laydown with the Lamb and all will know, be taught of Him.
 

loveme1

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Yes. So we say. The Israelites were people of Peace too. Yet Peace told His people to kill man woman child donkey camel and to destroy all the belongings. Why is that?
All things came to pass in due season to bring us the New Covenant.

You will say here well the Israelites did it so we can then another issue arises and you will say well we are not Israelites so we don't have to....
 

loveme1

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If that's true why would you allow men to die protecting you and your country as you hide under your bed? Your father went and put his life on the line for you. Where did you acquire such cowardice?
Maybe this person does not wish anyone go off to war and die for agenda of man.

Maybe they wish to abide here Faithfully not loving their life that they will kill to save it..

Daniel did not fight the lions.. no he had Faith...
 

lastofall

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There are two matter's to consider by the Word of God:

"My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight"..(John 18:36)

"And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages." (Luke 3:14)

[for me anyway] being one who was in the military we must proceed carefully in Christ in whatsoever vocation we may enter, that we do make the sincere effort to keep ourselves in submission to and relying upon God's Word. As a soldier therefore to "do violence to no man" is to keep ourselves from being the aggressor, but only in defense, and nothing wavering: for our Lord's kingdom is not of this world, so then neither is ours.