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Maybe this person does not wish anyone go off to war and die for agenda of man.

Maybe they wish to abide here Faithfully not loving their life that they will kill to save it..

Daniel did not fight the lions.. no he had Faith...
Who does want people to go off to war. Only crooked politicians. Nobody else. Still they send you off to war, its not murder as mcubed said above. You can kill to protect or self defense. That is not murder and I agree it is not a thing a sane person would like. But if it needs doing, you do it.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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I think it is a sin to take someone's life, no matter the situation.

Not saying I am certain I wouldn't do it, if I ended up in war, but I'd still reckon it a sin

and now I will have to hide, because the CC "Everything is acceptable in war" crowd will stone me
 
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Ecc 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
Ecc 3:2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
Ecc 3:3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
Old covenant.
 
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Originally Posted by Yonah

Ecc 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
Ecc 3:2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
Ecc 3:3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;


Old covenant. NO! LIFE!
 
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Originally Posted by Yonah

Ecc 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
Ecc 3:2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
Ecc 3:3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;


Old covenant. NO! LIFE!
I like what Kayla said about killing Kim Jong-Un but I like what wwjd_kilden said also and I think I better go with what wwjd-Kilden said.:)
 

tourist

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I think it is a sin to take someone's life, no matter the situation.

Not saying I am certain I wouldn't do it, if I ended up in war, but I'd still reckon it a sin

and now I will have to hide, because the CC "Everything is acceptable in war" crowd will stone me
Not at all. Everything is not acceptable in war. There is a saying that before every battle God looks the other way.
 

loveme1

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12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.










Read all but for a sample.^^

kill a man but another will come after him of the same spiritual wickedness and take his place...

We abide peacefully until the Harvest being Faithful to our first love.

The Battle is won... Heavenly Father is offering Salvation to those who Repent and believe the Messiah's Testimony...

Remember that the Almighty GOD is above all things.










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I believe fighting in war is sin for people who believe what Jesus said about loving ones enemies.. I might add .. His words are for our times.. In the OT times the policy was different..

My naive friend Adstar, it has not changed since the Age of the Church (32AD) started. Millions upon millions of Christians throughout the ages have been killed because of their belief in Jesus. Remember, ONE pope killed more Christians in one afternoon than all the Romans emperors put together. Not to be outdone, the 20th century saw more Christians killed in the world than all the other centuries put together.

Wars are bad but our God cannot stand sin and if it serves his purpose, people will die.

If your enemy has a gun in his hand pointed in your direction, it is not a good time to be sheepish or meek... Yes, the meek will inherit the earth but God has to get them there first Alive.


 

Desertsrose

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I think it is a sin to take someone's life, no matter the situation.Not saying I am certain I wouldn't do it, if I ended up in war, but I'd still reckon it a sinand now I will have to hide, because the CC "Everything is acceptable in war" crowd will stone me

I understand wwjd,I have a handgun in my nightstand, but as I told hubby, I could never kill anyone with it. Maybe would them in the leg so I could call the police. I don't know that I could even do that, actually.

Jesus said the governing authorities are to keep us in check. It's not ours to make that call or that decision. I think that's why we're told to pray for them.

The ante Nicene church would not allow their members to become a soldier. For those who don't know, they are the Christians before the Catholic church took over, but after the Apostles died out.
 

Bladerunner

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Yes. So we say. The Israelites were people of Peace too. Yet Peace told His people to kill man woman child donkey camel and to destroy all the belongings. Why is that?

Well if it isn't my old friend Denadii again...... WHY indeed...... You rem the story about Noah and how all five of them were perfect.

Why Perfect ????Perfect in DNA!!!!!!...

Yes, this was the reason for the flood, and it seems that Noah and his family was the only ones on earth that were not corrupted by the fallen ones. Oops,,,,,,,I forgot about the Brides the three young sons secured hours before the flood. No they were NOT perfect.

In fact, the two of them had giants come from them.

Now the cities where God told them to destroy all life, was corrupted (like Sodom and Gamorrah). All including the animals were corrupted. Much like to day, we have everybody fiddeling around with the DNA of just about everything to find out its secrets and to make it better. I saw a living mouse with a human ear on its back the other day.

This is why,,,,, and this is also WHY? Jesus warns us "As in the Days of Noah" Mat 24:37. I hate to inform you but we are already here. and there are still giants around the world....last on killed at Kandihar by the millitary after it had eaten a squad of men.

One other point..... everybody says that they (the middle east) has been fighting since the beginning so just let them fight it out...THat point is right but WHY have they been fighting since the beginning of time....Everybody wants what GOD gave Israel. EDEN.
 

loveme1

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Who does want people to go off to war. Only crooked politicians. Nobody else. Still they send you off to war, its not murder as mcubed said above. You can kill to protect or self defense. That is not murder and I agree it is not a thing a sane person would like. But if it needs doing, you do it.

We are taught to be peacemakers.. I personally don't believe a person born of The Holy Spirit would march off to war and kill rather than be killed.
 
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We are taught to be peacemakers.. I personally don't believe a person born of The Holy Spirit would march off to war and kill rather than be killed.
Well you will believe what you will believe. But it does not really line up with the Book.
 

loveme1

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Well you will believe what you will believe. But it does not really line up with the Book.
Please don't say you mean the Bible?

If you are going to use the events of the Old Testament to justify going off to war then you are not a partaker of the New Testament.

All those things came to pass in season and the Children of God are to be peacemakers and not live by the sword.
 
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Please don't say you mean the Bible?

If you are going to use the events of the Old Testament to justify going off to war then you are not a partaker of the New Testament.

All those things came to pass in season and the Children of God are to be peacemakers and not live by the sword.
Since when does the Old Covenant not apply? We are still partakers of the Old Covenant promises, why not the principles too. Because we are not subject to the law does not mean the Old Covenant is not for today. If you believe the Old Covenant does not apply to you maybe you're not a Christian. I am most definitely a partaker of the New Covenant. Both Covenants are mine. Why do you throw one away?

You really should not fight about something you seem to know nothing about. It makes you look foolish.

And of course I mean the bible! The Book! We are people of the Book! Even if you are not.
 

loveme1

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Since when does the Old Covenant not apply? We are still partakers of the Old Covenant promises, why not the principles too. Because we are not subject to the law does not mean the Old Covenant is not for today. If you believe the Old Covenant does not apply to you maybe you're not a Christian. I am most definitely a partaker of the New Covenant. Both Covenants are mine. Why do you throw one away?

You really should not fight about something you seem to know nothing about. It makes you look foolish.

And of course I mean the bible! The Book! We are people of the Book! Even if you are not.

Since the New husband came and the Old died....

The Messiah gives us the New Testament and we are to obey.


Which of us is foolish let GOD decide because I wish not to like for like there.




Luke 9


1And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem, 52And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him. 53And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. 54And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? 55But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. 56For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
 

loveme1

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Matthew 26

51And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear. 52Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. 53Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? 54But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?
 
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Since the New husband came and the Old died....

The Messiah gives us the New Testament and we are to obey.


Which of us is foolish let GOD decide because I wish not to like for like there.




Luke 9


1And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem, 52And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him. 53And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. 54And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? 55But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. 56For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
Yup. That proves my point.
 

Adstar

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If that's true why would you allow men to die protecting you and your country as you hide under your bed? Your father went and put his life on the line for you. Where did you acquire such cowardice?
As if i could order others not to go and do what they have determined to do... And as for your personal denegrating attackes

I believe The Words of Jesus and i am blessed..

(Matthew 5:10-12) "Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. {11} Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. {12} Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you."
 

Adstar

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My naive friend Adstar, it has not changed since the Age of the Church (32AD) started. Millions upon millions of Christians throughout the ages have been killed because of their belief in Jesus. Remember, ONE pope killed more Christians in one afternoon than all the Romans emperors put together. Not to be outdone, the 20th century saw more Christians killed in the world than all the other centuries put together.

Wars are bad but our God cannot stand sin and if it serves his purpose, people will die.

If your enemy has a gun in his hand pointed in your direction, it is not a good time to be sheepish or meek... Yes, the meek will inherit the earth but God has to get them there first Alive.


I am not naive. I know millions have been killed for their belief in Christ. If the LORD wishes for me to die then i will die.. His will be done.. I will not kill others trying to save my live in this faulty body in this faulty existence.. If someone kills me then my blood is on their hands and they shall face the vengeance of God..

The meek will inherit the earth because through the Power of God they will be resurrected from the dead into eternal life to do so..
 
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Is it sin to be a army because you will kill other people for your country. I was thinking about it and i read the story on the bible there is war and they fight for God. I am just getting confused that God said Learn to love your Enemies. It will be a sin or Not?
Its no sin so long you are not invloved in Crimes and treat people in a bad way.