Questions about JW’s

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

tourist

Senior Member
Mar 13, 2014
41,243
16,252
113
69
Tennessee
Yep
His changed bible only works in their circles.

We know too much.

Their victims are ignorant and undiscerning.

A special type of cunning insideousness to dupe their victims
I am wondering if members of JW are free to chose what bible they read and to discard the NWT. Probably not, because it is after all, a cult.
 

Webers.Home

Well-known member
May 28, 2018
5,132
953
113
Oregon
cfbac.org
.
1John 3:9 . . Everyone who has been born from God does not carry on sin,
because His reproductive seed remains in such one, and he cannot practice
sin, because he has been born from God.

FAQ: Does the passage indicate that people who've undergone the birth
spoken of in John 1:11 and John 3:3-12 are divine, i.e. God's progeny, so to
speak?

A: Were that question to be answered with a YES, then it could no longer be
said that the Son of God is God's only begotten.

The Greek word translated "only begotten" in places like John 1:14, John
1:18, and John 3:16 etc, is monogenes (mon-og-en-ace') which always, and
without exception, refers to the only biological child in the home as opposed
to adopted children in the home. If there's more than one biological child in
the home, then none are monogenes.

People who've undergone the birth spoken of in John 1:11 and John 3:3-12
aren't God's biological offspring; they are, in point of fact, creations adopted
into God's home rather than His actual progeny.

2Cor 5:17 . . . If anyone is in union with Christ, he is a new creation

Gal 6:15 . . For neither is circumcision anything nor is uncircumcision, but
a new creation is something.

Eph 2:10 . . . For we are a product of His work and were created in union
with Christ Jesus

Eph 4:24 . .You should put on the new personality which was created
according to God’s will.

Col 3:10 . . Clothe yourselves with the new personality, which through
accurate knowledge is being made new according to the image of the One
who created it.

Gal 4:4-5 . . But when the full limit of the time arrived, God sent forth His
son, who came to be out of a woman and who came to be under law, that he
might release by purchase those under law, that we, in turn, might receive
the adoption as sons.

Eph 1:5 . . . He foreordained us to the adoption through Jesus Christ as
sons to Himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.

Were the beneficiaries of the birth spoken of in John 1:14, John 1:18, and
John 3:16 etc, God's actual progeny they would never sin nor be attracted to
sin. But according to 1John 1:8-10, they sin on a regular basis.

NOTE: Two of the passages above mention being in union with Christ. Well;
that position is restricted to people who've been blessed with the anointing
spoken of in 1John 2:26-27; so rank and file JWs-- the great crowd, viz: the
hewers of wood and haulers of water --should not be thinking of themselves
as new creations adopted into God's home because in Watchtower theology,
the anointing is limited to no more than 144,000 Witnesses.
_
 

Butterflyyy

Well-known member
Oct 31, 2019
1,571
1,293
113
I assume this is directed at me, even if it isn't I'll give a reply and then await the backhanded comment you have the custom of giving my Christian friend.

Firstly the NWT translators do not go around changing scripture just because certain scriptures do not fit into their ideology. Nor have they changed any scripture, rather they translate scripture according to the context and grammar of any given passage, the only time they have added things into scripture is when they insert the divine name YHWH into the NT, but give reasons as to why.

In regards to John 20:28 the text is no more troublesome than 2 Cor 4:4 is troublesome for either you or me. As I have mentioned to you before Jesus is God in a sense, he simply isn't the one God, since the 'one God' is only ever mentioned as being the Father. In 2 Cor 4:4 Satan is called "ho theos" of the world, or better put, "the God" of the world. Does the fact that Satan is "the god of the world" demonstrate he is the 'one God', no. Likewise, does John 20:28 necessitate that Jesus is the 'one God' because Thomas says that he is the 'God of him", no, since Jesus is a God.

As I've made clear to you before, the bible states there are many gods, but to the chsritians, only one God the Father. Jesus is rightly one of these Gods in scripture, as Isaiah 9:6, Hebrews 1:8 and John 20:28 express, he simply is NOT the "one God", since only the Father is ever spoken of a the unique 'one' and only God in the ultimate sense, hence why Jesus said in John 17:3 to the Father that he is "the only ture God". 1 Cor 8:4-6 states, "there is no God but one. 5 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God, the Father.."

Again, other beings are called Gods, Moses is called God (Exo 7:1), Angels are called Gods (Ps 8:5, cp Heb 2:7), Humans are called Gods (Ps 45:6, John 10:34). Beings, when called God, does not necessitate that they are the 'one God', but if other beings can be called God in a sense how much more so can Jesus who has been appointed above all things bar the Father, rightly be called God. The fact remains, despite Jesus being called God, like everyone else who is referred to as God, he is not the 'one God', only the Father is.

(1 Corinthians 15:27, 28) "..For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.."

Insert crude comment below *v*
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one
Deuteronomy 6:4
 
Jul 23, 2018
12,199
2,775
113
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one
Deuteronomy 6:4
Watchtower guy is saying the Father(one God) has many gods under him. (Minor gods lol)
Watchtower guy says Jesus is one of those gods.

They have to be crafty.
Crafty is not of God.