Rapture= false teaching

[miktre]

I think I agree with you .Would you understand a relation ship I Had ,That is between Christ and me? There are Christians all over the World that believe They have Christ in there back pocket.Which one is yous?walt2000 ​

Mine you ask???
You won't find him in my back pocket.
I'm not here to question your relationship with Christ.
Even though one believes, we all come to different levels of truth at different times.
As the days draw nearer, I believe many will be awakened to deeper levels of Truth, not all though.
My relationship with Christ revolves around the Word. If I'm not in the Word I'm not doing too good. Its a daily deal with me. I get away from the Word and I start making bad choices. So I suppose to keep myself sane I must just keep learning, keep searching, keep trying. I don't know if you want to call that love but its the best I can do. I ought to pray more I suppose, but in the Word is where my home is. Sometimes I'll mess things up and every interpretation or commentary I give I know is not perfect, but I'll keep pluggin away. We all can't agree on every single topic and I must make up my own mind of what and what not to believe. I learned things from here and there and kept what I believed to be true and rejected other teachings. I have never met a teacher I agree with 100%. I have seen some great scholarly teachers though and some have different interpretations here and there. So I make up my own mind as to which teachings I believe thw Word of God is trying to teach me.

 

[greatkraw]

Hahaaha thats a real laugher.

I would rather be told what think by the Word of God rather than believe any lies that simply are not there. Thats why we provide scripture

So hows the school thing going? You did not answer? Hope everything is OK.

clearly if a person knows the author of scripturae and has a willingness to think for themselves they will come to the same conclusions about end time events as Hal Lindsay

(I bailed out of the course)

 

[walt2000]

clearly if a person knows the author of scripturae and has a willingness to think for themselves they will come to the same conclusions about end time events as Hal Lindsay

(I bailed out of the course)

Hal is a good Reader But knows not how to interp. Revelation.walt2000​

 

[walt2000]

Hal is a good Reader But knows not how to interp. Revelation​

In fact he is a poor roll model and twists one into thinking the wrong way.The way of the Earth.walt2000

 

[walt2000]

Hal is a watcher of times, He would be just as effective In all the world wars ,Napoleon, 1 st. and 2nd.
wars.walt2000​

 

[zone]

1 thes. 4:13-18 Jesus does not touch down on earth as He does post trib, these are seperate events not a false teaching.

1th 4:13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.1th 4:14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.1th 4:15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.1th 4:16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:1th 4:17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.1th 4:18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.


If you want to go through the tribulation period go ahead, but I am meeting Him in the air as thus saith the Lord

satan's tribulation is NOT GOD'S WRATH.
i wonder why these people aren't spared tribulation? how come they aren't being raptured?
and all the others that have died or suffered for their faith?

Afghan Christians Plead for Help After Execution Call

A group of Afghan Christians living in exile in India have issued an “urgent” plea to the international community to help Christians still living in Afghanistan following the recent call for their execution by a government minister.

The letter was issued earlier in the month by a community of 150 Afghan converts now living as refugees in New Delhi because of the threat to their lives in Afghanistan.
In the letter they urge Christians around the world to speak out against the “egregious injustices” and “blatant human rights violations” taking place against Christians in Afghanistan.

“We left our country because we were sentenced to death on the account of our Christian faith … Christians are called pagans and infidels and are sentenced to death by the Afghan Government. Death penalty is waiting for all those who want to leave the darkness and come to true light, repent from their sins, and put their faith on (sic) the Lord Jesus Christ,” they wrote.

 

[Escalus]

I agree. The bible does not specify that the rapture will come before the tribulation, neither does it specify during or after. What is certain is that it will happen though. It does however say that many Christians will be persecuted. You see, it will be a time of trial for all those in Christ, but television and false prophets would have you believe that Christ is definitely coming before the tribulation. What will happen if he does not? Christians worldwide may lose faith and follow the beast. This is exactly what they would hope you do. Praise God.

 

[VW]

I submit that if one could walk away from Jesus because they suddenly found themselves in the tribulation, that they never were with Him in the first place.

 

[Escalus]

I submit that if one could walk away from Jesus because they suddenly found themselves in the tribulation, that they never were with Him in the first place.

Good point.

 

[forerunner]

1 thes. 4:13-18 Jesus does not touch down on earth as He does post trib, these are seperate events not a false teaching.

1th 4:13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.1th 4:14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.1th 4:15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.1th 4:16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:1th 4:17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.1th 4:18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.


If you want to go through the tribulation period go ahead, but I am meeting Him in the air as thus saith the Lord

Well I see Thaddaeus is banned. However to all those that have been taught as he has. It is odd that a pretrib believer would use this passage of scripture except when they quote verse 16 and 17 alone to try and manipulate the scriptures. However when read in context from 13-18 as Thadaeus does it shows us two clear things
#1 the rapture is at the coming of Christ verse 15 which is after the Tribulation Matthew 24:29-31
#2 this passage is not really about the rapture but the resurrection of the just. The comforting words here in this passage is not that the living will be caught up but that the dead well be raised. The rapture of the living is an after thought at best.

 

[walt2000]

VISION OF IMAGERY EXPLAINED Rev.1/20
CONQUERER OF DEATH-Rev.1/18
VISION OF CHRIST-Rev.1/13
VISION OF SEVEN CHURCHES-Rev.1/11
VISION ON PATMOS-Rev.1/9
VISION OF SECOND COMING-Rev.1/7​

MESSAGE TO THE CHURCHES-Rev.1/4
REVELATIONS OF CHRIST TO JOHN-Rev.1/1​

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[WomanLovesTX]

Are we receiving God's wrath right now before Christ returns? He is loving and gracious, but we are strengthened through the fire, these trials and tribulations. I want to go through with His plan. Whatever that plan is. I believe that post-tribulation is not a delusion, but a witness for the lost, "cause God is patient and He wants all to come to salvation." Now if all the true sheep of Christ are taken away before the tribulation, and is the Holy Spirit removed also. Why would God just let the ungodly go through the tribulation and not His beloved children? We will not feel God's wrath, but we will know His love and grace and miracles. Do you believe God is still in the ministry of miracles? I do and have witnessed His power when all seemed hopeless. Me personally, I would rather go through the tribulation and have my head cut off because God will be greatly magnified. Sure, some will be hardened to the miracles, just as many were in Jesus' ministry here on His first coming. Why should this interim of His return begin with wimps who are only thinking about their own hides?

 

[oopsies]

... it's still going on after... how many months I've been away??

 

[Lifelike]

Who cares?? lol. If we get raptured before, it wont matter to us whats going on on the earth, we will be in glory, and if we are to stay through the tribulation, what difference is that to what we are doing now? I have been going through the fires of hardship for about a decade now, learning to submit to the dealings of God, and becoming more purified and faithful to Him. He has been doing a massive excavation and work inside me, and i reckon that by the time the &%$# hits the fan I'll be prepared to face it because I've already passed the tests in the times of preparation. On the other hand, if we do not allow Him to change us, and conform us to the image of His Son, then when the winds blow and the floods come we will be washed away. Christians in the last of the last days will be a fire and a testament to the Glory and Power of Jesus Christ, and will do exploits, and win battles. Who can stand before the army of the living God? Mmm im preaching myself happy!

 

[VW]

But we do care what happens here, for there are people who will be here that we love, deeply. But even more so, if we know the love of God, and see those who are rejecting His love destroyed, we know His sadness at their destruction. God does not take pleasure in the destruction of a single piece of His creation. He must do as He does, for if He did not, He would not be who and what He is, love.

 

[Lifelike]

Yes but we will have a much larger perspective of what is happening on earth and will be in complete faith, I think if there is a pre trib rapture then when we are raptured we will have entirely differnet concerns than we do at present. We wont be in heaven crying because of whats happening on earth. And yes obviously God wants none to perish, and neither should we.

 

[VW]

Yes but we will have a much larger perspective of what is happening on earth and will be in complete faith, I think if there is a pre trib rapture then when we are raptured we will have entirely differnet concerns than we do at present. We wont be in heaven crying because of whats happening on earth. And yes obviously God wants none to perish, and neither should we.

My question is: "Why don't we start to have those concerns, which are heavenly concerns, now?" Truly, enough time has come and gone for us to already have that mind, which is with Christ seated in the heavenly places. And, oddly enough, when we develop this mind set, which is His mind set, it won't matter to us if there is a pre-trib rapture, mid-trib rapture, post-trib rapture, just that He is coming to receive us unto Himself. And that He work through us to bring grace to as many as who would believe and be saved.

 

[Lifelike]

My question is: "Why don't we start to have those concerns, which are heavenly concerns, now?" Truly, enough time has come and gone for us to already have that mind, which is with Christ seated in the heavenly places. And, oddly enough, when we develop this mind set, which is His mind set, it won't matter to us if there is a pre-trib rapture, mid-trib rapture, post-trib rapture, just that He is coming to receive us unto Himself. And that He work through us to bring grace to as many as who would believe and be saved.

Good question. I think part of it is timing, and it is time. God is purifying His people and it has been a process, but the time is apon us i think, that we are going to enter a much greater obedience and unity with each other and with God and His purpose. And He will be glorified

 

[mpaper345]

There is a resurrection of the saints but it will not happen until the antichrist claims to be God and makes war against the saints which God says this is the patience and faith of the saints.

God will not give up on the world until the world gives up on Him.God will not take His children home until the world gives up on Him.As long as people can repent of their sins God will not take His children home.

When the world takes the mark of the beast and makes war against the saints persecuting the truth God will take His children home.

The Bible says that the saints come back with Jesus when Jesus fights the world at the battle of armageddon so the saints will have to go to be with Jesus first to come back with Jesus.

Matt

 

[blueagle]

Finally, a person of likemindedness. I believe through diligent bible study that the teaching is very clear, the church will be on earth duting the tribulation. If you take Daniel, Revelations and the Olivet discourses in both Matthew and Luke it's crystal clear that Jesus was telling the disciples that "all these things must take place" before the day of the Lord. I think what confuses a lot of modern Christians is that they equate the "Day of the Lord" with the 70th week in Daniel because they believe that it is also the day of the Lord's wrath which they believe they are going to be saved out of (...God has not destined us for wrath"). But what scripture plainly teaches is that Satan will be thrown down to earth, and it is his wrath that will drive the tribulation. The day of the Lord, the Lord's wrath, is the final seven bowls of judgement that will be poured out upon the earth and indeed Christ shall come and rapture us before that day. But Jesus said "count it all joy when you are persecuted for my name's sake". The early church fathers never believed in a pre-trib rapture and they thought it was to begin in their lifetime culminating in being caught up with him. I don't care how people slice and dice it, there are only two comings (parousia's) of Christ. One has passed when he walked on this earth and the next appearing wil;l be in the clouds coming to:
1. Claim His Bride.
2. Judge the anti-chrit and false prophet.
3. Mete out judgement upon those left on the earth that took the mark of the beast.
A. And it also says that unless God cuts those days short there should be no flesh left alive, so even
in his wrath he is mercifull and compassionate.
4. Save (physically) the nation of Israel.
5. To set up the mellenial reign of Christ.
I am so psyched I found people who belive in the truth.

The world is being prepared for the greatest deception in the history of man. The Antichrist is satan himself and he is coming to decieve. He is the son of perdition, meaning he is the only one that has been pre-judged to burn in hell before judgment day, not Judas . He wants to decieve as many as possible before he goes down. Remember, he was the most beautiful angel God had created. He will preform signs and lying wonders(miracles) decieving many. Search out this Truth for yourself, search diligently. Pastor Joe Schimmel from good fight ministries touches on the subject briefly in this video:

YouTube - Paster Joe Schimmel on New Age Christ​

Peace unto you in Jesus Christ​