Rapture Gap
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to the best of my knowledge, riding an African elephant while sipping Oolong tea isn't mentioned (like the "pre-trib rapture") - but you need to prove that the elephant will NOT come along with a tea set.
the rapture is totally false; a complete waste of time....it comes as a result of horrendously wretched dispensationalism. they had to force a way that jews be "an earthly people", leaving them "on earth".
you can say you don't believe that part, but it's the foundation of pretrib. take away its foundation and what do you have? <<--sound doctrine
the rapture is totally false; a complete waste of time....it comes as a result of horrendously wretched dispensationalism. they had to force a way that jews be "an earthly people", leaving them "on earth".
you can say you don't believe that part, but it's the foundation of pretrib. take away its foundation and what do you have? <<--sound doctrine
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Rev.13
Verse 5 states "and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months"
Verse 7 states "And it was given to him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them"
I Thes. 4:15-17 clearly states that some saints will be alive at His return and our gathering together with Him.
I do not use the word "rapture". The Scripture states we will be "gathered together with Him".
So to answer your question "why didn't they go in the rapture?"
The gathering together with Him will not take place until after the events stated in Rev 13 is completed.
If you are going to quote me, please quote me on what I say, not what I don't say. The gathering of the church takes place in a moment. The word used is "atomos" which means "not divide" properly an amount of time too short to divide. The dead will rise first and then those who are still alive will be changed into thier immortal and glorified bodies. The whole event will take place in an "atomos." Following that will be the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which is how God is going to carry out his wrath upon the earth. Seven years after the church has been gathered, shortly after the 7th bowl has been poured out, Jesus will return to the earth to end the age and we and the angels with Him. Therefore, I don't know where you got the idea that I said that the gathering of the church will take several years, when I have always maintained that it takes place in a moment and all at once.
Isaiah 10:6 Against a godless nation I send him, and against the people of my wrath I command him, to take spoil and seize plunder, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.
Romans 9:22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience the objects of wrath that are made for destruction;
The wrath is over. The wrath could have been over in 700BC, but God put it on pause, until Jesus had been lifted up.
It was completed 770 years later.
Why are people still going on about this wrath?
Romans 9:22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience the objects of wrath that are made for destruction;
The wrath is over. The wrath could have been over in 700BC, but God put it on pause, until Jesus had been lifted up.
It was completed 770 years later.
Why are people still going on about this wrath?
The destruction of the temple was not Christ's focus in answering the disciples question, but the signs that would lead up to the Lord's return. To answer your question, the event of the abomination being set up in the holy place as mentioned in Dan.9:27 and Matt.24:15 has not yet taken place. If it had we would have already gone through that last seven years, the millennial period and we would be currently living in the eternal state in the new heaven, new earth and new Jerusalem.
The end of that seven years will user in Christ's return to the earth to end the age, where every eye will see him. Rev.19:11-21 is a detailed account of the Lord's return to end the age and none of those events have taken place. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgment must take place prior to Christ's return to end the age. After the 7th bowl has been poured out, which completes God's wrath, during that time the kings of the earth and their armies will have been gathered in Megiddo for Armageddon, where the Lord will destroy them with that double-edged sword that proceeds from his mouth, which is the word of God. Also at that time, the beast and the false prophet will be captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire. We have seen none of these events, not to mention that we have not seen any of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which come first.
Regarding that last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period, Jesus said that it would be a time of great tribulation such as the world has not seen, from the beginning, until now and never equaled again. And if those days had not been shortened, no one would be left alive on the earth. The "horrific events of 70AD?" the destruction of the temple, pales greatly in comparison to what is described regarding the events of God's wrath and end-time events.
After the church has been gathered, God is going to pick up where He left off, fulfilling that last seven years in fulfillment of the decree that was given to Israel and Jerusalem. And during that same time, God is going to pour out His wrath upon a Christ rejecting world via those seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, with Christ returning at the end.
The end of that seven years will user in Christ's return to the earth to end the age, where every eye will see him. Rev.19:11-21 is a detailed account of the Lord's return to end the age and none of those events have taken place. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgment must take place prior to Christ's return to end the age. After the 7th bowl has been poured out, which completes God's wrath, during that time the kings of the earth and their armies will have been gathered in Megiddo for Armageddon, where the Lord will destroy them with that double-edged sword that proceeds from his mouth, which is the word of God. Also at that time, the beast and the false prophet will be captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire. We have seen none of these events, not to mention that we have not seen any of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, which come first.
Regarding that last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period, Jesus said that it would be a time of great tribulation such as the world has not seen, from the beginning, until now and never equaled again. And if those days had not been shortened, no one would be left alive on the earth. The "horrific events of 70AD?" the destruction of the temple, pales greatly in comparison to what is described regarding the events of God's wrath and end-time events.
After the church has been gathered, God is going to pick up where He left off, fulfilling that last seven years in fulfillment of the decree that was given to Israel and Jerusalem. And during that same time, God is going to pour out His wrath upon a Christ rejecting world via those seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, with Christ returning at the end.
The above is simply incorrect, and a great falsehood.
5 When some were speaking about the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and gifts dedicated to God, he said, 6 “As for these things that you see, the days will come when not one stone will be left upon another; all will be thrown down.”.....
20 “When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. 21 Then those in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those inside the city must leave it, and those out in the country must not enter it; 22 for these are days of vengeance, as a fulfillment of all that is written.
Now we can also bring many other proofs, but it is enough to consider and pray about the information above, for the Bible is rich in information.
One must then ask oneself, if the obvious meaning of Christ is elusive to them at this point,
What is meant by "all that is written" and what is the fulfilment thereof?
5 When some were speaking about the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and gifts dedicated to God, he said, 6 “As for these things that you see, the days will come when not one stone will be left upon another; all will be thrown down.”.....
20 “When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. 21 Then those in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those inside the city must leave it, and those out in the country must not enter it; 22 for these are days of vengeance, as a fulfillment of all that is written.
Now we can also bring many other proofs, but it is enough to consider and pray about the information above, for the Bible is rich in information.
One must then ask oneself, if the obvious meaning of Christ is elusive to them at this point,
What is meant by "all that is written" and what is the fulfilment thereof?
Yes Lady Zone, it is baffling.
Moses' last words were these:
32 Give ear, O heavens, and I will speak;
let the earth hear the words of my mouth.
2 May my teaching drop like the rain,
my speech condense like the dew;
like gentle rain on grass,
like showers on new growth.
3 For I will proclaim the name of the Lord;
ascribe greatness to our God!
4 The Rock, his work is perfect,
and all his ways are just.
A faithful God, without deceit,
just and upright is he;
5 yet his degenerate children have dealt falsely with him,
a perverse and crooked generation.
6 Do you thus repay the Lord,
O foolish and senseless people?
Is not he your father, who created you,
who made you and established you?
7 Remember the days of old,
consider the years long past;
ask your father, and he will inform you;
your elders, and they will tell you.
8 When the Most High apportioned the nations,
when he divided humankind,
he fixed the boundaries of the peoples
according to the number of the gods;
9 the Lord’s own portion was his people,
Jacob his allotted share.
10 He sustained him in a desert land,
in a howling wilderness waste;
he shielded him, cared for him,
guarded him as the apple of his eye.
11 As an eagle stirs up its nest,
and hovers over its young;
as it spreads its wings, takes them up,
and bears them aloft on its pinions,
12 the Lord alone guided him;
no foreign god was with him.
13 He set him atop the heights of the land,
and fed him with produce of the field;
he nursed him with honey from the crags,
with oil from flinty rock;
14 curds from the herd, and milk from the flock,
with fat of lambs and rams;
Bashan bulls and goats,
together with the choicest wheat—
you drank fine wine from the blood of grapes.
15 Jacob ate his fill;
Jeshurun grew fat, and kicked.
You grew fat, bloated, and gorged!
He abandoned God who made him,
and scoffed at the Rock of his salvation.
16 They made him jealous with strange gods,
with abhorrent things they provoked him.
17 They sacrificed to demons, not God,
to deities they had never known,
to new ones recently arrived,
whom your ancestors had not feared.
18 You were unmindful of the Rock that bore you;
you forgot the God who gave you birth.
19 The Lord saw it, and was jealous;
he spurned his sons and daughters.
20 He said: I will hide my face from them,
I will see what their end will be;
for they are a perverse generation,
children in whom there is no faithfulness.
21 They made me jealous with what is no god,
provoked me with their idols.
So I will make them jealous with what is no people,
provoke them with a foolish nation.
22 For a fire is kindled by my anger,
and burns to the depths of Sheol;
it devours the earth and its increase,
and sets on fire the foundations of the mountains.
23 I will heap disasters upon them,
spend my arrows against them:
24 wasting hunger,
burning consumption,
bitter pestilence.
The teeth of beasts I will send against them,
with venom of things crawling in the dust.
25 In the street the sword shall bereave,
and in the chambers terror,
for young man and woman alike,
nursing child and old gray head.
26 I thought to scatter them[j]
and blot out the memory of them from humankind;
27 but I feared provocation by the enemy,
for their adversaries might misunderstand
and say, “Our hand is triumphant;
it was not the Lord who did all this.”
28 They are a nation void of sense;
there is no understanding in them.
29 If they were wise, they would understand this;
they would discern what the end would be.
30 How could one have routed a thousand,
and two put a myriad to flight,
unless their Rock had sold them,
the Lord had given them up?
31 Indeed their rock is not like our Rock;
our enemies are fools.[k]
32 Their vine comes from the vinestock of Sodom,
from the vineyards of Gomorrah;
their grapes are grapes of poison,
their clusters are bitter;
33 their wine is the poison of serpents,
the cruel venom of asps.
34 Is not this laid up in store with me,
sealed up in my treasuries?
35 Vengeance is mine, and recompense,
for the time when their foot shall slip;
because the day of their calamity is at hand,
their doom comes swiftly.
36 Indeed the Lord will vindicate his people,
have compassion on his servants,
when he sees that their power is gone,
neither bond nor free remaining.
37 Then he will say: Where are their gods,
the rock in which they took refuge,
38 who ate the fat of their sacrifices,
and drank the wine of their libations?
Let them rise up and help you,
let them be your protection!
39 See now that I, even I, am he;
there is no god besides me.
I kill and I make alive;
I wound and I heal;
and no one can deliver from my hand.
40 For I lift up my hand to heaven,
and swear: As I live forever,
41 when I whet my flashing sword,
and my hand takes hold on judgment;
I will take vengeance on my adversaries,
and will repay those who hate me.
42 I will make my arrows drunk with blood,
and my sword shall devour flesh—
with the blood of the slain and the captives,
from the long-haired enemy.
43 Praise, O heavens,[l] his people,
worship him, all you gods![m]
For he will avenge the blood of his children,[n]
and take vengeance on his adversaries;
he will repay those who hate him,[o]
and cleanse the land for his people.[p]
Moses' last words were these:
32 Give ear, O heavens, and I will speak;
let the earth hear the words of my mouth.
2 May my teaching drop like the rain,
my speech condense like the dew;
like gentle rain on grass,
like showers on new growth.
3 For I will proclaim the name of the Lord;
ascribe greatness to our God!
4 The Rock, his work is perfect,
and all his ways are just.
A faithful God, without deceit,
just and upright is he;
5 yet his degenerate children have dealt falsely with him,
a perverse and crooked generation.
6 Do you thus repay the Lord,
O foolish and senseless people?
Is not he your father, who created you,
who made you and established you?
7 Remember the days of old,
consider the years long past;
ask your father, and he will inform you;
your elders, and they will tell you.
8 When the Most High apportioned the nations,
when he divided humankind,
he fixed the boundaries of the peoples
according to the number of the gods;
9 the Lord’s own portion was his people,
Jacob his allotted share.
10 He sustained him in a desert land,
in a howling wilderness waste;
he shielded him, cared for him,
guarded him as the apple of his eye.
11 As an eagle stirs up its nest,
and hovers over its young;
as it spreads its wings, takes them up,
and bears them aloft on its pinions,
12 the Lord alone guided him;
no foreign god was with him.
13 He set him atop the heights of the land,
and fed him with produce of the field;
he nursed him with honey from the crags,
with oil from flinty rock;
14 curds from the herd, and milk from the flock,
with fat of lambs and rams;
Bashan bulls and goats,
together with the choicest wheat—
you drank fine wine from the blood of grapes.
15 Jacob ate his fill;
Jeshurun grew fat, and kicked.
You grew fat, bloated, and gorged!
He abandoned God who made him,
and scoffed at the Rock of his salvation.
16 They made him jealous with strange gods,
with abhorrent things they provoked him.
17 They sacrificed to demons, not God,
to deities they had never known,
to new ones recently arrived,
whom your ancestors had not feared.
18 You were unmindful of the Rock that bore you;
you forgot the God who gave you birth.
19 The Lord saw it, and was jealous;
he spurned his sons and daughters.
20 He said: I will hide my face from them,
I will see what their end will be;
for they are a perverse generation,
children in whom there is no faithfulness.
21 They made me jealous with what is no god,
provoked me with their idols.
So I will make them jealous with what is no people,
provoke them with a foolish nation.
22 For a fire is kindled by my anger,
and burns to the depths of Sheol;
it devours the earth and its increase,
and sets on fire the foundations of the mountains.
23 I will heap disasters upon them,
spend my arrows against them:
24 wasting hunger,
burning consumption,
bitter pestilence.
The teeth of beasts I will send against them,
with venom of things crawling in the dust.
25 In the street the sword shall bereave,
and in the chambers terror,
for young man and woman alike,
nursing child and old gray head.
26 I thought to scatter them[j]
and blot out the memory of them from humankind;
27 but I feared provocation by the enemy,
for their adversaries might misunderstand
and say, “Our hand is triumphant;
it was not the Lord who did all this.”
28 They are a nation void of sense;
there is no understanding in them.
29 If they were wise, they would understand this;
they would discern what the end would be.
30 How could one have routed a thousand,
and two put a myriad to flight,
unless their Rock had sold them,
the Lord had given them up?
31 Indeed their rock is not like our Rock;
our enemies are fools.[k]
32 Their vine comes from the vinestock of Sodom,
from the vineyards of Gomorrah;
their grapes are grapes of poison,
their clusters are bitter;
33 their wine is the poison of serpents,
the cruel venom of asps.
34 Is not this laid up in store with me,
sealed up in my treasuries?
35 Vengeance is mine, and recompense,
for the time when their foot shall slip;
because the day of their calamity is at hand,
their doom comes swiftly.
36 Indeed the Lord will vindicate his people,
have compassion on his servants,
when he sees that their power is gone,
neither bond nor free remaining.
37 Then he will say: Where are their gods,
the rock in which they took refuge,
38 who ate the fat of their sacrifices,
and drank the wine of their libations?
Let them rise up and help you,
let them be your protection!
39 See now that I, even I, am he;
there is no god besides me.
I kill and I make alive;
I wound and I heal;
and no one can deliver from my hand.
40 For I lift up my hand to heaven,
and swear: As I live forever,
41 when I whet my flashing sword,
and my hand takes hold on judgment;
I will take vengeance on my adversaries,
and will repay those who hate me.
42 I will make my arrows drunk with blood,
and my sword shall devour flesh—
with the blood of the slain and the captives,
from the long-haired enemy.
43 Praise, O heavens,[l] his people,
worship him, all you gods![m]
For he will avenge the blood of his children,[n]
and take vengeance on his adversaries;
he will repay those who hate him,[o]
and cleanse the land for his people.[p]
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No! I have never said, nor would I ever say that the Christ's appearing for the church takes place over several years. I don't know where you go that idea from. The gathering of the church will include all of those from the on-set of the church until the time when the resurrection takes place. All of those will be resurrected and caught up. Immediately after that, those believers in the church who are still alive, will be changed and caught up. All of this will happen in a brief moment. Then according to John 14:1-3, the Lord will take the entire group back to the Father's house to those dwelling places that he went to prepare for us, that where he is we may be also.
After the church has been gathered and during that last seven years, the male child/144,000 will be caught up to God's throne in the same manner as the living church will have been. After that, the two witnesses, who will have been killed by the beast will be resurrected and be caught up into heaven. And following Christ's return to the earth to end the age, those great tribulation saints who will have died during the great tribulation for keeping the testimony of Jesus and the word of God, will also be resurrected. All of these are stages coming under the banner of the first resurrection.
After the church has been gathered and during that last seven years, the male child/144,000 will be caught up to God's throne in the same manner as the living church will have been. After that, the two witnesses, who will have been killed by the beast will be resurrected and be caught up into heaven. And following Christ's return to the earth to end the age, those great tribulation saints who will have died during the great tribulation for keeping the testimony of Jesus and the word of God, will also be resurrected. All of these are stages coming under the banner of the first resurrection.
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What are you missing? You are reading the my post incorrectly. I said the following:
"As I said in the earlier post, the return that Jesus is speaking of is his return to the earth to end the age, as described in Matt.24:29-31. What it is not referring to is Christ's appearing to gather the church, which takes place over several years prior to his return to the earth."
The gathering of the church takes place over several years prior to his return to end the age. Not seven years in duration, but in point of time. In other words, the gathering of the church takes place several years before the event of Matt.24:29-31
Gathering of the church (1 Thes.4:13-17, 1 Cor.15:51-53)
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Christ returns to the age - (Matt.24:29-31, Rev.19:11-21)
"As I said in the earlier post, the return that Jesus is speaking of is his return to the earth to end the age, as described in Matt.24:29-31. What it is not referring to is Christ's appearing to gather the church, which takes place over several years prior to his return to the earth."
The gathering of the church takes place over several years prior to his return to end the age. Not seven years in duration, but in point of time. In other words, the gathering of the church takes place several years before the event of Matt.24:29-31
Gathering of the church (1 Thes.4:13-17, 1 Cor.15:51-53)
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Christ returns to the age - (Matt.24:29-31, Rev.19:11-21)