Religious bigots and your understanding

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Lanolin

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Could we maybe stick to ONE translation we can all agree on?

Then it wouldnt be confusing
 
The_Watchers_2017

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VARob said:
Sorry, not gonna go back and look for it.

But Paul did not call Jesus Christ "the GREAT GOD."
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so that VERSE is a LIE?

Titus 2:
13 waiting for ... the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us
 
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Lanolin said:
ok well Titus 2:13


Look it up in Bible Hub, only the KJV translation has 'THE great God and our saviour Jesus Christ'

The other translations in English all conflate this verse to 'our great God and saviour Jesus Christ'

Is the KJV wrong?
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it's still saying, GREAT GOD and SAVIOR, isn't it?
 
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Lanolin said:
Could we maybe stick to ONE translation we can all agree on?

Then it wouldnt be confusing
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Jesus says he is one with the father, but according to a scripture so are the saved children.

So what does that prove
 
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Fundaamental said:
Jesus says he is one with the father, but according to a scripture so are the saved children.

So what does that prove
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that when Jesus stands in front of the Mirror, He reflects the Father, and you and i reflect, Adam
 
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VARob said:
That's a new one (to me). Can you explain?
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"Immanuel"

God is with us. This presence covered in flesh does not mean God is a trinity. It is quite simple.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
so that VERSE is a LIE?

Titus 2:
13 waiting for ... the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us
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There are alternate translations that fit with the rest of scripture.
 
Lanolin

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what other translations are people using, maybe they are using too many different translations and end up confusing themselves.

KJV says the great God and our saviour, Jesus Christ

(note the word THE)
the other trnaslations dont say this, just say our great God and saviour Jesus Christ

so some may think theres two different persons here in KJV
and the other translations one

Although elsewehre in KJV Jesus will say 'I and my Father are one'

Maybe people arent reading the whole thing and just picking verses they like? Or going to twenty different 'alternate' translations.
 
The_Watchers_2017

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VARob said:
There are alternate translations that fit with the rest of scripture.
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who cares?

the only portion to judge here is this: of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us

according to that ^ Jesus is our GREAT GOD!

that is the bottom line.
 
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HeIsHere said:
"Immanuel"

God is with us. This presence covered in flesh does not mean God is a trinity. It is quite simple.
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Are you what some people call a Modalist?

(not trying to label you, just want to understand what you believe..)
 
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VARob,

you believe in the Second Coming?

where does it show 2 Gods coming at the Second Coming?

Paul says the God Coming is our GREAT GOD and SAVIOR JESUS.

is Jesus the One doing the Second Coming or Great God and Jesus?
 
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VARob said:
Are you what some people call a Modalist?

(not trying to label you, just want to understand what you believe..)
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I do not think so, I just do not read into scripture. I do not see God as three distinct "persons" God is spirit not persons.
Persons is the work of Tertullian misinterpreted. Tertullian used the word "persona"
Persona became persons over time.
 
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VARob,

you believe in the Second Coming?

where does it show 2 Gods coming at the Second Coming?

Paul says the God Coming is our GREAT GOD and SAVIOR JESUS.

is Jesus the One doing the Second Coming or Great God and Jesus?
 
Lanolin

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what translation is the @The_Watchers_2017 reading?

I think its important.

If you are both reading the SAME translation you'll then both understand the same thing.
 
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VARob said:
God is the Father of Jesus Christ. God, through an act of creation, caused Mary to become pregnant with a man who was the Christ, the Son of God, God's anointed.
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Jesus is called the Son of God because He is God made manifest in the flesh.
 
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