Religious Con-Artists - Can They Fool Well Intentioned Christians?

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Apostol2013

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It is written if a prophet tells you to worship idols believe him not for it is God putting you to a test to see how much you love Him , then He is a false prophet a minister of satan and is to be cast away from the land meaning have nothing to do with Him . If we love God we shall then hate evil . If we love God by faith we shall not argue over 7 sabbath and first sabbath but embrace both days and meet on those days
 

VCO

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Profits for Prophets.
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Jude 1:11 (NKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Woe to them! For they have gone in the way of Cain, have run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.

2 Corinthians 2:17 (NIV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, like men sent from God.

Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 (ASV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] That which hath been is that which shall be; and that which hath been done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Is there a thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been long ago, in the ages which were before us.
 

Reborn

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I saw enough Denominational BIGOTRY growing up to last a lifetime. AND yes, I have grown to have very little tolerance for it.

I'm asking you and yep...who do you expect to change,coming in with guns blazing, that's all?
What's sad is we as Christians feel as though it's our job to point out everybody who has it "wrong", and those who don't do such isn't following God's commands to correct those who don't have "it right"?
This is a walk between we as individuals and God. We hide behind scripture saying "HE WANTS US TO CORRECT EVERYONE and anyone!!!!!!" ....yes, sadly this is taking it way out of scripture context.
But I say goodluck with such teaching tactics, my guess is you will only be met with resistance....which in turn will make you even bolder, colder and more abrasive?

You see, we/some realize WE can't change people and that ONLY God can. Sorry that you can't see that we are not tolerating wrong/apostate beliefs, we are just aware that it's going to happen sometimes.......like it or not.
 

VCO

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If you didnt lie and deceive people with the first post of this thread Idve ignored you.Youre am uninspired bore VCO
The only reason you have "bigotry"is because you are trying to mislead christians on a christian site.
Why dont you do that on a catholic site?
Catholics love lies.

Perhaps they will love your lie that Roman Catholic respect the inspired word of god and forget that the pope changed the 10 commandments because he kinda liked idol worship

How can you change the 10 commandments? He is crazy as is everyone who follows deceiver.The liar.The blasphemy

Sabbath is ALWAYS Saturday, there are no plans to legally change it to Sunday.

We DO NOT Worship on Sunday to Keep the Sabbath, we Worship on Sunday to Celebrate our Risen LORD.

The Apostles were the ones that began Worshiping on Sunday to Celebrate our Risen LORD. I will let you look it up, it will do you some good to spend time in the WORD.

WHY do we not strive to KEEP the Sabbath? The Covenant between GOD and Church is NEW COVENANT that is NOT an improvement of the First Covenant between GOD and ISRAEL. Our NEW Covenant IS A BETTER COVENANT.

Exodus 31:12-17 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses:
[SUP]13 [/SUP] “Tell the Israelites: You must observe My Sabbaths, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, so that you will know that I am Yahweh who sets you apart.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Observe the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Whoever profanes it must be put to death. If anyone does work on it, that person must be cut off from his people.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Work may be done for six days, but on the seventh day there must be a Sabbath of complete rest, dedicated to the LORD. Anyone who does work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] The Israelites must observe the Sabbath, celebrating it throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] It is a sign forever between Me and the Israelites, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, but on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.”

NOTICE: NO WHERE DOES IT SAY IT IS A SIGN BETWEEN GOD AND THE CHURCH. We are NOT Israelites, NOR are we of the First Covenant. AND HERE IS THE BIBLICAL PROOF:


Hebrews 9:11-15 (ASV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But Christ having come a high priest of the good things to come, through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation,
[SUP]12 [/SUP] nor yet through the blood of goats and calves, but through his own blood, entered in once for all into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling them that have been defiled, sanctify unto the cleanness of the flesh:
[SUP]14 [/SUP] how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish unto God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And for this cause he is the mediator of a new covenant, that a death having taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first covenant, they that have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 8:6-7 (ASV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But now hath he obtained a ministry the more excellent, by so much as he is also the mediator of a better covenant, which hath been enacted upon better promises.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For if that first covenant had been faultless, then would no place have been sought for a second.

Hebrews 7:12-19 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For when there is a change of the priesthood,
there must be a change of law as well.

[SUP]13 [/SUP] For the One these things are spoken about belonged to a different tribe. No one from it has served at the altar.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Now it is evident that our Lord came from Judah, and Moses said nothing about that tribe concerning priests.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] And this becomes clearer if another priest like Melchizedek appears,
[SUP]16 [/SUP] who did not become a ⌊priest⌋ based on a legal command concerning physical descent but based on the power of an indestructible life.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For it has been testified: You are a priest forever in the order of Melchizedek.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] So the previous command is annulled because it was weak and unprofitable
[SUP]19 [/SUP] (for the law perfected nothing), but a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.

Did HE give us a WORSHIP COMMAND, in this COVENANT TOO? ABSOLUTELY:

Hebrews 10:24-25 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] And let us be concerned about one another in order to promote love and good works,
[SUP]25 [/SUP] not staying away from our ⌊worship⌋ meetings, as some habitually do, but encouraging each other, and all the more as you see the day drawing near.

Romans 14:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] One person considers one day to be above another day. Someone else considers every day to be the same. Each one must be fully convinced in his own mind.

WE BELIEVE WE CAN WORSHIP HIM ANY AND EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.
My thoughts are DRAWN TO HIM in WORSHIP every day of the week.



You are the one who has been Deceived into thinking you are a real Christian by a False Prophet.


Why do you NOT have the LOVE of GOD in you, all real Christians have it?

Matthew 7:18-20 (ISV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] A good tree can't produce bad fruit, and a rotten tree can't produce good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Every tree not producing good fruit will be cut down and thrown into a fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] So by their fruit you will know them."

Galatians 5:22-25 (ISV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against such things.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified their flesh with its passions and desires.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] If we live by the Spirit, let us also be guided by the Spirit.

SO, where is your GOOD FRUIT? But Oh how you love Conspiracy Theories
that are not supported by the facts. And Oh how you love to hate.


You still have a lot to Learn. Here is the beginning Point:

Mark 2:17 (NKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] When Jesus heard it, He said to them, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance."

John 1:12-13 (NKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP] who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. {Born Again}

Colossians 2:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord {meaning MASTER}, continue to live in Him,

Romans 10:9-11 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess {NOT just profess it}_with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
[SUP]10 [/SUP] for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."

Romans 5:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us. {Born Again}

WHERE IS YOUR LOVE?
 
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VCO

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I'm asking you and yep...who do you expect to change,coming in with guns blazing, that's all?
What's sad is we as Christians feel as though it's our job to point out everybody who has it "wrong", and those who don't do such isn't following God's commands to correct those who don't have "it right"?
This is a walk between we as individuals and God. We hide behind scripture saying "HE WANTS US TO CORRECT EVERYONE and anyone!!!!!!" ....yes, sadly this is taking it way out of scripture context.
But I say goodluck with such teaching tactics, my guess is you will only be met with resistance....which in turn will make you even bolder, colder and more abrasive?

You see, we/some realize WE can't change people and that ONLY God can. Sorry that you can't see that we are not tolerating wrong/apostate beliefs, we are just aware that it's going to happen sometimes.......like it or not.
Reread my first Post, I am not the one that took this thread off track.

I just wanted to point out the dangers of FALSE PROPHETS, because I absolutely believe we are approaching the End, and the even more False Prophets are on the WAY. I love my brethren enough to do all I can to help protect them and warn them about the False Prophets He referred to here:

Matthew 24:24-27 (NASB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] "Behold, I have told you in advance.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] "So if they say to you, 'Behold, He is in the wilderness,' do not go out, or, 'Behold, He is in the inner rooms,' do not believe them.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] "For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.
 
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Agricola

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Problem is all time people are shouting at each other over insignificant theology and dogma the real wolves and conmen will be going along unnoticed.
 

VCO

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Problem is all time people are shouting at each other over insignificant theology and dogma the real wolves and conmen will be going along unnoticed.

Good Point!
 

Reborn

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I just wanted to point out the dangers of FALSE PROPHETS, because I absolutely believe we are approaching the End, and the even more False Prophets are on the WAY. I love my brethren enough to do all I can to help protect them and warn them about the False Prophets He referred to here:
I did.
I understand.
We are in the end times, I completely agree.
Also remember what Jesus said about how people will treat Christianity in the latter days? Apostasy? Turning away from truth?,...doesn't this already describe some of the people already out there? This has to happen, to fulfill His promises.
I just believe that sadly this type of info/thread falls on deaf ears, was all I was saying.
Only thing I feel differently to what you stated, is that the false prophets are and have already been here.
Now things will only get worse up until His return.
God Bless.
 

Apostol2013

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I was pointing out false prophets in the form of churches and denominations teaching falsities and condoning idolatry and filthy living
 

Apostol2013

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And we must be diligent ever faithfull to the word living truth givers of life by living truth bringing blessings upon many by being humbly surrendering before God allowing Him to carry through us that He is glorified through us that only He receives glory and shall all false prophets be thread under foot and justice be established that upmost Elohim be glorified through Christ living in us through charity also known as love
 

Apostol2013

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I did.
I understand.
We are in the end times, I completely agree.
Also remember what Jesus said about how people will treat Christianity in the latter days? Apostasy? Turning away from truth?,...doesn't this already describe some of the people already out there? This has to happen, to fulfill His promises.
I just believe that sadly this type of info/thread falls on deaf ears, was all I was saying.
Only thing I feel differently to what you stated, is that the false prophets are and have already been here.
Now things will only get worse up until His return.
God Bless.
sad but true they have been and continue to come and truly but they are there to deceive and that is their job to counter what Blessings God has for his people like the temple of the golden calves a distorted worship of God and Elohim hates distorted worship he hates idolatry even as to all sin . It is all about charity and love a total submission to his Glory and love as He intended it that we be conformed to the image of His glory
 

Agricola

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One church has a pastor who preaches Pre Trib rapture in another church another pastor preaches mid-trib rapture, which one of these is a false teacher?
 
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If a group can get people to try to "earn" salvation or to deny the need for the Holy Spirit, they can convince people of anything! The "ELECT" cannot be deceived because they know they have been chosen by God and given the Holy Spirit by God that bears witness to the truth of the election.
 

maxwel

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One church has a pastor who preaches Pre Trib rapture in another church another pastor preaches mid-trib rapture, which one of these is a false teacher?
The key thing is that pastors agree on the essentials:
sola scriptura, deity of Christ, salvation by grace through faith, etc.
Most orthodox denominations DO agree on the essentials.

Disagreement in other areas might make you a poor teacher, but not necessarily a "false" one.

We need to be more careful throwing these labels around.
 

VCO

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I did.
I understand.
We are in the end times, I completely agree.
Also remember what Jesus said about how people will treat Christianity in the latter days? Apostasy? Turning away from truth?,...doesn't this already describe some of the people already out there? This has to happen, to fulfill His promises.
I just believe that sadly this type of info/thread falls on deaf ears, was all I was saying.
Only thing I feel differently to what you stated, is that the false prophets are and have already been here.
Now things will only get worse up until His return.
God Bless.
Oh, I could have named a long list of them, but I wanted to show kindness, so I let it go this time with just these statements that implied there currently are MANY False Prophets: "So sadly I must admit, that there are many Christians who can be fooled by Religious Con-Artists." AND "One of the more famous Religious Con-Artists that fooled many into believing his Word of Knowledge gift, with his fake trickery is Peter Popoff."

I will say this much now, the best two books that I have ever read that exposes these False Prophets/Religious Con-Artists AND NAMES THEM; is David Hunt's "The Seduction Of Christianity" and "Beyond the Seduction". Unfortunately I fear we now have the majority of the past two generations who think anything that appears miraculous, has to be of GOD, and they falsely discern that because of the excited feelings these False Prophets generate in the. SINCE WHEN are feelings supposed to be the yardstick for discerning TRUTH. That is not the Biblical Example that we were given:

Acts 17:11 (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

Plato who lived over 300 years before Christ, commented on the EXCITED FEELINGS he felt in the Worship of Zeus: "This divine ecstasy swept over me, and it was as if I had linked up with the gods." And now we have Christians using expressions like, "Oh, I know it was of GOD, because I could feel the Spirit moving. And every time I hear that expression, my heart aches for them, be like Dave Hunt said, "They are setting themselves up to believe the lying wonders."
 

Agricola

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Correct MAxwell, the answer is neither. Problem is many people are all too quick to claim someone is a false teacher based on interpretation of prophecy!

Someone who is a false teacher is someone who will introduce ministry and ideaology into the church claiming it is from God when it is from Satan, these huge lies are missed because it is such a big thing.

One example is Todd Bentley and his so called Fire Ministry, which he claims was given to him by an angel from God, but well it was probably Satan himself. People lap this up, it is exciting, it has a power to make people do stuff, its showmanship and offers lots of promises to make people better people, but of course it is pure satanic spirit and influence. Yet how many thousands lap this up and fall for it? HOw many of these people then post on forums how such and such is a false teacher because they think rapture is not in the period they think it is.

This is before we get on to the cons of asking for money with false empty promise of receiving 100 times back as a blessing for faith seed sown, which has get out clause of "you did not have enough faith" or "you did not pray in right way or with right heart".
 

VCO

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One church has a pastor who preaches Pre Trib rapture in another church another pastor preaches mid-trib rapture, which one of these is a false teacher?
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Since the Bride of Christ is made up of O.T. Saints, Church-age Saints, AND Tribulation Saints; NONE OF THEM IS A FALSE TEACHER.


AND I would have to answer that by saying if they want to enter the Kingdom as Martyred Tribulation Saints, let them; they are welcome to believe that if they want. Like I used to tell the inmates, sure you can cop a macho attitude and say, "I will NEVER take the Mark of the beast." But can you watch them behead your baby daughter, and not take the Mark to save her life?

But as for me and my house, WE EAGERLY AWAIT OUR BRIDEGROOM, and will continue to Watch for Him to Appear to Call Out His Bride at any time, JUST LIKE HE INSTRUCTED US. (By the way, it is NOT A COMING until His FOOT touches the Ground.)

Matthew 25:1-13 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] "Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And at midnight a cry was heard: 'Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!'
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And the foolish said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.'
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But the wise answered, saying, 'No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.'
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open to us!'
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But he answered and said, 'Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.'
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

If we had to go through the Tribulation, WHY did HE instruct his followers to Start WATCHING 2000 years ago? Would not the signing of the Seven Year Peace Treaty with Israel and her Enemies (LIVE ON CNN) be soon enough to start Watching?

We discussed these things IN GREAT DETAIL RECENTLY on my Thread:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/95283-calling-out-bride-go-wedding-lamb.html

Perhaps your question above, can best be answered with the same answer as the heated SABBATH KEEPING issue was answered:

Romans 14:5 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] One person considers one day to be above another day. Someone else considers every day to be the same. Each one must be fully convinced in his own mind.
 

VCO

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Speaking of religious Con-Artists,
Have you heard of Inri Cristo from Brazil?.......

How anyone could believe this guy is Jesus, is beyond my understanding, enjoy the laughs :D.......

[video=youtube_share;vreShJHjxto]http://youtu.be/vreShJHjxto[/video]

YES IT DISCUSSED ME TO SEE THAT GUY TRYING TO PASS HIMSELF OFF AS CHRIST, but it does not surprise me.

We were warned that many False Christs would come:

Matthew 24:22-27 (HCSB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Unless those days were limited, no one would survive. But those days will be limited because of the elect.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] “If anyone tells you then, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Over here!’ do not believe it!
[SUP]24 [/SUP] False messiahs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Take note: I have told you in advance.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] So if they tell you, ‘Look, He’s in the wilderness!’ don’t go out; ‘Look, He’s in the inner rooms!’
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do not believe it.
[SUP]27 [/SUP] For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

*So, did you know that the Jehovah Witnesses, who deny that the body of Jesus ascended {most of them think His body was vaporized}, and then Watchtower Magazine several years ago reported that Jesus has already returned spiritually, and indwells the rooms of the Watchtower publishing house, making sure that what is published there is as accurate as the Word of GOD itself.

From the late 80's on I have, been tracking another False Christ, in Europe, where he has a large following. He calls himself Lord Maitreya, and I documented one of his TV ADs as having said, "Christ is a position, not a person. Two Thousand years ago, Jesus of Nazareth held that position, NOW I DO. You need to forget everything you ever learned about Jesus of Nazareth, and follow ME." He keeps claiming that he is going to go on international TV to do miracles to prove he is the CHRIST.

That is just one of the reasons why I fear for those who think everything miraculous is of GOD.


2 Timothy 3:13-15 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Evil people and impostors will become worse, deceiving and being deceived.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But as for you, continue in what you have learned and firmly believed. You know those who taught you,
[SUP]15 [/SUP] and you know that from childhood you have known the sacred Scriptures, which are able to give you wisdom for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.