Removal Theology not Replacement Theology

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wolfwint said:
Nope, vers 1 says nothing about symbols. This is eisegese. Interpreting something in what is not there.
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So then there is no chain or key of literal serpent to include a thousand literal years among many metaphors. .?

Because some say they are not metaphors used in a parable?

It would seem some remove the unseen gospel understanding hid in that parable.? Why?

Verse 1 of chapter 1 of Revelation informs us he sent it and signified it. What is the signified understanding of Revelation 20? Where is the key ? Catholic say Peter has it? I say its the gospel that bind lying spirits .

I would think if a person is searching for the understanding hid in parables .they would use the tools he has given us to rightly divide.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 
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Jesus said go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel because He was under the law and came to fulfill what needed to be fulfilled. After the resurrection Jesus gave the great commission to go into all the nations. Things change in the Bible all the time
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Malachi 3:6, For I am the LORD, I change not, therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. There is a difference in "the nation of Israel" and the "house of Israel". The house of Israel is Jacob/Israel. God changed Jacob's name to be called no more Jacob, but to be called Israel. Gen 33:28. All Israel (the nation) is not of Israel/Jacob., which includes all of God's elect. The lost sheep (God's children who are new born babes in Christ). are in need of hearing the gospel preached that they may grow to maturity in the knowledge of the truths of the word. God's elect people are scattered into all the nations of the earth.
 
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So you left my point unanswered even though you chose to respond to it. Good one.

BTW all Israel is not Israel' simply refers to the fact that out of the descendents of Abraham --->Isaac--->Jacob, not all have true faith, only a remnant of Jews...those of the elect that God had reserved for Himself. Read on...
Romans 9:7-8 NASB
[7] nor are they all children because they are Abraham's descendants, but: "through ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS WILL BE NAMED." [8] That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.
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There is a difference in the "nation of Israel and Jacob/Israel. Jacob/Israel is a representative of God's elect people, Rom 9:11. All of God's elect will be regenerated. Those that are babes in Christ and lacking in the knowledge of the full gospel are in need of the gospel to be preached to them that they may grow in knowledge thereby. As newborn babes in Christ we are fed with the milk of the gospel until we grow mature enough to digest the meat of the gospel. Most of God's elect never reach maturity. The remnant denotes those elect that have been revealed, by the indwelling Holy Spirit, the full knowledge of the gospel, and are then able to teach it to the babes in Christ.

The children of the flesh are the natural mankind, 1 Cor 2:14, that cannot discern the things of the Spirit, and thinks that it is foolishness. The children of the promise are all of God's elect people.
 
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Dave-L said:
Only those who accept Christ. Why would I rejoice over their hatred of Christ?
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well you are wrong because it is not something we look forward to that any should not behaved. Jesus Does not rejoice in any going to hell.
 
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“And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.” (Acts 11:28)

“THE Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:” (Revelation 1:1)

“And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.” (Revelation 15:1)

“And there appeared a great wonder [sign] in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.” (Revelation 12:1–2)

“And there appeared another wonder [sign] in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.” (Revelation 12:3)

“And he doeth great wonders [signs], so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,” (Revelation 13:13)

“And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles [signs] which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.” (Revelation 13:14)

“For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles [signs], which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.” (Revelation 16:14)

“And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles [signs] before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.” (Revelation 19:20)
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Sign and Symbol are different words and different meanings, so far I know.
So where is used the word Symbol?
 
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well you are wrong because it is not something we look forward to that any should not behaved. Jesus Does not rejoice in any going to hell.
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Hell, the wrath of God that began in the garden is what is being revealed . A living suffering leading to death, according to the letter of the law. In Adam all die.

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Romans 1:18

In dying a person will die. The corrupted body returns to the spiritless dust the clay of the field as well as the corrupted spirit. . . it returns to the Father of all spirit life.

Only the elect are given a new spirit and heart. It will rise on the last day .

Death or corruption as to the letter of the law .It will never rise and condemn to death another entire creation.

The gospel is revealed as it is written (sola scriptura) No oral traditions of men.

So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Romans 1:15-17
 
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well you are wrong because it is not something we look forward to that any should not behaved. Jesus Does not rejoice in any going to hell.
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Why would I rejoice over those who hate Christ most going to hell?
 
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Dave-L said:
Why would I rejoice over those who hate Christ most going to hell?
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that is your Issue Jesus does not hate them and you my friend you be very careful with your hate to anyone.
 
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wolfwint said:
Sign and Symbol are different words and different meanings, so far I know.
So where is used the word Symbol?
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It would seem symbols make up signs not seen shadows of something coming.

No symbol. no sign .Know the symbol, understand the sign.

We can see that in the time period as a parable or called a figure when there were Kings in Israel, a pagan tradition before the reformation.

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Hebrews 9:8- 11

The proper prescription must be applied to show what the sign points to. The Holy Spirt who lovingly commands us to study rightly dividing as a way us seeking His approval has not left us as orphans without the tools needed to hear what the Spirit says to the churches, us.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 
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that is your Issue Jesus does not hate them and you my friend you be very careful with your hate to anyone.
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They hate him and claim Jesus is in hell boiling in excrement today according to their bible, the Talmud.
 
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Dave-L said:
They hate him and claim Jesus is in hell boiling in excrement today according to their bible, the Talmud.
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Well, hate against Jews, is hate against Gods choosen people. You like it ore not.
 
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Dave-L said:
They hate him and claim Jesus is in hell boiling in excrement today according to their bible, the Talmud.
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That’s a select group of people in a nation
your condemning a whole
Nation
 
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garee said:
It would seem symbols make up signs not seen shadows of something coming.

No symbol. no sign .Know the symbol, understand the sign.

We can see that in the time period as a parable or called a figure when there were Kings in Israel, a pagan tradition before the reformation.

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Hebrews 9:8- 11

The proper prescription must be applied to show what the sign points to. The Holy Spirt who lovingly commands us to study rightly dividing as a way us seeking His approval has not left us as orphans without the tools needed to hear what the Spirit says to the churches, us.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
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But you cant use the word Sign as word Symbol without reading in what not is.
Also not for Rev 1,1.;
 
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Dave-L said:
They hate him and claim Jesus is in hell boiling in excrement today according to their bible, the Talmud.
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You have issues an I think you need to go. were done
 
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