Removal Theology not Replacement Theology

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Dave-L said:
It will lead to an argument if I answer, based on your eschatology. I'm just saying numbers in Revelation are symbols not to be taken literally.
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Yes of cource its what the signified language of God does. taking the temporal things seen to give us the unseen eternal spirit understanding. according to the signified presubscription ( 2 Corinthians 4:18)

The Holy Spirit sets it straight right from the beginning of the last book Revelation. .The parable of chapter 20 hides the spiritual understanding from the lost who must walk after what the eyes see. . the literal understanding .(no faith)

Revelation 1:1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

The Holy Spirit teaches us to walk by faith the unseen eternal .Why would we look to number days or people? Jesus said it is not wise.

We know what happened when David was enticed to. Many died.. There is no sign as a wonder that we are to look for. Jesus said it is natural man the evil generation of Adam. . no faith that looks to signs. Prophecy is for those who believe walking by the unseen eternal. The Christ will come on the last day as a thief in the night. In the twinkling of the eye.The former things will not be remembered or ever come to mind.

2 Corinthians 10:11-13 King James Version (KJV)Let such an one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are absent, such will we be also in deed when we are present. For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise. But we will not boast of things without our measure, but according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us, a measure to reach even unto you.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Because since he is calvinist, he can’t be wrong is basically what he said (what he was taught)

I used to be the same way, thinking as a GARBC Baptist. We were the only ones who had truth, Until you break that dependence and stronghold. You prety much think you know it all. And no one is gonna tell you otherwise
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So, do you think the belief system that you now have is absolutely right? I try to stick with the doctrine that more closely harmonizes with all of the scriptures.
 
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wolfwint said:
So, how then in revealition can be mention the 12 tribes by name, (chapter 7) if according your view the church is Israel? This is not fitting.
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The church is made up of God's elect. Jacob is representative of God' elect. Rom 9:11-13. Jacob's name was changed by God to be called no more Jacob, but to be called Israel. Gen 33:28. There is "the nation of Israel", and there is "Jacob/Israel'. Jacob/Israel is the church, made up of God's elect. Rev 5:9, All of the elect's names are written in "the book". The elect include people of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.
 
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Dave-L said:
Removal Theology not Replacement Theology

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Many find fault with those who claim Christendom is biblical Israel. Saying God did not replace Israel with the Church. This is true but it shows a misunderstanding of Israel's true identity.

“Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet [Christ]. You must obey him in everything.. Every person who does not obey that prophet will be destroyed and thus removed from the people [Israel].’” Ac 3:22–23

The church did not replace Israel. The Church is Israel. God removed the unbelievers from Israel and grafted believing gentiles into their place. Romans 11:17.

And, for the sake of the fathers, God reattaches the broken off but only through faith in Christ. For this Paul uses himself as an example, Romans 11:1–5. And as we preach the gospel to all nations until the end of the world Matthew 28:20 all Israel, believing Jew and gentile will be saved Romans 11:26.
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People don't realize that there are two Israel's and they lump all bible verses about Israel into the flesh descendants.
 
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Dave-L said:
The Congregation of the Lord in the OT is the Church. The terms are interchangeable.
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12 tribes.
if 12 tribes was the church all Jewish people were saved
 
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wolfwint said:
So the church are only 144000 people? And who then is mention in rev. 7, 9 ff.
They arent the same as in rev. 7,4-8.
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It’s amazing

2 witnesses (jewish)
144000 missionaries sent by God. (Jewish)
numerous martyres who are a testimony to all (jew and gentile)

the result, a massive rvival where so many are saved and this is during great tribulation.

a credit to what happens when God is behind it.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Dave-L said:
It will lead to an argument if I answer, based on your eschatology. I'm just saying numbers in Revelation are symbols not to be taken literally.
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Lolol

your arguing now by not answering.

what it will lead to is discussion
 
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Dave-L said:
John begins Revelation saying it is symbolic.
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John begins revelation by saying he is going to write down events God said would take place.

he did not use the word symbol
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
So, do you think the belief system that you now have is absolutely right? I try to stick with the doctrine that more closely harmonizes with all of the scriptures.
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I do not think any church has 100 percent knowledge,

everyone Says they stick with the church that sticks closely with scripture

they can’t all be right
 
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wolfwint said:
I dont deny that there are used symbols in revealation. But where it is written that all revealation is symbol? And all numbers are symbol.
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No different than daniel, he used symbols to represent literal events.
 
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Dave-L said:
You miss out on lots of scripture failing to recognise the Church in the OT.
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You miss out on a lot of knowledge by misrepresenting the OT
 
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KJV1611 said:
People don't realize that there are two Israel's and they lump all bible verses about Israel into the flesh descendants.
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Nope this is not true, we do not lump all verse

you sir again are bearing false witness.

and teaching newbie her it’s ok todo the same

shame on you
 
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