Repentance: A Necessity for Salvation

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loveme1

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Actually, God repented (changed His mind) 28 times in the Bible. He never once felt bad for having sinned, nor did He ever have to turn from His sins.

I'm not sure if you are saying GOD sinned? Turn from His sin?

You do know we bring evil upon ourselves in disobedience to GOD.

If you are told not to do something and yet do it.. the consequence is due.

like the wage of sin being death... but GOD be thanked for our Messiah's Testimony that we can be reconciled.

GOD is Merciful and Just.
 

Magenta

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I'm not sure if you are saying GOD sinned? Turn from His sin?
Willie said God changed His mind, and then the OP relayed the information that in the case of God, the word should be relented. Either way, it does not in any way mean that God sinned :)
 
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I'm not sure if you are saying GOD sinned? Turn from His sin?

You do know we bring evil upon ourselves in disobedience to GOD.

If you are told not to do something and yet do it.. the consequence is due.

like the wage of sin being death... but GOD be thanked for our Messiah's Testimony that we can be reconciled.

GOD is Merciful and Just.
Frankly, this is a bit insulting. Don't you read what is actually typed?
 

unobtrusive

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Actually, God repented (changed His mind) 28 times in the Bible. He never once felt bad for having sinned, nor did He ever have to turn from His sins.
I agree that God never had to turn from sin because He doesn't sin at all, and never will. Nevertheless, He doesn't change His mind either. Total perfection doesn't need to do that.

I'm not sure if you are saying GOD sinned? Turn from His sin?

You do know we bring evil upon ourselves in disobedience to GOD.

If you are told not to do something and yet do it.. the consequence is due.

like the wage of sin being death... but GOD be thanked for our Messiah's Testimony that we can be reconciled.

GOD is Merciful and Just.
I think I understand what you are trying to say loveme1.
God Almighty doesn't repent such as we should in Christ. When God has a repented heart, that means He is extremely disappointed. There is a big difference between (נָחַם and שׁוּב) I'll explain to the best of my capability.

Repented is the same Hebrew word translated to English as "comfort," like in this verse. "And Ephraim their father mourned many days, and his brethren came to comfort (נָחַם) him.
( 1 Chronicles 7:22)
"And it repented (נָחַם) (saddened) the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." (Genesis 6:6)

נָחַם (translated repented) nâcham, naw-kham'; a primitive root; properly, to sigh, i.e. breathe strongly; by implication, to be sorry, i.e. (in a favourable sense) to pity, console or (reflexively) rue; or (unfavourably) to avenge (oneself):—comfort (self), ease (one's self), repent(-er,-ing, self).

Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord God. Repent, (שׁוּב) and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin. (Ezekiel 18:30)

שׁוּב shûwb, shoob; a primitive root; to turn back (hence, away) transitively or intransitively, literally or figuratively (not necessarily with the idea of return to the starting point); generally to retreat; often adverbial, again:

The Bible states clearly that God doesn't change His mind or tell Himself "I've changed my mind because that didn’t work so I'm gonna try something else that might work."

"For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed."





 
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notuptome

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How can repentance be an inescapable outcome of the new birth, when the new birth is a result of repentance, following which sinners receive the gift of the Holy Ghost? So in fact, the new birth is the outcome of repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21). One cannot be born again unless the Holy Spirit enters the soul of the sinner (Titus 3:4-7). The order is always repentance first, then remission of sins, then receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit.

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47)

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost
(Acts 2:38)

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord (Acts 3:19)


If repentance is by the will of man then it is not repentance but a feeble attempt of self redemption. If redemption is wrought in the heart by God then it is the work of grace and is eternal.

Who is working in the heart you or God?

For the cause of Christ
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Nehemiah6

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If repentance is by the will of man then it is not repentance but a feeble attempt of self redemption...
So what you are telling us is that the 3,000 souls who got saved on the Day of Pentecost were indulging in "self-redemption"? That's what happens when people ignore Scripture and go by man-made doctrines. Just go and study Acts chapters 2 and 3.
 

notuptome

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So what you are telling us is that the 3,000 souls who got saved on the Day of Pentecost were indulging in "self-redemption"? That's what happens when people ignore Scripture and go by man-made doctrines. Just go and study Acts chapters 2 and 3.
Classic response to a post you cannot comprehend. Attack posts are of no value against biblical truth. Jesus warned that pigs would return to the mire and dogs to their vomit yet you contend that man can repent.

Apart from the action of the Holy Spirit you can do nothing of eternal value. The new heart in the new man created at the moment of salvation is all and only a work of God.

The natural mind is always against God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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God definitely is the author of repentance.

Acts 11:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life."

Romans 2:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

2 Timothy 2:25 (NASB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth,
 

Nehemiah6

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God definitely is the author of repentance.
The issue is "How does God grant repentance?" and the answer is (1) through the preaching of the Gospel and (2) by the convicting and convincing of the Holy Spirit. Since Acts chapter two has been referred to already, let's see how God grants repentance. And since God commands ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT (Acts 17:30) it should be crystal clear that God would grant repentance to every human being if all would believe the Gospel.

THE GOSPEL PREACHED
Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:... Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it... This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear... Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

SINNERS CONVICTED
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

REPENTANCE TO PRECEDE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

REPENTANCE GRANTED AFTER BELIEVING THE GOSPEL
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
 
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Zmouth

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NO sir, you place a version/translation above Jesus Christ...the Book has become your savior not the man...
Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. 2 Cor 5:16

Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Gal 3:3

Repentance: A Necessity for Salvation
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Rom 11:29
 

Jackson123

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God definitely is the author of repentance.

Acts 11:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life."

Romans 2:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

2 Timothy 2:25 (NASB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth,
why God granted repent to A and not B, must be a qualification that we do not know.

all we know God is just and not indiscriminate. We do not understand how It work, but I have a faith in His justice
 
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The preaching of the Gospel is incomplete unless the necessity of repentance for salvation is clearly proclaimed. Yet there are few preachers who are preaching repentance today, which means that an incomplete Gospel is being proclaimed. That is a serious issue.

When we study the earthly ministry of Christ, we note that the first word out of His mouth was “REPENT” (Matthew 4:17):
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

That word in the Greek text is μετανοεῖτε (metanoeite), from metanoeo, and while it literally means a change of mind, Thayer’s Lexicon explains it properly and correctly according to Scripture: “to change one's mind for the better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sin”.

It should also be noted that when John the Baptizer – the forerunner of the Messiah – began his ministry, he too emphasized the necessity of repentance. In fact, his baptism was a baptism for repentance, and he said exactly the same thing that Jesus said (Matthew 3:1,2):
In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Given the fact that this was a key component of the Gospel for the Son of God, how is it that preachers today simply ignore this aspect of the Gospel? The only explanation is that too many men are fearful of preaching the truth, and are controlled by the fear of man. And as Scripture says
“The fear of man bringeth a snare, but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe” (Proverbs 29:25). And ultimately Satan is the instigator of all fears.

The apostle Paul (originally Saul of Tarsus) is one of the clearest examples of repentance in Scripture. He was an extremely zealous Pharisee whose chief aim in life was to destroy Christians and shut down the preaching of the Gospel (Acts 8:1-3; 9:1,2):

And Saul was consenting unto his [Stephen’s] death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles. And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him. As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison... And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

However, he met the Lord Jesus Christ in all His glory on the road to Damascus, and had no choice except to repent. This change of mind was initially indicated by Saul calling Jesus “Lord”, but the proof of his repentance and conversion is that within days of being confronted by the glorified Savior, he began preaching the Gospel! His sins had been forgiven and he had become a new creature in Christ.

And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus. And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God. But all that heard him were amazed, and said; Is not this he that destroyed them which called on this name in Jerusalem, and came hither for that intent, that he might bring them bound unto the chief priests? But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ. (Acts 9:19-22).

***You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Nehemiah6 again.***
 
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If repentance is by the will of man then it is not repentance but a feeble attempt of self redemption. If redemption is wrought in the heart by God then it is the work of grace and is eternal.

Who is working in the heart you or God?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
How sad it is that someone would state such a foolish thing, that man repents on his own!

It's the Holy Spirit's work to draw men unto repentance & lead the way to repentance.

NOTHING is done on our own.

 
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If God is the one granting repentance and no man can repent of his own, we are either consistent in our position and are Reformed (calvinist, doctrines of Grace, whatever you wish to call it) or we are inconsistent and claim free will while no-one can actually repent.
Even though I am not a calvinist myself, I have to give credit where credit is due, they are consistent in their position. They will probably disagree with me on this, but I consider them brothers in Christ, I was born into a Lutheran church, and to me they are somewhere in the middle in their view regarding predestination.

I personally hold to the ancient and orthodox position that man can repent, and is commanded by God to repent, and God has given us that ability, otherwise He would not ask that of us. We work together with God by faith working through love.
The church fathers also held this position, and to my knowledge so does the orthodox church still today.

And yes, repentance is necessary for salvation, you need to turn from your false gods to the true God, change your mind so to speak.
The issue comes in when people use the word repent and mean different things, so there is confusion on both sides of the arguments.

Whatever position you hold, try to have a meaningful and respectful discussion about it while keeping the slander and "you are not even saved" out of the conversation, this way you can clarify your own position and maybe learn something new about the other position. The reformed are probably the most misunderstood.
 
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2 Corinthians 7:10
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
 
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How sad it is that someone would state such a foolish thing, that man repents on his own!

It's the Holy Spirit's work to draw men unto repentance & lead the way to repentance.

NOTHING is done on our own.
Once in a while you get it right. Here you do. Now, if only you could carry over this truth into our eternal salvation, which can never be revoked, you'd do well.
 
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Are you saying God changes our mind (repent) for us?

If repentance is by the will of man then it is not repentance but a feeble attempt of self redemption. If redemption is wrought in the heart by God then it is the work of grace and is eternal.

Who is working in the heart you or God?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Nehemiah6

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If God is the one granting repentance and no man can repent of his own...
We should always be aware that in the matter of salvation, God the Holy Spirit is always convicting and convincing sinners while the Gospel is preached, read, or brought to mind. So there is indeed action on BOTH the part of God and the part of man. In that sense "no man can repent on his own", but at the same time it is not God who is doing the repenting but the sinner. What this really means (in terms of God granting repentance) is that the sinner turns from his sin and evil to God, and God grants the remission of sins. Please note:

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47).
 
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God definitely is the author of repentance.

Acts 11:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life."

Romans 2:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

2 Timothy 2:25 (NASB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth,
Yes, but only the "godly sorrow" version, not the "I change my mind" version.