Repentance is the Gift Of God !

[Scribe]

I have given you enough verses, it doesnt help you.

I am guessing that you are trying to say that people cannot repent unless God makes them repentant. I would have to agree if that is what you are saying.

If you are saying that repentance does not include remorse and is only a change of mind this is not correct. The Greek word for repentance used so often in the New Testament metánoia means contrition, sorrow for sin and commitment to change. Those teachers who say it only means to change the mind are either ignorant or liars. I know of some of the Free Grace Theology authors of books on that theology started by Zane Hodges and repeated by others, who have given Greek Lexicon references to support their definition that it means change of mind but when you look up the articles from the Greek books they specifically emphatically state that it means contrition and sorrow and not just change of mind. This makes me think those authors were devils. They lied. They hoped the readers would just believe them.

Now we have many people going about saying that repent just means change of mind but they are wrong.

As to the meaning of Acts 11:18 it is obvious from the context.

18When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

God has granted repentance to the Gentiles also. I understand Peter's point. Why turn it into something he was not intending to say?

 

[brightfame52]

That's what calvinism needs to prove itself. It has no verses that actually say what any of the main points teach ..That should trouble you . I have no problem with anything about Calvinism apart from it is not scriptural. I couldn't care less about ' fairness arguments, or if its hard to swallow . if it was what the scriptures said I'd believe it.

You pawn off scripture truth by calling it calvinism. Not wise

 

[brightfame52]

I am guessing that you are trying to say that people cannot repent unless God makes them repentant. I would have to agree if that is what you are saying.

If you are saying that repentance does not include remorse and is only a change of mind this is not correct. The Greek word for repentance used so often in the New Testament metánoia means contrition, sorrow for sin and commitment to change. Those teachers who say it only means to change the mind are either ignorant or liars. I know of some of the Free Grace Theology authors of books on that theology started by Zane Hodges and repeated by others, who have given Greek Lexicon references to support their definition that it means change of mind but when you look up the articles from the Greek books they specifically emphatically state that it means contrition and sorrow and not just change of mind. This makes me think those authors were devils. They lied. They hoped the readers would just believe them.

Now we have many people going about saying that repent just means change of mind but they are wrong.

As to the meaning of Acts 11:18 it is obvious from the context.

18When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

God has granted repentance to the Gentiles also. I understand Peter's point. Why turn it into something he was not intending to say?

Man must be given repentance, otherwise man naturally, his mind mis at enmity against God and not subject to God Rom 8:7

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

 

[1ofthem]

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Aint no can about it, it does result in the giving of repentance and forgiveness of sins. Everyone Christ died for, His Elect, are forgiven, and shall be caused to repent.

Well according to scripture, Christ died for everyone, all men, and the whole world. Not all will repent and be saved, though. So it is apparent God is not forcing people to repent, but he does extend the offer to everyone. It is a gift that we have a chance to repent.

 

[1ofthem]

You pawn off scripture truth by calling it calvinism. Not wise

I've saw people twist and turn the scripture many ways to try to support Calvinism. However, I have never saw any scriptural truth that upholds Calvinism. It's just not there. It is unwise to suggest otherwise.

 

[Scribe]

Well according to scripture, Christ died for everyone, all men, and the whole world. Not all will repent and be saved, though. So it is apparent God is not forcing people to repent, but he does extend the offer to everyone. It is a gift that we have a chance to repent.

Yes. this verse...
18When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
Means that God has made repentance unto life available to all Gentiles. And I would agree that those who do repent owe it to God that they did so I am not sure what the discussion is about. Every Christian who has repented thanks God that He worked on their heart to bring them to repentance. Is this a revelation to anyone?

 

[throughfaith]

You pawn off scripture truth by calling it calvinism. Not wise

Then follow the right JC .

 

[1ofthem]

Folks quit trying to

Yes. this verse...
18When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
Means that God has made repentance unto life available to all Gentiles. And I would agree that those who do repent owe it to God that they did so I am not sure what the discussion is about. Every Christian who has repented thanks God that He worked on their heart to bring them to repentance. Is this a revelation to anyone?

I agree, I think that everyone (Calvinist or non-Calvinist) would agree that God is the one that offers repentance and works on our hearts to bring us to repentance.

I think where the confusion or disagreement comes from is that some say that God forces repentance on some people or even does the believing and repenting for them so that they can't refuse. However, they think there are others who he doesn't even give a chance at repentance.

This may not be what the thread is about, though. I just jumped in on the last part so I should probably go back and read it from the start before jumping to conclusions....lol

 

[Scribe]

I agree, I think that everyone (Calvinist or non-Calvinist) would agree that God is the one that offers repentance and works on our hearts to bring us to repentance.

I think where the confusion or disagreement comes from is that some say that God forces repentance on some people or even does the believing and repenting for them so that they can't refuse. However, they think there are others who he doesn't even give a chance at repentance.

This may not be what the thread is about, though. I just jumped in on the last part so I should probably go back and read it from the start before jumping to conclusions....lol

Yes it is probably a "God grants some and not others" supposition.

It is always about choices we make. We have all been granted a conscience. As we grow up we learn to harden against the fear of God. Each time we choose to ignore the conscience that convicts us of wrong doing we get harder. God will give a person over to a hardened heart and if the person gets belligerent toward God and moral values he will be given a hard heart as judgment so that he can be destroyed without remedy. But it always starts with choices people make. That is what I read in scripture and no to be in real life examples.

It is logical and not hard to understand. And it is fair. God have never created a person to be destined to hell with no option to repent of their sins. They choose to harden their heart when God moved on their hearts. This does not mean God failed as philosophers try to suggest. God is sovereign over Himself and he does not force people to repent.

 

[NOV25]

2 Corinthians 4
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

 

[brightfame52]

Well according to scripture, Christ died for everyone, all men, and the whole world. Not all will repent and be saved, though. So it is apparent God is not forcing people to repent, but he does extend the offer to everyone. It is a gift that we have a chance to repent.

No Christ didnt die for everyone. Those He died for He gives repentance and forgiveness of sins Acts 5:31

 

[brightfame52]

I've saw people twist and turn the scripture many ways to try to support Calvinism. However, I have never saw any scriptural truth that upholds Calvinism. It's just not there. It is unwise to suggest otherwise.

You dismiss scripture in the name of calvinism, not good friend

 

[brightfame52]

Then follow the right JC .

You will be judged for that friend. Whenever you dont like what the bible teaches, you just dismiss it and call it calvinism.

 

[throughfaith]

You will be judged for that friend. Whenever you dont like what the bible teaches, you just dismiss it and call it calvinism.

Nope , I know Calvinism when I see it . The bible is something different to Calvinism.

 

[1ofthem]

No Christ didnt die for everyone. Those He died for He gives repentance and forgiveness of sins Acts 5:31

Sorry but that statement false. You might want to read all the scriptures as a whole instead of just pulling out one or two out of context go to verses.

 

[1ofthem]

You dismiss scripture in the name of calvinism, not good friend

I'm not dismissing any scripture. I read it all and take in the whole message. I can't in good conscience follow along with a man made doctrine that uses one or two out of context verses to support it....That's just not how it works, my friend.

 

[1ofthem]

No Christ didnt die for everyone. Those He died for He gives repentance and forgiveness of sins Acts 5:31

Here is Acts 5:31 that you referenced. It says nothing like what you are suggesting.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Why did you leave out the very next verse? Acts 5:32
32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Pay close attention to the bolded part of that verse. What do you think that means... the Holy Ghost is given to those that obey him?

 

[1ofthem]

What do we need to obey? What do we need to do to be saved?

Acts 16:30-31

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

And this explains it a little further:

Romans 10
8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

 

[notuptome]

What do we need to obey? What do we need to do to be saved?

Acts 16:30-31

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

And this explains it a little further:

Romans 10
8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

The same faith that gives us salvation by grace in Christ produces repentance.

One cannot claim to have given all to Christ and trusted Him to forgive and save them while they continue to openly live in sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry but that statement false. You might want to read all the scriptures as a whole instead of just pulling out one or two out of context go to verses.

Every verse is sacred and instructive, you just making a excuse to not accept a scripture truth, i see it all the time. Then the next thing i see is the same person quoting a scripture from a context to support their view, its so hypocritical.